Um the CCP is many things competent in combat is not one of them.
Equipment does not equal doctrine. And the CCP has no military combat doctrine worth a damn. I point at the spanking India gave them last year.
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LordsFire
Internet Wizard
This is a very good point. If we're going to hold a standard of 'better than the Russians' as needed for an enemy to count as competent, then literally every competent military in the world is allied with us.
In which case, performance against Iraq, in either 91 or 2003, is a perfectly acceptable benchmark for how we could expect combat against the Chinese to look like.
Indeed. It also does not help the CCP that their Navy has never fought any kind of real Naval Combat. They US and NATO has World War two practical tactics along with tactics adapted from the Modern Era to draw from. The CCP they have crony officers who got their positions not through merit. But by pay to play commie practices.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
And everything that China has doctrinally is either just as bad or worse.
Do I need to dig up the article where a French soldier who did a tour with American forces talks about his experience?
One minute...
A French Soldier's View of US Soldiers in Afghanistan
By Wes O'Donnell, Army & Air Force Veteran 1997-2007, Speaker, Journalist, and Documentary Filmmaker. Reach out to Wes on LinkedIn. What follows is an account from a French ISAF soldier that was stationed with American Warfighters in Afghanistan sometime in the past 6 years. This was copied and...
warriorlodge.com
Money quote from an addendum at the bottom of the article:
"Current everyday conventional boring 'leg infantry' units exceed the PT levels and training levels of most Special Forces during the Vietnam War. They exceed both of those as well as educational levels of Waffen SS, WWII Rangers, WWII Airborne and British 'Commando' units during WWII. Their per-unit combat-functionality is essentially unmeasurable because it has to be compared to something and there's nothing comparable in industrial period combat history.
This group is so much better than 'The Greatest Generation' at war than WWII vets who really get a close look at how good these kids are, and stand in absolute awe.
Everyone complains about the quality of 'the new guys.' Don't. The screw-ups of this modern generation are head and shoulders above the 'high-medium' of any past group. Including mine. So much of 'The scum of the earth, enlisted for drink.'
This is 'The Greatest Generation' of soldiers.
They may never be equaled."
It is things like this that give me confidence that even as the Democrats and their woke garbage erode the US military's combat ability, we are being eroded down from the highest capability throughout all of history, whereas even if the PLA rise above what is expected, the baseline for communist military performance is the shittiest in modern history.
The problem is a fight with China is going to be mostly and air and sea war, on the part of US forces. So Army PT matters less than the equipment DamCon and aircrews have.
Trying to invade the mainland is pant's on head retarded when airstrikes will do whatever is need, and if it escalates above that we begin to talk about nukes, where infantry don't matter much.
And if we have units in Taiwan that are fighting a ground war, it means the air war adn sea war aren't going well and they might end up like to poor sods left on Bataan after MacArthur bugged out.
Right now the danger is two-fold.
Either this 'exercise' is a pre-text for beginning a fight while the CCP still have the fighting strength, and 'surprising' the Taiwanese before they get all the nice goodies promised to them. Or we could see UXO from CCP 'training' landing/washing ashore and doing damage 'incidentally'.
Trying to invade the mainland is pant's on head retarded when airstrikes will do whatever is need, and if it escalates above that we begin to talk about nukes, where infantry don't matter much.
And if we have units in Taiwan that are fighting a ground war, it means the air war adn sea war aren't going well and they might end up like to poor sods left on Bataan after MacArthur bugged out.
Right now the danger is two-fold.
Either this 'exercise' is a pre-text for beginning a fight while the CCP still have the fighting strength, and 'surprising' the Taiwanese before they get all the nice goodies promised to them. Or we could see UXO from CCP 'training' landing/washing ashore and doing damage 'incidentally'.
Army and Marines will be invovled incase any land forces make it.
Or we be evil and let them land only to wipe them out right after. Feint that we arnt going to be there and then BOOM
Yep and If you are in a Boat Unit you get the joy of PTing with Jarheads......... Yeah damn you Gunny I still remember Hill MuthaFuck.
"Let's just take a short jog up the Mountain to the Satellite relay!" Screw you too Sergeant! 🥵
TheRomanSlayer
Kayabangan, Dugo, at Dangal
Well, that escalated rather quickly.
I'm ok with them firing more missiles this way. It's a great tracking drill for all the Air Defense/Counter Missile Batteries on Taiwan and the US Navy platforms at sea.
Nothing like pushing your enemies closer together. Good job CCP! You're fostering closer relationships across the Pacific Rim! Too bad they all hate you.
Well looks like China is already making plans in regards to Taiwanese Reunification.
Guess they won't be getting social credit scores in the first place.
Global Times said:
Guess they won't be getting social credit scores in the first place.
Looks like technically Chinese missiles flew over Taiwan.
Granted it was 200 kilometers over Taiwan so not really in their Airspace (and thus Air Traffic) being those kind of missiles but still.
History Learner
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Rather, I think you lot are completely incapable of the bare minimum of critical thinking when someone dangles these Cold War throwbacks to you. If China is this laughing stock of a military you all project they are, then what does it matter if they do lash out? You seem convinced they're a bunch of bungling idiots doing human wave tactics like Korea, so if that's your genuine belief, it should not matter if they do or do not in your world view.
Either they are a threat or they aren't, can't have it both ways.
Beyond laughably detached from any sort of objective reality; do better.
History Learner
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Except everyone in the Pacific Rim sans long term U.S. allies Japan and South Korea affirmed the One China Policy after Pelosi's visit. Yes, every single member of ASEAN-including Vietnam-gave statements in support of One China and called for restraint from both sides. Weird they would do that if they all hate China and this pushed them against Beijing. As I've said, you lot are extremely detached from any sort of objective reality as it relates to these things.
Vietnam continues to follow a "One-China policy" and calls on all parties to not escalate tension in the Taiwan Strait, the foreign ministry said Wednesday.
"Vietnam wishes for all relevant parties to restrain themselves, not escalate tension in the Taiwan Strait, positively contribute to the maintenance of peace and stability, and strengthen cooperation and development in the region and the world," Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokeswoman Le Thi Thu Hang said Wednesday.
She said Vietnam resolutely follows the "One-China policy," which recognizes Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan as part of China. Her statement came as the Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, is visiting Taiwan, the highest-ranking U.S. official to do so in 25 years.
The visit escalated tension between the U.S. and China, with Beijing considering the act as provocative and Washington's betrayal of its "One-China policy."
Here's an actual article on the Chinese Missiles flying over Taiwan and why they weren't attempted to be intercepted and the like. Like before... They were in Spaaaaace!
www.taiwannews.com.tw
Why Taiwan is not trying to shoot down China's missiles | Taiwan News | 2022-08-05 18:25:00
China's Dongfeng missiles fly over Taiwan during mid-course phase in space, not in nation's airspace | 2022-08-05 18:25:00
www.taiwannews.com.tw