What If? Terminator police station attack In 2019

[MenimenLoop]

For those who haven't seen it in a while, here is the refreasher for you.


instead of 1984, the attack happen in 2019 at a police station in America somewhere. how would police now response to this attack ?

What would the aftermath of this actually look like, in terms of police / government response? Would the military be involved? How would it even be reported on the news, what would the official story be at the press conferences?

 

[Quickdraw101]

Well there'd almost certainly be footage of him shrugging off bullets like there's no tomorrow. Even more so if any camera catches him getting shot in an artery or face, while also leaving no blood at the scene. Terminator wouldn't get away, but it'd probably take really heavy weapons to take him out. The reaction will be along the lines of "what the fuck is he and where did he come from?".

 

[FriedCFour]

For those who haven't seen it in a while, here is the refreasher for you.


instead of 1984, the attack happen in 2019 at a police station in America somewhere. how would police now response to this attack ?

What would the aftermath of this actually look like, in terms of police / government response? Would the military be involved? How would it even be reported on the news, what would the official story be at the press conferences?

In canon its said it was a guy on PCP, but depending on the police station and how quickly and who responds, they could very well shred him so badly that he is exposed as a robot, meaning no cover story can work, and footage will show him as a robot. All it takes is a couple good hosings, some shots to the face, and he will be shown as a robot.

In all seriousness, I think that every right wing conspiracy nut will be able to take the narrative so well they dominate. The narrative of deep state/big tech mass shootings using robot killers to take away our guns and dominate society, in this scenario, actually seems more plausible than a time travel robot sent by an AI in the future to kill the mother of the leader of the resistance. It could, at worst and at this time, spark a civil war.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

In all seriousness, I think that every right wing conspiracy nut will be able to take the narrative so well they dominate. The narrative of deep state/big tech mass shootings using robot killers to take away our guns and dominate society, in this scenario, actually seems more plausible than a time travel robot sent by an AI in the future to kill the mother of the leader of the resistance. It could, at worst and at this time, spark a civil war.

Which might be what Skynet was aiming for. A disunited humanity that is still hurting from the civil war when Skynet drops the bombs would make Connor's task much harder.

This is actually a pretty good story-idea for Terminator.

 

[DarthOne]

Which might be what Skynet was aiming for. A disunited humanity that is still hurting from the civil war when Skynet drops the bombs would make Connor's task much harder.

This is actually a pretty good story-idea for Terminator.

Agreed. Of course it’s something new and original instead of a rehash of the first two Terminator films. So there’s exactly zero chance of hollyweird touching it.

 

[ShieldWife]

There would be enough video footage to be pretty sure that he wasn’t human. I imagine after killing all of the cops that helicopters might be called in to maintain surveillance on him, along with maybe satellites or who knows what else. There are a lot of cameras around. I’m thinking that the government may end up calling the military or national guard to try to hit him with a missile, which would cripple or destroy the terminator.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

What about rocketthrowers, would these have an effect on him?

 

[DarthOne]

What about rocketthrowers, would these have an effect on him?

If you mean some sort of RPG, remember that the T-500 got its legs blown off by a pipbomb.

Pretty sure even normal grenades or enough conventional firepower (Eyes,anyone?) would cause it problems.

 

[Emperor Tippy]

Video footage presumes no ability to generate an EMP and/or built in Wi-Fi hacking.

Realistically, a Terminator should have no problem cracking pretty much any wireless network and/or device around in 2019. Which means hacking and crashing all cellphones and the vast majority of cameras (relatively few are actually wired, even fewer are on isolated & hardened systems).

 

[Shadepen97]

If this happens

Video footage presumes no ability to generate an EMP and/or built in Wi-Fi hacking.

Realistically, a Terminator should have no problem cracking pretty much any wireless network and/or device around in 2019. Which means hacking and crashing all cellphones and the vast majority of cameras (relatively few are actually wired, even fewer are on isolated & hardened systems).

Or they were denied that ability because Skynet presumed that it would be unnecessary due to controlling pretty much everything in the future. Or Perhaps granting hacking/cyberwarfare abilities to Terminators was deemed an unacceptable risk by Skynet and later the Resistance.

