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The '24 Presidential Election Contest...and related bits

The Whispering Monk

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Osaul
So...I'm starting a thread to keep all the '24 Pres. Election Primary and Main Event shenanigans

I'll start us off with this one for the Christie...

Christie shoots his chances in the dick

TLDR: "Former Republican Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey said on Monday that he wouldn't fire FBI Director Christopher Wray, and said he disagreed with many Republicans who claim the Department of Justice has been weaponized during the Biden administration."
 

49ersfootball

Well-known member
So...I'm starting a thread to keep all the '24 Pres. Election Primary and Main Event shenanigans

I'll start us off with this one for the Christie...

Christie shoots his chances in the dick

TLDR: "Former Republican Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey said on Monday that he wouldn't fire FBI Director Christopher Wray, and said he disagreed with many Republicans who claim the Department of Justice has been weaponized during the Biden administration."
My best guess is the GOP nomination will likely come down to former President Donald Trump vs FL Governor Ron DeSantis (R).

Speaking of rematches: This kind of reminds me of the 1986 TX Gubernatorial Election between former TX Governor William P. Clements (R) vs then-TX Governor Mark Wells White, Jr., (D): where Clements won the rematch from 1982 when White upset Clements that year.
 
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Aldarion

Neoreactionary Monarchist
So...I'm starting a thread to keep all the '24 Pres. Election Primary and Main Event shenanigans

I'll start us off with this one for the Christie...

Christie shoots his chances in the dick

TLDR: "Former Republican Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey said on Monday that he wouldn't fire FBI Director Christopher Wray, and said he disagreed with many Republicans who claim the Department of Justice has been weaponized during the Biden administration."
This guy alone may prove that establishment Republicans are just moderate Democrats.

And then they wonder where Trump came from. And even he wasn't "extreme" enough.
 

The Whispering Monk

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Osaul
This guy alone may prove that establishment Republicans are just moderate Democrats.

And then they wonder where Trump came from. And even he wasn't "extreme" enough.
Yer not wrong about that. It feels like they're trying to wrest the party away from where Trump took it, but without understanding why it went that way in the first place. Just stupid.
 

Bacle

When the effort is no longer profitable...
Founder
This guy alone may prove that establishment Republicans are just moderate Democrats.

And then they wonder where Trump came from. And even he wasn't "extreme" enough.
You forget, before 2016, Trump was a moderate NYC Democrat, not part of the GOP; the reality is the idea Trump was some fringe/Far_Right savior was something other's layered onto him after he began to run, and then expected Trump to be a reactionary instead of a NYC Dem who just thought the Dems had gone nuts.
 

Aldarion

Neoreactionary Monarchist
You forget, before 2016, Trump was a moderate NYC Democrat, not part of the GOP; the reality is the idea Trump was some fringe/Far_Right savior was something other's layered onto him after he began to run, and then expected Trump to be a reactionary instead of a NYC Dem who just thought the Dems had gone nuts.
"NYC Dem who just thought the Dems had gone nuts" is what GOP had been for a very long time, though.
 

Buba

A total creep
LOL!
For some reason after glancing at the title I thought the tread was about an ALT 1924 election :)

It feels like they're trying to wrest the party away from where Trump took it, but without understanding why it went that way in the first place.

This.
My unresearched view from across the Atlantic is that Trump represents the "protest vote" against mainstream USA politics, represented by the DNC and GOP pretending very hard that they are different whereas in fact being two cheeks of the same arse.
 
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Rocinante

Russian Bot
Founder
LOL!
For some reason after glancing at the title I thought the tread was about an ALT 1924 election :)



This.
My unresearched view from across the Atlantic is that Trump represents the "protest vote" against mainstream USA politics, represented by the DNC and GOP pretending very hard that they are different whereas in fact being two cheeks of the same arse.
Yeah, Trump is the middle finger vote. The fact that the left and right establishment and controlled media all hate him is his primary selling point.

