Serious question about anti-Semitism.

[Navarro]

Has anyone else made the connection with the Business Plot of the 1930s and what's going on now?

Presuming the Business Plot was real in the first place. The person who claimed to be the whistleblower was already known as a communist sympathiser at the time - hard to imagine any real conspiracy would seek to draw him in - and the HUAC in its report noted that no hard evidence of such a plan existed. At most, it was likely an attempt at influence peddling which was ginned up by Butler to criticise his rivals.

Now, communism is all the rage, and again, it seems like big businesses and the super-rich are the ones pushing it. I also can't help but notice that they are pushing their ideal as people who would be very weak, and are not really "workers" in the same sense as actual communist regimes would have seen them. Kind of makes me want to respond to the typical "that wasn't real communism" from this crowd with, "no, you aren't real communists."

What we're seeing rn with the woke and all is a kind of ethnocommunism IMO.

 

[LordsFire]

To be fair, a lot of people on the Right act like 'just pulling yourself up by your bootstraps' can fix pretty much any issue a person faces.

The truth is both views are wrong, and only exist for virtue signalling purposes.

There is a limit to how much personal drive or commitment can accomplish if the system you are operating in is stacked against you.

Yes. Actual Conservatives have always known that there are practical limitations on how far you're going to get. However, we also consider 'manager at a restaurant,' 'skilled craftsman,' or 'average white-collar worker' to be perfectly acceptable careers to have, and 99% of people can go that far.

You're coming across (again) as still holding onto the image of Conservatives created by leftist propaganda, rather than understanding conservatism on its own terms.

 

[Bacle]

Yes. Actual Conservatives have always known that there are practical limitations on how far you're going to get. However, we also consider 'manager at a restaurant,' 'skilled craftsman,' or 'average white-collar worker' to be perfectly acceptable careers to have, and 99% of people can go that far.

You're coming across (again) as still holding onto the image of Conservatives created by leftist propaganda, rather than understanding conservatism on its own terms.

And I never said there was anything wrong with those jobs, you made that assumption yourself.

What I was trying to point out is that the 'Blame the system' and the 'Pull yourself up by your bootstraps' views are both wrong and missing a lot of nuance.

 

[Navarro]

Yes. Actual Conservatives have always known that there are practical limitations on how far you're going to get. However, we also consider 'manager at a restaurant,' 'skilled craftsman,' or 'average white-collar worker' to be perfectly acceptable careers to have, and 99% of people can go that far.

I mean, there's a big leftist sub on Reddit literally called "r/antiwork" so expecting these clowns to be satisfied with any job that's not "Politburo member" is a lost cause.

 

[Cherico]

I mean, there's a big leftist sub on Reddit literally called "r/antiwork" so expecting these clowns to be satisfied with any job that's not "Politburo member" is a lost cause.

if you dont make stuff there wont be stuff.

 

[King Arts]

Yes. Actual Conservatives have always known that there are practical limitations on how far you're going to get. However, we also consider 'manager at a restaurant,' 'skilled craftsman,' or 'average white-collar worker' to be perfectly acceptable careers to have, and 99% of people can go that far.

You're coming across (again) as still holding onto the image of Conservatives created by leftist propaganda, rather than understanding conservatism on its own terms.

That’s not exactly true though. Like until we get intelligent robots there will still be a need for janitors and trash men to do the dirty jobs. Someone has to do it.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I mean, there's a big leftist sub on Reddit literally called "r/antiwork" so expecting these clowns to be satisfied with any job that's not "Politburo member" is a lost cause.

Them thinking trade bros are below the poverty line still never ceases to amaze me.

I think I know more six figure earners with no debt that are skilled than I know so called professionals in the same bracket. Turns out if you work a profession where the risk is high so too can the reward be.

@Guy of Z and I used to debate some idiot who worked for DARPA who would complain endlessly because the small business owners in our discord had more money than her even though some of us built the labs her dumbass worked in and took all the risk of bodily harm associated with handling explosives and the like.

"Well if you didn't wanna bleed to earn you should have been smarter in school! Only degree holders should ever make that kind of money!"

The absolute state of the Egghead class.

...Also its offensive that my tax dollars go to that fools salary.

 

[Zachowon]

Them thinking trade bros are below the poverty line still never ceases to amaze me.

I think I know more six figure earners with no debt that are skilled than I know so called professionals in the same bracket. Turns out if you work a profession where the risk is high so too can the reward be.

@Guy of Z and I used to debate some idiot who worked for DARPA who would complain endlessly because the small business owners in our discord had more money than her even though some of us built the labs her dumbass worked in and took all the risk of bodily harm associated with handling explosives and the like.

"Well if you didn't wanna bleed to earn you dhould have been smarter in school! Only degree holders should ever make that kind of money!"

The absolute state of the Egghead class.

...Also its offensive that my tax dollars go to that fools salary.

Trade jobs are the easiest way to get a good job these days

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Trade jobs are the easiest way to get a good job these days

They're the easiest to get a career and stability. You can earn more than the average trade bro if you work 6 different gigs while also holding down a salaried job but who knows how long those gigs will hold out or how long your salaried job will last before you have to look for another company to work for.

The age of a career man with a college degree is over and it.makes sense that it is over since it was a historical anomaly that had more to do with the psychology of baby boomers who learned the wrong lessons from their GI Bill availing parents.

Trade bros and merchants or landlords being the easiest way of stability and upward mobility is merely a return to form for the species.

The only other consistent vehicle is to work for the state and even then only within its bureaucracy. And while that was cheered in Asia it was ways looked down upon in the west and for good reason.

 

[sir_fire]

Them thinking trade bros are below the poverty line still never ceases to amaze me.

