Taiwan Straights Tension

[Bacle]

So at this stage is the F-15 still "old but good" or just "old"?

Depends on which model you want to talk about.

Some of the A/B models may be reaching the end of their service lives and are likely not as heavily upgraded.

Then you have things like the Strike Eagles, Stealth Eagles, and the F-15EX, which are kinda old but very useful, a great way to get less radar return on an old air frame, and an attempt to emulate Ace Combat missile loads, respectively.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

It is remarkable how much I make you seethe, truly it makes me so very, very happy to know I get under you skin.

This, right here, is why a lot of us have stopped looking at your arguments.

 

[strunkenwhite]

Uh huh... Bullshit. Someone asked you what they're replacing them with. You said "They're not." The article litterally says they are. IDGAF what you said before, your answer here was either blatantly wrong or a blatant lie.

Him: Unless I missed the news article, they aren't.
You: [You did miss it.] But then, you're remarkably good at missing things that don't fit your internal narrative.
Him: Which is exactly what I said

So you see, it's not necessarily bullshit. We can harmonize the posts completely if HL acknowledges that he has blind spots for anything contradicting his preconceived narratives.

Okay, then name exactly what they've decided to replace them with long term.

"newer and more advanced 4th and 5th generation aircraft", as opposed to nothing, "nothing" being how I think any reasonable person would interpret your answer here:
Q: What are they replacing [the F15s] with?
A: [I think] they aren't.

 

[strunkenwhite]

It should be noted that the article suggests the existing F15s could end up being replaced by ... newer F15s (EX).

 

[Sailor.X]

It should be noted that the article suggests the existing F15s could end up being replaced by ... newer F15s (EX).

Yep the Air Force has basically said exactly that. The NGAD will not exist in the same numbers the F-15 is in. And the F-35 can't carry the same larger missiles the F-15EX can carry. So just a few lightnings and a shit ton of Eagles.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Here's a cool map I found a few days ago. I was going to post it earlier but I didn't want it to get buried under the monthly sperg out that occurred yesterday.



Just a map of the various "incursions" made by Chinese aircraft and vessels over the month of June close to Taiwan.

 

[Scottty]

Here's a cool map I found a few days ago. I was going to post it earlier but I didn't want it to get buried under the monthly sperg out that occurred yesterday.



Just a map of the various "incursions" made by Chinese aircraft and vessels over the month of June close to Taiwan.

Hey cool! One can see from that map exactly where America or Taiwan should put their AA defenses.

 

[49ersfootball]

Hey cool! One can see from that map exactly where America or Taiwan should put their AA defenses.

Anticipating Guatemala will throw Taiwan under the bus IF Arevalo wins the runoff election next month.

Damn shame because Tsai's foreign policy isn't helping matters.

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

Would it have been more pragmatic for Taiwan to give up Kinmen and Matsu to the PRC in exchange for becoming an actual, independent Taiwanese nation? Given that the only difficulty in reinforcing those two islands is the possible presence of the PLA Navy and those islands are within range of Chinese artillery.

 

[Marduk]

Would it have been more pragmatic for Taiwan to give up Kinmen and Matsu to the PRC in exchange for becoming an actual, independent Taiwanese nation? Given that the only difficulty in reinforcing those two islands is the possible presence of the PLA Navy and those islands are within range of Chinese artillery.

The problem is that China has no interest in such a compromise, and if it did, no one would trust it to keep to that deal. It would be a diplomatic and morale salami slice off Taiwan for no benefit. If the deal could come with actual concessions and be guaranteed by other powers, it would be a great deal for Taiwan, including de facto end of Chinese claims on Taiwan, but that would in turn be merely a way for China to surrender on the Taiwan question while saving face, a little at least, which current leadership of China is not interested in doing.

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

The problem is that China has no interest in such a compromise, and if it did, no one would trust it to keep to that deal. It would be a diplomatic and morale salami slice off Taiwan for no benefit. If the deal could come with actual concessions and be guaranteed by other powers, it would be a great deal for Taiwan, including de facto end of Chinese claims on Taiwan, but that would in turn be merely a way for China to surrender on the Taiwan question while saving face, a little at least, which current leadership of China is not interested in doing.