 

[Spartan303]

If this happens

Or they were denied that ability because Skynet presumed that it would be unnecessary due to controlling pretty much everything in the future. Or Perhaps granting hacking/cyberwarfare abilities to Terminators was deemed an unacceptable risk by Skynet and later the Resistance.

Skynet sent its Terminators out in Read only mode because it didn't want them to do too much thinking. Some of its Terminators might object to be used in this manner. Curious enough the T800 series does not have the ability to monitor wireless networks nor radio transmissions. HKs were the ones who did that and then directed Ground side Terminators to those locations.

'Modern interpretations' of Terminators might have that ability. But if we take the Terminator as it truly is, a futuristic version of 1980s and 1990s Technology that branched off from that point, then this ability would not be needed, as Wireless networks simply weren't a major thing then.

This is a Terminator from that future verse transplanted across to a parallel future world in which technology has advanced along paths Skynet may not have anticipated. The Terminator may not realize what's happening until the LAPD fully mobilizes and swarms him like flies on shit. Of course that metal Chassis is immune to their firepower. Even armor piercing rounds won't even scratch the paint. You'd need something with a lot more kick. Something on the order of Dragon 50 caliber explosive rounds to finally put that thing down for good.

But that's going to equal a lot of dead cops and civilians in the crossfire. Likely hundreds. And it's going to be a very public media circus to surpass the infamous LA shootout.

The implications of this event I can't even speculate. Someone mentioned how Right wing conspiracy theorists might latch onto it as a Deep State ploy to push gun control. I wish I could say that's absurd but it's fairly plausible at first glance. More interesting is how the Military and the Government will react. I can not stress how much of a Nightmare a T-800 series is. And they're just the standard infantry units Skynet fields. These things are scary good and virtually immune to nearly all manner of firearms. Of course the Government is going to wonder what was the point of all this. And as soon as they figure out that thing was after some random Woman by the name of Sarah Connor, expect a manhunt for her and Kyle Reece like none ever seen before. They'll be caught in short order. And the story Kyle will tell them is going to be out of this world. But then again.... they have the proof. So it's interesting where this might go from there.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

And as soon as they figure out that thing was after some random Woman by the name of Sarah Connor, expect a manhunt for her and Kyle Reece like none ever seen before. They'll be caught in short order. And the story Kyle will tell them is going to be out of this world. But then again.... they have the proof. So it's interesting where this might go from there.

That has its own implications. Kyle is still alive and thus will play more of a role in raising John. That boy is going to get conscripted the moment he's born, and Sarah will force them to teach her how to defend him against more Terminators too.
The question of how the details of the timeline change is important tho.

 

[Spartan303]

That has its own implications. Kyle is still alive and thus will play more of a role in raising John. That boy is going to get conscripted the moment he's born, and Sarah will force them to teach her how to defend him against more Terminators too.
The question of how the details of the timeline change is important tho.

I'd love to see his face when he finally realizes that HE is the father of John Connor. Kyle got a very raw deal in the original timeline. But he accomplished his mission.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

I'd love to see his face when he finally realizes that HE is the father of John Connor. Kyle got a very raw deal in the original timeline. But he accomplished his mission.

Come to think of it, while Kyle was part of a resistance against Skynet, he was never an official part of the american military.
Would the army or whoever take him even in? What rank would he have? Or would he be simply too valuable to risk in direct combat?

 

[Spartan303]

Come to think of it, while Kyle was part of a resistance against Skynet, he was never an official part of the american military.
Would the army or whoever take him even in? What rank would he have? Or would he be simply too valuable to risk in direct combat?

He'd be a civilian consultant. The Pentagon would spend months debriefing him. I'm going to assume him and Sarah were picked up after he had impregnated her. Which, come to think of it, wasn't that long after the shooting at the police station.

So after months of debriefings, medical and psychological evaluations the Army would employ him in a consultant role to train its forces how to fight Skynet. Predominantly Special Forces. Kyle, Sarah and John will find themselves staying at Fort Bragg for the foreseeable future.


