Texas Grand Jury Indicts Netflix for Distributing Pedophilia (Cuties)

I'm certainly no fan of Cuties, it's terrible. But on the other hand, I'm really nervous about the ability of a local court to prosecute over something like this and the potential to shutdown a production which is unpopular. I'd rather error on the side of allowing Cuties, especially as the definition of "child pornography" is rather nebulous, which is made even more problematic for a distribution charge.
 
I'm certainly no fan of Cuties, it's terrible. But on the other hand, I'm really nervous about the ability of a local court to prosecute over something like this and the potential to shutdown a production which is unpopular. I'd rather error on the side of allowing Cuties, especially as the definition of "child pornography" is rather nebulous, which is made even more problematic for a distribution charge.
This is one of those cases where the "sky is blue and water is wet" matters more over technical definitions. Even if it does set a bad precedent, this shit needs to be stomped hard and Netflix needs to be bitch-slapped -- Hell, they were they ones who basically advertised it as child pornography!

It might not have been the intention of the filmmaker/direction to do it (apparently it was some bullshit about social-media and pressure forcing kids to become more sexualized? I think?), but... yeah. Cuties is pretty much pedophilia material, even if it's "soft-core" stuff like you'd see with generic soft-core pornography and hard-core pornography.

I mean, there's a scene I've seen discussed many times where they're dancing like strippers, and the camera is focusing in on certain areas. Yeah. :sick:
 
Those are emotional words to be sure, but I don't know that the line is necessarily clear. How does one define exploitation? What is a child? How do we know if sexual gratification of the audience is the goal? Making child pornography should be illegal, assuming that making it requires the molestation of a child, which is obvious. Should distribution of child pornography be illegal? The knee jerk reaction is to say yes, but keep in mind how bad the government can be in so many ways, and to allow merely sharing or possessing some kind of information to be illegal gives them a giant hammer that they might decide to hammer us with.

Should the people involved in making, or in fact making available to the public, Franco Zeffirelli's Romeo and Juliet be charged with distribution of child pornography? Olivia Hussey was 15 when she played Juliet. She had a sex scene which most people would agree was erotic and her nude body was shown. Even under stricter definitions of child pornography than are being applied to Cuties, we might be able to say that Romeo and Juliet is child pornography. The main advantages for R&J being that it's much classier than Cuties and the girl is 15 rather than 11-12. These are questions we need to think about before we permit people to be put into jail. These are questions we need to think about before we allow a movie to be banned.

Also, this is a globally distributed movie and a local jurisdiction is going to prosecute. Considering the questionable nature of child pornography and the question of whether distribution should even be illegal, do we want one region of a nation or of the world to decide what can and can't be seen everywhere else? In this age of mass media, any kind of movie, show, song, book, entertainment, or story can go anywhere in the world. Do we want people charged based on the strictest local laws?

Believe me, I am against child molestation and child pornography. I'm probably in the minority of people on this site in that I actually have kids, little girls even. But child pornography and child molestation are ideas that cause people to throw logic right out the window and form a witch hunt without even thinking about the reality of a particular case or the precedent that can be set with such a prosecution. Were the actresses in Cuties molested in the making of the movie? By strict legal definition, almost certainly not. Were the actresses exploited? "Exploitation" is a weasel word if ever there was one, and people use it all the time to justify banning things that they don't like. If we are going to ban movies and jail people, we need a very legally strict definition of what misdeed was allegedly done to those actresses. If we have those things, then a good argument might be made that some of the movie's creators should be prosecuted. Is letting or having kids do lude dances to be illegal? It's certainly objectionable but if its to be illegal then that opens up another Pandora's box of government interference in our lives. Then we must address the issue if distribution of something should even be illegal, because if so than almost anybody could become a criminal by sharing footage of illegal material. Maybe if could be proven that distributors participated in the production of the movie, thereby being complicit in what ever illegal act that was committed against the movie's actresses.

There are so many complex legal and societal issues at play when it comes to banning a movie like this and for the justifications that are being used. We can't just say "OMG the childrens!!" and then prosecute unthinkingly.
 
Im not sure this passes constitutional muster, and honestly considering how much effort is being made to silence us and I do mean all of us. Libertarian, classical liberal, conservative, traditionalist, moderate. Id rather coexist with Cuties and ignore it then have its elimination be used as an excuse to finally silence our voices once and for all and that is what the left wants. For us to be silenced forever.
 
Im not sure this passes constitutional muster, and honestly considering how much effort is being made to silence us and I do mean all of us. Libertarian, classical liberal, conservative, traditionalist, moderate. Id rather coexist with Cuties and ignore it then have its elimination be used as an excuse to finally silence our voices once and for all and that is what the left wants. For us to be silenced forever.

If we can't differentiate between child pornography and political speech, we're already completely screwed.
 
If we can't differentiate between child pornography and political speech, we're already completely screwed.

We are already completely screwed, deplaforming, doxing, targeted assasinations of trump supporters in the streets, months of rioting, out rage mobs that get rid of peoples jobs, harassment of reporters who don't agree. This is all happening right now, I don't want to risk a single inch of what legal protections we still have.
 
This is a grand jury from a pretty small part of Texas. Tyler county, only around 21,000 residents.

I don't see this going anywhere. If/when it gets appealed to higher courts it will probably be dropped, if it even makes it that far.
 
I understand the worries about free speech implications. There is an argument to be made about where the line of 'actual child porn' is and how it could be abused for other purposes.

However, this film...if it actually intended to do what it claims, it could have done it so many different ways that didn't have 11 year old twerking and touching themselves in a dance number or focus shots on their crotches.

As it stands, I think there is a good case to be made that this was at minimum exploitation of the girls involved, and that the people who authorized/produced the movie need to face charges for such.
 
I understand the worries about free speech implications. There is an argument to be made about where the line of 'actual child porn' is and how it could be abused for other purposes.

However, this film...if it actually intended to do what it claims, it could have done it so many different ways that didn't have 11 year old twerking and touching themselves in a dance number or focus shots on their crotches.

As it stands, I think there is a good case to be made that this was at minimum exploitation of the girls involved, and that the people who authorized/produced the movie need to face charges for such.
As far as I understand the law, it being "art" might make an exception.

It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

I wouldn't mind seeing netflix get slapped down over this disgusting smut.
 
Yeah, I agree with Cherico. We are under a full fledged assault from extreme leftists, and free expression and free speech are some of the primary targets. Cuties, as bad as it is, isn't so bad that banning it is worth the risk of undermining free speech or giving people in power (who would, if they were able, round us up and put us into gulags for the ideas we express on even this moderate forum) a justification to silence or punish people they disapprove of.

Granted, they still try to do this even if nobody does anything to ban Cuties, but I think we should be strong and consistent in defense of free expression, especially when on shaky ground like this. "I know it when I see it" isn't the kind of censorship laws we want to live under.

Well, your position is consistent, but I think that if we widely applied that standard we would lose out on a lot of good things (including that movie) and we might live under greater fear as well.
 

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