Their leadership are a bunch of boneheaded pricks, aren't they? It's more along the lines of how difficult it would be to reinforce those two islands is what I wanted to know.

 

[Marduk]

Their leadership are a bunch of boneheaded pricks, aren't they? It's more along the lines of how difficult it would be to reinforce those two islands is what I wanted to know.

Very difficult, and probably not done on account of not being worth it, at least in case of major escalation.

 

[Tiamat]

Their leadership are a bunch of boneheaded pricks, aren't they? It's more along the lines of how difficult it would be to reinforce those two islands is what I wanted to know.

A slight correction: It's a bunch of boneheads who all take direct orders from one big bonehead who thinks emulating Mao Zedong is a GREAT idea, surrounded by nodding Yes Men.

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

A slight correction: It's a bunch of boneheads who all take direct orders from one big bonehead who thinks emulating Mao Zedong is a GREAT idea, surrounded by nodding Yes Men.

On the flip side, having Kinmen and Matsu remain in Taiwanese hands could be a good dagger aimed at China's southern regions. Only thing is, would it also be a good place to set up a forward base for a potential Taiwanese operations in the Chinese mainland?

 

[LordsFire]

On the flip side, having Kinmen and Matsu remain in Taiwanese hands could be a good dagger aimed at China's southern regions. Only thing is, would it also be a good place to set up a forward base for a potential Taiwanese operations in the Chinese mainland?

Taiwan has no meaningful ability to try to invade the Chinese mainland. The same issues with amphibious assault that make China invading Taiwan so difficult in spite of their massive size advantage, make Taiwan trying the reverse basically suicidal.

Maybe if the CCP implodes and the nation dissolves into civil war they'd try something, but even then it's dubious. What would they stand to gain?

 

[Marduk]

On the flip side, having Kinmen and Matsu remain in Taiwanese hands could be a good dagger aimed at China's southern regions. Only thing is, would it also be a good place to set up a forward base for a potential Taiwanese operations in the Chinese mainland?

More like a forward base for Taiwanese missiles, because Taiwan has no troops or ships to do such operations successfully.

 

[Scottty]

This reminds me of the old joke about what would have happened if the Soviet Union and Communist China went to war with each other.
On the first day of the war the Soviets take 10,000 prisoners.
On the second day they take 100,000
On the third day they take a million prisoners
By the end of the week the Soviets surrender, utterly overwhelmed and unable to deal with the sheer number of Chinese prisoners.

 

[Husky_Khan]

United States in a first will be delivering a $345 million dollar military aid package to Taiwan which will come from a drawdown of US Military Stocks like much of the aid sent to Ukraine has been.

The aid will consist in part of MANPADs, small arms, missiles and ISR equipment.

US to announce $345 million military aid package for Taiwan

The package includes man-portable air defense systems, or MANPADS, intelligence and surveillance capabilities, firearms and missiles.

www.armytimes.com

 

[Tiamat]

Taiwan has no meaningful ability to try to invade the Chinese mainland. The same issues with amphibious assault that make China invading Taiwan so difficult in spite of their massive size advantage, make Taiwan trying the reverse basically suicidal.

Maybe if the CCP implodes and the nation dissolves into civil war they'd try something, but even then it's dubious. What would they stand to gain?

IF the CCP were to implode, and depending on HOW it implodes, I suspect the Taiwanese could theoretically be busy instead with a deluge of refugees trying to get to Taiwan. Theoretically, that is.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Private Taiwanese companies developing unmanned surface vessels, perhaps partially inspired by recent events on the other side of the world.



This firm is called 'Thunder Tiger' which sounds like a poor translation that results in a badass sounding name but I have no idea. Their latest feature in the USV library is the Sea Shark 400. Tiger Lei also develops aerial drones and unmanned vehicles.

Taiwan's firm Thunder Tiger launches Sea Shark 400 USV

Thunder Tiger from Taiwan unveils the USV Sea Shark 400.

www.navyrecognition.com