Unfortunately, what Kyle says is going to hurt. This is about to become some very bleak shit the Fudge factory is going to have to swallow, because nearly all the weapons they have in their arsenal are horribly obsolete by Skynets standards. They need to go back to the drawing boards.

As for John. That kid is about to have a very tough life. He's not going to have a normal life by any stretch. I imagine he'll become a child raised by the special forces. In Canon Sarah pretty much shacked up with Ex-Special Forces Operators who taught him a lot of things. Sarah learned a lot too but its implied her dalliances with these men were not always pleasant.

Now she has Kyle who isn't going to leave her side and she has her son. And now he's going to have hundreds of uncles of the best Special Operators in the world teaching him tactics and skillsets. Though it goes against modern day ethical norms, expect Uncle Sam to be encouraging this. Infact John might have a lot of siblings in that category. Remember the 'Adam Project' from the Kurt Russell movie 'Soldier'? You might see something akin to that if for nothing else but a doomsday fail safe should Skynet find a way to bring about Judgement day. Something akin to the Division crossed with Ghost Recon set in a post Nuear holocaust world.

 

[PsihoKekec]

I was thinking a bit. Terminators are built to shrug off small arms fire and vital areas can probably withstand 12,7 mm, but what about DP 40 mm grenades? I reckon development of anti-terminator weaponry would focus on more effective anti armor 40 mm grenades, anti material rifles and scaled down ATGMs (as you don't need to defeat tank scale armor).
Perhaps also HEAT hand grenades as the weapon of the last resort or some sort thermite weapon.

I also wonder how HESH style weapons would do against terminators. While HEAT weapons can penetrate the armor, the internal damage they cause is limited, while HESH, if you can get the effect, would cause widespread internal damage.

 

[Spartan303]

I was thinking a bit. Terminators are built to shrug off small arms fire and vital areas can probably withstand 12,7 mm, but what about DP 40 mm grenades? I reckon development of anti-terminator weaponry would focus on more effective anti armor 40 mm grenades, anti material rifles and scaled down ATGMs (as you don't need to defeat tank scale armor).
Perhaps also HEAT hand grenades as the weapon of the last resort or some sort thermite weapon.

I also wonder how HESH style weapons would do against terminators. While HEAT weapons can penetrate the armor, the internal damage they cause is limited, while HESH, if you can get the effect, would cause widespread internal damage.

That and likely higher caliber armor piercing rounds while research and development starts on Plasma and laser weapons.

 

[Arlos]

Anyone so much as proposing to create anything ressembling skynet is going to get quietly disappeared...I wouldn’t be surprised if we ended up with a paradox where Skynet is forced to create itself.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

Anyone so much as proposing to create anything ressembling skynet is going to get quietly disappeared...I wouldn’t be surprised if we ended up with a paradox where Skynet is forced to create itself.

Yeah, that's actually what just came to mind for me, rather than just sending one T-1000, Skynet instead sends along dozens of T-600 with the goal to take over enough factories and kill as much of John's future staff as possible before launching the nukes.

I can see a scene (hopefully with no shaky cam) where a dozen terminators start attacking the white house, the staff and security holding them off and failing, with the president being killed because Skynet already knows the codes. Which are then fed to the freshly born Skynet. I can already start to imagine the movie's rough plotline.

 

[Floridaman]

Yeah, that's actually what just came to mind for me, rather than just sending one T-1000, Skynet instead sends along dozens of T-600 with the goal to take over enough factories and kill as much of John's future staff as possible before launching the nukes.

I can see a scene (hopefully with no shaky cam) where a dozen terminators start attacking the white house, the staff and security holding them off and failing, with the president being killed because Skynet already knows the codes. Which are then fed to the freshly born Skynet. I can already start to imagine the movie's rough plotline.

I would assume they would figure out they needed to change the codes upon learning an American AI programmed to control the nuclear arsenal goes rogue. So it would still need to crack that, and I doubt they ever connected the silos to the internet so skynet would need physical access.