People are/were fed up at the system. Trump was promising to fuck that system up. They're tired of being told the same lies over and over again, then once in office their candidate abandons the lies.

Trump failed at this, but he tried. Just trusted the wrong people.

You'd think these politicians would notice that half the country literally just wanted to say "fuck you" and change course a bit...but nah, they'll just keep up the same BS.
 

Bacle

When the effort is no longer profitable...
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Friendly Reminder - Rule 2C: Posting inflammatory content to bait other users
"NYC Dem who just thought the Dems had gone nuts" is what GOP had been for a very long time, though.
Eh, no, not before RvW was overturned; Trump brought non-traditional/non-base voters to the GOP because he wasn't a dyed-in-the-wool GOP tradcon, or a fringe GOP reactionary just looking to burn it all down.

A lot of people, usually foreigners and first gen/newly immigrated people who support Trump because the see a proto-Pinochet (cough @The Immortal Watch Dog cough), have simply gotten sold the illusion Trump is some kind of tradcon/reactionary savior when he very much is not, and never was.

The fact is the reactionary/tradcon Right is a rather small part of the US electorate, places like this just make people in it feel less isolated and outnumbered than it really is, and those who appeal to the center/moderates will always have a better chance electorally (when the elections are fair and legit) in the US than candidates who only try to appeal to either the fringe of their base or only try to 'preach to the choir' for primary purposes.

The fringe of the Right most of the time just shows why the Horseshoe Theory of Politics holds water, and usually shoots itself in the metaphorical foot because of either purity spirals or simply living in illusions of how many people in the US actually support them.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Hetman
A lot of people, usually foreigners and first gen/newly immigrated people who support Trump because the see a proto-Pinochet (cough @The Immortal Watch Dog cough), have simply gotten sold the illusion Trump is some kind of tradcon/reactionary savior when he very much is not, and never was.

Yeah, that has never been my position on Trump, ever.

In fact I've been calling the guy a 90s Democrat since 2011 and have mostly just been laughing my ass off at how it took a New York lefty to bail the GOP out due to its own ineffectual weakness.

I dont support Trump because I think he's gonna save America. Far from it, I supported the guy because of the sheer damage he's done to the legitimacy of the two party system and because he's consistently tried to undermine strong central authority.

You can't be pro Junta and want the Federal Government reduced to its pre-ACW levels of toothlessness.

You really need to read the shit I post instead of just strawmanning me and using me as a catch all boogeyman.
 

Bacle

When the effort is no longer profitable...
Founder
Yeah, that has never been my position on Trump, ever.

In fact I've been calling the guy a 90s Democrat since 2011 and have mostly just been laughing my ass off at how it took a New York lefty to bail the GOP out due to its own ineffectual weakness.

I dont support Trump because I think he's gonna save America. Far from it, I supported the guy because of the sheer damage he's done to the legitimacy of the two party system and because he's consistently tried to undermine strong central authority.

You can't be pro Junta and want the Federal Government reduced to its pre-ACW levels of toothlessness.

You really need to read the shit I post instead of just strawmanning me and using me as a catch all boogeyman.

Pinochet was absolutely someone to be admired if you're in a situation where you have no other choice but to destroy your republic to save its citizens.

Him and Aramburu basically embodied the benevolent dictator trope.

Im saying this as A South America. I would rather my home country have had two or three consecutive Pinochets than a single democratically elected Nestor Kirchner or his terrorist wife.

Any Venezuelan in the US right now wishes there was a Venezuelan Pinochet..

@Bacle don't lecture South Americans on South American history most of us who live in the US wish the military would drone strike parades to say nothing of what I heard so many of us demand Trump do during the "summer of love".



You're wrong...every American Nation is a white Nation, even Brazil.

The difference, the thing that makes the Americas superior to Europe is that whites created a series of cultures that could absorb anyone here and modify them and make them American.

It eliminated race as a central need.

But to deny that it was all kinds of whites setting aside their mutual racism against themselves to build a bunch of superior cultures that could absorb anyone is a little silly.