I think I know more six figure earners with no debt that are skilled than I know so called professionals in the same bracket. Turns out if you work a profession where the risk is high so too can the reward be.

In the first world perhaps.

 

[Navarro]

That’s not exactly true though. Like until we get intelligent robots there will still be a need for janitors and trash men to do the dirty jobs. Someone has to do it.

Even if such things are possible; making, buying, powering and maintaining/replacing a sentient cleaner robot will always be more expensive than paying a janitor or maid.

 

[Cherico]

Them thinking trade bros are below the poverty line still never ceases to amaze me.

I think I know more six figure earners with no debt that are skilled than I know so called professionals in the same bracket. Turns out if you work a profession where the risk is high so too can the reward be.

@Guy of Z and I used to debate some idiot who worked for DARPA who would complain endlessly because the small business owners in our discord had more money than her even though some of us built the labs her dumbass worked in and took all the risk of bodily harm associated with handling explosives and the like.

"Well if you didn't wanna bleed to earn you should have been smarter in school! Only degree holders should ever make that kind of money!"

The absolute state of the Egghead class.

...Also its offensive that my tax dollars go to that fools salary.

The problem with a lot of intelectuals is two things.

1. there is a tendency to think their knowlege of one thing is fungible to all other things.

2. They think they should be in charge.

 

[Robovski]

The problem with a lot of intelectuals is two things.

1. there is a tendency to think their knowlege of one thing is fungible to all other things.

2. They should be in charge.

3. They think they aren't adequately compensated for said knowledge.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

The problem with a lot of intelectuals is two things.

1. there is a tendency to think their knowlege of one thing is fungible to all other things.

2. They think they should be in charge.

I call this "Smart-dumb" and "Wannabe king syndrome"

It's also why I tend to dismiss most people with Doctorates unless its in a field I know isn't pozzed.

except the law, my opinion is that lawyers are responsible for 25% of all societal ills and that the country worked better when the law was treated as a trade and you could become one via an apprenticeship.

3. They think they aren't adequately compensated for said knowledge.

They're over compensated.

Going back to the thread...They're the reason why its hard to even have this conversation in the first place.

 

[Cherico]

I call this "Smart-dumb" and "Wannabe king syndrome"

It's also why I tend to dismiss most people with Doctorates unless its in a field I know isn't pozzed.

except the law, my opinion is that lawyers are responsible for 25% of all societal ills and that the country worked better when the law was treated as a trade and you could become one via an apprenticeship.



They're over compensated.

Going back to the thread...They're the reason why its hard to even have this conversation in the first place.

The pay they get is just the official stuff.

I worked in academia there is a huge embezzelment problem that does not get talked about at all.

 

[Robovski]

The pay they get is just the official stuff.

I worked in academia there is a huge embezzelment problem that does not get talked about at all.

Fiance works for a major university, I will just confirm. To her credit, she generally upends anything illegal she comes across in the course of her work, but plenty of money is let out as goodwill, like paying a professor for training leave and then they resign on the first day back and don't claw back anything paid. Or the personal use of EVERYTHING.

 

[Cherico]

Fiance works for a major university, I will just confirm. To her credit, she generally upends anything illegal she comes across in the course of her work, but plenty of money is let out as goodwill, like paying a professor for training leave and then they resign on the first day back and don't claw back anything paid. Or the personal use of EVERYTHING.

That said I will say this it is very rare for american professors to accept bribes to raise grades.

For the cynical amongst you its not because of fear of punishment but in many cases because its seen as a student attempting to usurp a professors authority and professors get very prissy when that happens.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

The pay they get is just the official stuff.

I worked in academia there is a huge embezzelment problem that does not get talked about at all.

Of course there is, which goes to my point about academics being part of the parasite class.

 

[JagerIV]

That’s not exactly true though. Like until we get intelligent robots there will still be a need for janitors and trash men to do the dirty jobs. Someone has to do it.

Of course, trashman is a pretty well paid job. Garbage men doing a quick google make in the range of $15-20 range. That's a good $30,000 dollars, probably with benefits on top of that, which can keep a family in a good quality of life with good morals and good financial sense.

In a functional, non insane economy, you can actually live a fairly decent life at about $10,000 dollars a year per person. A bit better when one pairs up with a functional family/proper community.

Like, eating pretty well at like $10-20 dollars of food a day, is only about $5,000 dollars a year.
One Person's share of basic utilities is like $120 a month, once again not skimping on showers or electricity or wifi, is like $1,500 a year.

Travel, based on owning a car, may be in the realm of $5,000 dollars a year. With a used car, you can get more like $3,000.

So, individually you can live in a fair degree of luxury, eating out more or less every day, traveling to work in a nice car, and not worrying about electricity or water, at about $10,000 dollars. Working full time on minimum wage of $7.25 gets you to $14,500. Thus, you can live very comfortably on minimum wage with a family to lean on for some of the other expenses.

The right generally reconizes that "demand" is generally not the side to attack things from, that poor people need more money, but from the supply side on policy: the important policy is to try and make sure such things as healthcare and housing stay affordable by having a functional healthcare and housing market, and neither of those problems will be solved by just throwing more money at poor people. Throwing money at supply problems generally just results in higher prices, not much more actually supplied.

 

[LordsFire]

And I never said there was anything wrong with those jobs, you made that assumption yourself.

What I was trying to point out is that the 'Blame the system' and the 'Pull yourself up by your bootstraps' views are both wrong and missing a lot of nuance.

I did not say that you thought there was something wrong with those jobs.

What I was saying, is that conservatives at large have never thought 'pulling yourself up by your bootstraps' was going to turn everyone into a millionaire. We've thought that it could get 99% of people to healthy, stable jobs, particularly if people would stop sabotaging the economy and society with cancerous programs, laws, and regulations.