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Lord Sovereign said:
May the 4th be with you, lads.

Here’s an odd question, but I reckon a few of you might have thought of it too. I have noticed in basically any media set pre-A New Hope and after Revenge of the Sith, that Imperial March’s use as a leitmotif has almost vanished. It pops up a little bit on Rogue One, Solo and right at the end of Kenobi, but most of the time a new theme is used entirely for the Empire.

Meanwhile bits of twin suns and more heroically associated pieces still appear with some regularity.

What do you think is going on here?
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The Imperial March is too fascist for the woke establishment.
 
Though it was originally meant to represent the empire in general, I think in most peoples mind the imperial march is tied inextricably to the character of Darth Vader specifically. While it could be broadened once again, I think it is an equally valid idea to attempt to develop new leitmotifs for different parts of the empire.
 
In Rogue One, it felt to me that it was a very intentional and actually quite clever move to show that Krennic wasn’t actually a major Imperial leader; he was an overly ambitious middle manager who was casually swept aside as soon as he was dumb enough to directly challenge someone who was actually in the top tier (Tarkin). Vader even outright warned him, with characteristically terse and wonderfully subtle dark humor, that he was overreaching…and he was so arrogant that he totally missed and disregarded the message.

He basically gets the Lesser Imperial Theme because that’s what he is, Evil Middle Management.
 
DarthOne said:
I will say this about Krennic- man was willing to go out and fight in person. Which is more then Bevel ever did.
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On the other hand, Darth Sidious, for all that he held Lemelisk responsible for the flaw in the Death Star, still saw him as valuable enough to not simply execute. Well, he had to be punished, so the Emperor executed him before using essence transfer to put his soul in a clone body. And he did this six times to drive the point home, as encouragement to do better with the Death Star 2.
 
Lord Sovereign said:
May the 4th be with you, lads.

Here’s an odd question, but I reckon a few of you might have thought of it too. I have noticed in basically any media set pre-A New Hope and after Revenge of the Sith, that Imperial March’s use as a leitmotif has almost vanished. It pops up a little bit on Rogue One, Solo and right at the end of Kenobi, but most of the time a new theme is used entirely for the Empire.

Meanwhile bits of twin suns and more heroically associated pieces still appear with some regularity.

What do you think is going on here?
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What's happened is that Disney has shifted what those leitmotifs are for. The Imperial March is now much more Vader's theme. Binary Sunset, on the other hand, has gone from being Luke's theme, as it was in the OT, to being the generic "good guy uses the force" theme, which is why it keep showing up in new content. Likewise the other heroic pieces have shifted from being for specific characters or moments to being for more generic, but similar, moments.
 
S'task said:
What's happened is that Disney has shifted what those leitmotifs are for. The Imperial March is now much more Vader's theme. Binary Sunset, on the other hand, has gone from being Luke's theme, as it was in the OT, to being the generic "good guy uses the force" theme, which is why it keep showing up in new content. Likewise the other heroic pieces have shifted from being for specific characters or moments to being for more generic, but similar, moments.
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I mean, that’s lovely and all, but the clue lies in the name of “Imperial March.” It is the march of the Empire, and the reason it got used so much for Vader was because he was the most prominent Imperial around for a while, and that he had basically become the Empire in physical form.

Not to say I don’t like some of the new Imperial themes (case in point, ISB’s theme in Andor slaps), but March is the Empire made manifest through sound. Just wish I could hear it a little more.
 
Jaenera Targaryen said:
I'm honestly not sure who is more incompetent. Krennic, or Bevel Lemelisk from Legends.
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I'd argue that Krennic wasn't incompetent per se; he simply thought that he was quite a bit more important than he actually was, which led to a literally terminal amount of overconfidence. Even so, he died quite specifically because his hands-on tendencies ultimately gave Tarkin the opportunity to swat him like a bug with his own precious Death Star.

He really should have listened when Vader warned him, "Be careful not to choke on your aspirations, Director."
 
I find it absolutely hilarious and awesome that SW:TOR is still going, in defiance of all of Disney's "no more EU" dictate. It's like this part of real Star Wars that just refused to shut down, and kept going. "Fuck you, Mickey. Fuck your sequels. We all know what the true time-line is."

I'm sort of waiting for the day when Disney SW burns out, and they have another continuity re-set, and SW:TOR will just be there, still going.
 
Skallagrim said:
I find it absolutely hilarious and awesome that SW:TOR is still going, in defiance of all of Disney's "no more EU" dictate. It's like this part of real Star Wars that just refused to shut down, and kept going. "Fuck you, Mickey. Fuck your sequels. We all know what the true time-line is."

I'm sort of waiting for the day when Disney SW burns out, and they have another continuity re-set, and SW:TOR will just be there, still going.
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At least with regard to SWTOR, I suspect Disney wants to keep this steadily-profitable MMO running, and whenever the SJWs at Lucasfilm try to shut it down, someone from higher up simply asks them if they can guarantee a replacement income stream. And since they can't, they're basically told to shut up, and sit down.
 
AspblastUSA said:
Though it was originally meant to represent the empire in general, I think in most peoples mind the imperial march is tied inextricably to the character of Darth Vader specifically. While it could be broadened once again, I think it is an equally valid idea to attempt to develop new leitmotifs for different parts of the empire.
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I think not letting Krennic have the Imperial March works in either framing, because Krennic is not actually an Imperial leader *at the galactic tier*; he's just a project manager. So even if you're framing the Imperial March as the Empire's leitmotif, Krennic isn't an important enough Imperial to have it.
 
Jaenera Targaryen said:
At least with regard to SWTOR, I suspect Disney wants to keep this steadily-profitable MMO running, and whenever the SJWs at Lucasfilm try to shut it down, someone from higher up simply asks them if they can guarantee a replacement income stream. And since they can't, they're basically told to shut up, and sit down.
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I really doubt anyone is actually pushing to shut down an ongoing MMORPG that's still pulling solid subscription numbers in the first place, especially as SWTOR basically runs in an isolated sandbox of "an even longer time ago" and has no real, meaningful impact or relevance on the "modern" Star Wars galaxy in *either* the EU or Disney continuities. It's a hella fun game, but the entire intent of the KOTOR/TOR game sub-continuity is that it''s far enough back that this is completely forgotten ancient history that doesn't have to be synchronized with any other plot material.

(Hell, KOTOR had major elements from the very start that completely break Star Wars continuity -- lightsaber-resistant alloys being *universally* used in mundane melee weapons, personal shields being common, personal cloaking devices widely existing, etc. etc.)
 
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