The whole meaning behind E Ploribus Unam is unification through culture.

But denying the genesis of that always seems self defeating and self hating.
One thing a lot of critics of libertarianism in its modern form seems to forget is that Lolberts, aren't libertarians. They're more like liberals who hate paying taxes.

A great example of that is the NAP debate I'm and of itself. Most people forget the "founders" of the philosophy were totally okay with Pinochet doing what he did and supported Shek and Videla to an extent as well. And seemed perfectly content to make personal sacrifices and support cargo planes for commies into the nearest large body of water.

Ie: their concept of the NAP included a clause that recognized that you only needed to abide by it when dealing with people who followed it and that you absolutely should be preemptive in your defensive measures when addressing communism.

This has been a good debate and I'll read the pages in greater depth later but I wanted to add that bit because I think the distinction should be taken into consideration when addressing Libertarianism.
Friedman being willing to back Pinochet because he viewed the Chilean Junta as the best way to keep the market free and thus materially liberate Chile is a rather cynical example of that.
When they make Youtube videos calling for Americans to rise up and begin exterminating "Degenerates, Shills, Bankers and mongrels"?

Although it's amusing for a Dominican to call anyone a mongrel...I'm pretty confident when the guys who started the massacre use Peron/Pinochet talking points and are overwhelmingly supported not just by Dominicans but other islanders?

Yeah.



Hardly false, your salvation lies in those of us who are willing to punish the left.

Only a handful of your native born whites have the will to do that, the rest of us though.



Oh guess which demographic overwhelmingly supports that.

Venezuelans apparently.

I guess all those soccer moms voting for Chavez really turned them off giving women and servants the franchise.

Hilariously Ecuadorians are as well. Though they vote overwhelmingly democrat, even Ecuadorian feminists think women should get back into the kitchen. Funny how that works
Taking a Devil's advocate position on this, since I don't really care about homosexuality. Except that any conservative who calls him or herself ta conservative and claims to stand for the Protestant derived and heavily religiously influenced (For god sakes, the reason why so much of Asia and Africa are Christian is due to American evangelists and tambourine shakers. Billy Graham may as well be remembered as the man who converted a continent...) values upon which the United States of America was founded and doesn't vehemently oppose the lgbt isn't conservative at all and should just join me on the New Right Wingthat's forming in America. Because one of the biggest reasons there's such a push for new and more aggressive, conservative free versions of an America right isn't because Americans are progressive socially...nahhh

It's because conservatives are failures who surrendered this country to deconstructivist thought.

Any way...back to my devil's advocate argument. That is not an absurdity, the bulk of Child sexual abuse and domestic violence occurs in LGBT households and some of the most recent, public examples of pedophiles with power have been homosexual men. Epstein, Hunter Biden and the Podesta brother's aside.

Simply put. The alphabet soup has a profoundly serious problem with grooming and sexual assault. It's why Gen Z's defacto response to militant LGBT people on twitter is "Okay Groomer" christ you even see gay and lesbian Zoomers saying this.

This a problem that isn't going away and it's utterly incompatible with conservative thinking. And honestly, its at odds with nationalism to a degree as well. Point is..you're stawmanning @FriedCFour and doing such a poor job of it, you're proving his overarching point and accentuating the theme of his argument.

On a personal level...My stance is this

"Do you hate Cultural Marxism, deconstructivist thought and cultural decay?"

"Are you a supporter of the American Culture? Do you believe that the west and its values should be preserved above all else? Are you willing to fight tooth and nail to forever remove the left from power for the sake of future generations of America?"

If the answer is Yes....I don't care who you fuck, welcome aboard!

But I don't call myself conservative. I'm right wing.

But I ain't an Egyptian priest trying to mummify a corpse that's been ravaged by buzzards.



This is a dog whistle not a response.



Bruh...You guys can't even muster up the courage to defend Pedro Eugenio Aramburu and Agosto Pinochet despite the founders of Libertarian ideology being totally okay with the idea of throwing Marxists out of Cargo Planes.

You can't even follow your own ideology, don't try and coopt the Groypers and the Paleocons...

Also, Michelle Malkin is sexier and crazier than you'll ever be..so you ain't beat'n that.

But you probably should also avoid that with a ten foot pole View attachment 525






Now, now don't confuse modern Lolberts for Libertarians. The rough draft for the original concept behind the NAP involved being able to point your own personal nuclear ICBM's at your local city hall if you felt they went too far. The founding fathers of Libertarianism were amazing..They were basically mad Max villains and they were based as shit.

The pale imitations that followed them..are...well a tragedy.




Equality under the law has never meant "the law should be used to force social egineering" the law is supposed to recognize agreed upon social tenants..and protect the common man but little else.





There is merit in this approach. People forget, a lot of the sodomy laws on the docket made it illegal for a husband and wife to engage in oral sex as much as it made it illegal for two men or two women to do it. In their own homes no less...

That they were applied and enforced only one way, tells you how disastrous it is when a bunch of bureaucrats legislate morality.

It's just bad business to let the least of us, dictate how we should live. Especially, when most of those public servants are either Low IQ or sexual depraved any way.
I read what you wrote since this forum began, and you brought Pinochet into the political conversation on this forum long, long before I ever mentioned him.
 

49ersfootball

Well-known member
Yeah, that has never been my position on Trump, ever.

In fact I've been calling the guy a 90s Democrat since 2011 and have mostly just been laughing my ass off at how it took a New York lefty to bail the GOP out due to its own ineffectual weakness.

I dont support Trump because I think he's gonna save America. Far from it, I supported the guy because of the sheer damage he's done to the legitimacy of the two party system and because he's consistently tried to undermine strong central authority.

You can't be pro Junta and want the Federal Government reduced to its pre-ACW levels of toothlessness.

You really need to read the shit I post instead of just strawmanning me and using me as a catch all boogeyman.
This escalated quickly.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

Well-known member
Hetman
I read what you wrote since this forum began, and you brought Pinochet into the political conversation on this forum long, long before I ever mentioned him.

No you evidently didn't since you missed the context, whether deliberate or otherwise...I don't know.

Pinochet was absolutely someone to be admired if you're in a situation where you have no other choice but to destroy your republic to save its citizens.

Him and Aramburu basically embodied the benevolent dictator trope.

Im saying this as A South America. I would rather my home country have had two or three consecutive Pinochets than a single democratically elected Nestor Kirchner or his terrorist wife.

Any Venezuelan in the US right now wishes there was a Venezuelan Pinochet..

@Bacle don't lecture South Americans on South American history most of us who live in the US wish the military would drone strike parades to say nothing of what I heard so many of us demand Trump do during the "summer of love".

IE; if you've lived under continuous leftist insurgency, where they're bombing hospitals, shooting babies (literally impaling them on Bayonets and marching their corpses around in the streets. This happened in Santiago De Chile and in Quilmes in Argentina respectively and in Spain decades prior) then yes, you're going to admire right wing strong men.

As I said, if the alternative was 3 terms of someone worse than Biden then yeah, I would rather said strong man than not.

Guess what Trump isn't?

A right winger, or a strong man...So that's you, once again strawmanning me and doing a shitty job of it.

Let's move onto your next example.

A great example of that is the NAP debate I'm and of itself. Most people forget the "founders" of the philosophy were totally okay with Pinochet doing what he did and supported Shek and Videla to an extent as well. And seemed perfectly content to make personal sacrifices and support cargo planes for commies into the nearest large body of water.

Literally has nothing to do with Donald Trump and was more an indictment of modern Libertarians pussy footing around the fact that Milton Friedman was kinda okay with Cargo Planes for commies.

And that was lame Bacle, that was impressively out of left field and had nothing to do with anything but my amusement at modern lolberts.

Let's go to the next one on your list.


Although it's amusing for a Dominican to call anyone a mongrel...I'm pretty confident when the guys who started the massacre use Peron/Pinochet talking points and are overwhelmingly supported not just by Dominicans but other islanders?

Damn, I don't see a single message about Trump, the Republican Party, or defense of Pinochet...In fact I think that was about how Latin and Anglo/Franco Islands tend to be rather racist and hilariously violent when it comes to groups like BLM and I was remarking on their use of South American Fascist talking points.

This was staggeringly disconnected with what you accused me of.

Now, onto the next highlighted excerpt you've erroneously used to bolster the accusation here.

Bruh...You guys can't even muster up the courage to defend Pedro Eugenio Aramburu and Agosto Pinochet despite the founders of Libertarian ideology being totally okay with the idea of throwing Marxists out of Cargo Planes.

Oh look, I'm pointing a moral and logical error in modern Libertarian thinking again.

You'll notice a distinct lack of "Trump is a strong man! Ree helicopters!" there...In fact you'll note a distinct lack of any of that or really even a defense beyond "you have no fucking idea what you're talking about...this is how these people see it"...from me.


And you do this, you and some of the boomers on this site a lot, where if a person isn't mindlessly repeating some MSM/Globohomo/Coldwar era talking point then they're unequivocally endorsing a thing. It's a kind of left wing cognitive dissonance that even some of the older conservatives get up too.

It implies a total and complete inability to see nuance.

And I'm left to conclude that you're either deliberately targeting me, lying about me and stopping just short of calling me a Nazi and "Teeh heee" style smugposting behind the rules.

Or you're just incapable of reasoning politically beyond a high school level.

edit- For the record...AND IT'S BULLSHIT THAT I HAVE TO SAY THIS YET AGAIN! I've always maintained that the Juntas of South America, Africa and Spain and China/Taiwan were a reaction to extreme leftist violence, that in their desperation, the citizens of those countries turned to a much meaner, often crazier clique of people because they got angry and they wanted it all to stop. They just wanted quiet streets and didn't care how they got them.

That in doing this, they often got into bed with monsters...Francisco Macais killed half the male population of his country, Videla literally hung out with devil worshippers and murdered 20,000 innocent teenagers to kill 10,000 guilty commies...He set up literal rape camps in my hometown of La Plata to "Breed leftism out of the masses" and then trafficked the rape babies..Using the current Pope (Who was playing both sides of the dirty war) I might..add..as his middle man. Even assassinating a Cardinal who was against Bergolio's corruption.

That you would accuse me of defending these schizos when I've mostly just shrugged my shoulders and gone "Whelp dems da breaks" is especially perverse because I used to fucking play with my little friends in the god damn courtyard of one of said abandoned rape camps as a tyke.

I have said "Going this route, is like buying a breeding pair of King Cobras and releasing them into your house to take care of some rats". as far as big brained moves go.

And I've fucking repeatedly called Trump a lefty with left-leaning, Carribaen political stances no less.

So you're either still butthurt I think involving ourselves in slavic drama is bullshit and you're lying and roundabout calling me a Nazi to strawman me for your own amusement.

or you've had a fucking cognitive seizure.

Either leave me outta this thread.
 
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The Immortal Watch Dog

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Hetman
The best part is that 90% of the content in the posts you've highlighted is me lowkey shitposting at Fried to rustle his Jimmies...and that's what makes it so amazing.

Of all the fucking posts Blackclap.png

And the one or two that isn't, is me strawmmaning a strawman for yucks...holy fuck :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 

Bacle

When the effort is no longer profitable...
Founder
No you evidently didn't since you missed the context, whether deliberate or otherwise...I don't know.



IE; if you've lived under continuous leftist insurgency, where they're bombing hospitals, shooting babies (literally impaling them on Bayonets and marching their corpses around in the streets. This happened in Santiago De Chile and in Quilmes in Argentina respectively and in Spain decades prior) then yes, you're going to admire right wing strong men.

As I said, if the alternative was 3 terms of someone worse than Biden then yeah, I would rather said strong man than not.

Guess what Trump isn't?

A right winger, or a strong man...So that's you, once again strawmanning me and doing a shitty job of it.

Let's move onto your next example.



Literally has nothing to do with Donald Trump and was more an indictment of modern Libertarians pussy footing around the fact that Milton Friedman was kinda okay with Cargo Planes for commies.

And that was lame Bacle, that was impressively out of left field and had nothing to do with anything but my amusement at modern lolberts.

Let's go to the next one on your list.




Damn, I don't see a single message about Trump, the Republican Party, or defense of Pinochet...In fact I think that was about how Latin and Anglo/Franco Islands tend to be rather racist and hilariously violent when it comes to groups like BLM and I was remarking on their use of South American Fascist talking points.

This was staggeringly disconnected with what you accused me of.

Now, onto the next highlighted excerpt you've erroneously used to bolster the accusation here.



Oh look, I'm pointing a moral and logical error in modern Libertarian thinking again.

You'll notice a distinct lack of "Trump is a strong man! Ree helicopters!" there...In fact you'll note a distinct lack of any of that or really even a defense beyond "you have no fucking idea what you're talking about...this is how these people see it"...from me.


And you do this, you and some of the boomers on this site a lot, where if a person isn't mindlessly repeating some MSM/Globohomo/Coldwar era talking point then they're unequivocally endorsing a thing. It's a kind of left wing cognitive dissonance that even some of the older conservatives get up too.

It implies a total and complete inability to see nuance.

And I'm left to conclude that you're either deliberately targeting me, lying about me and stopping just short of calling me a Nazi and "Teeh heee" style smugposting behind the rules.

Or you're just incapable of reasoning politically beyond a high school level.

edit- For the record...AND IT'S BULLSHIT THAT I HAVE TO SAY THIS YET AGAIN! I've always maintained that the Juntas of South America, Africa and Spain and China/Taiwan were a reaction to extreme leftist violence, that in their desperation, the citizens of those countries turned to a much meaner, often crazier clique of people because they got angry and they wanted it all to stop. They just wanted quiet streets and didn't care how they got them.

That in doing this, they often got into bed with monsters...Francisco Macais killed half the male population of his country, Videla literally hung out with devil worshippers and murdered 20,000 innocent teenagers to kill 10,000 guilty commies...He set up literal rape camps in my hometown of La Plata to "Breed leftism out of the masses" and then trafficked the rape babies..Using the current Pope (Who was playing both sides of the dirty war) I might..add..as his middle man. Even assassinating a Cardinal who was against Bergolio's corruption.

That you would accuse me of defending these schizos when I've mostly just shrugged my shoulders and gone "Whelp dems da breaks" is especially perverse because I used to fucking play with my little friends in the god damn courtyard of one of said abandoned rape camps as a tyke.

I have said "Going this route, is like buying a breeding pair of King Cobras and releasing them into your house to take care of some rats". as far as big brained moves go.

And I've fucking repeatedly called Trump a lefty with left-leaning, Carribaen political stances no less.

So you're either still butthurt I think involving ourselves in slavic drama is bullshit and you're lying and roundabout calling me a Nazi to strawman me for your own amusement.

or you've had a fucking cognitive seizure.

Either leave me outta this thread.
I never said you thought Trump was Pinochet, I said you brought Pinochet up as an example of what sort of Right Wing authoritarian you have said you thought was justified for the US to pursue and seemed annoyed Trump wasn't more like Pinochet.

And I provided the recites to show you do tend to lean on Pinochet as a rhetorical/historical figure that you seem to think is a 'better' situation than we have now.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Hetman
I never said you thought Trump was Pinochet, I said you brought Pinochet up as an example of what sort of Right Wing authoritarian you have said you thought was justified for the US to pursue and seemed annoyed Trump wasn't more like Pinochet.

And I provided the recites to show you do tend to lean on Pinochet as a rhetorical/historical figure that you seem to think is a 'better' situation than we have now.

And you were wrong and or misrepresented my posts

Big surprise!
 

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