Crossover The Daemon Primarchs get transported to Star Wars - verse.

[Tyzuris]

So assume that Daemon Primarchs along with their holdings and resources and troops are transported to Star Wars - verse at the start of the CloneWars.

How will this affect the Galaxy Far Far Away?

Assume that the Warp will also exist in Star Wars - verse and so will Chaos Gods.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

So assume that Daemon Primarchs along with their holdings and resources and troops are transported to Star Wars - verse at the start of the CloneWars.

How will this affect the Galaxy Far Far Away?

Assume that the Warp will also exist in Star Wars - verse and so will Chaos Gods.

In one sentence? The Galaxy is screwed.

For starters, Khorne will get a head-start by attempting to let the Clone War spiral out of control, Palpatine's manipulations be damned. Of course, that would lead to Tzeetch supporting Palpatine. The hutts will end up in a three side civil war as Slaanesh and Nurgle struggle to take their realm for themselves, with the third side desperately fighting to keep Chaos outside.

And that's discounting the Traitor-Primarchs. With the Primarchs, you will have Angron rampaging from system to system, wherever his rage takes him. He's the least worrisome of the lot as he's more a screaming raging force of nature than a person. Lorgar will take up an unholy crusade to spread the word of Chaos Undivided. Magnus might continue to stay hidden in his tower, while his troops start plundering everything they can get their hands on to further their knowledge on both the Warp and what new Galaxy they found themselves in. Fulgrim and Mortarion will wage war under the orders of their masters in the Hutt part of the galaxy.

All this might force the Republic, the Seperatists, and Palpatine to pool their resources to fight them off, but it's not going to be easy.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Yeah, inserting the Warp, four somewhat omnipotent beings and their safe space into a universe cold sounds like a pretty solid recipe for an Eldar level extinction event when it comes to the Star Wars galaxy in regards to this thread. Star Wars doesn't really prominently feature Chaos God and Warp level shenanigans all that much. The Force as a thing in Star Wars might permeate everywhere, but it's never been shown to take on an active state like Warp/Chaos energies do.

 

[Tyzuris]

Yeah, inserting the Warp, four somewhat omnipotent beings and their safe space into a universe cold sounds like a pretty solid recipe for an Eldar level extinction event when it comes to the Star Wars galaxy in regards to this thread. Star Wars doesn't really prominently feature Chaos God and Warp level shenanigans all that much. The Force as a thing in Star Wars might permeate everywhere, but it's never been shown to take on an active state like Warp/Chaos energies do.

How about if we remove the Chaos gods' ability to directly influece thigs and instead only allow them to guide and give orders to Daemon Primarchs?

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, inserting the Warp, four somewhat omnipotent beings and their safe space into a universe cold sounds like a pretty solid recipe for an Eldar level extinction event when it comes to the Star Wars galaxy in regards to this thread. Star Wars doesn't really prominently feature Chaos God and Warp level shenanigans all that much. The Force as a thing in Star Wars might permeate everywhere, but it's never been shown to take on an active state like Warp/Chaos energies do.

It actually might push back to respond to the threat to life. Indeed, I would argue that would be inherent in the force.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

How about if we remove the Chaos gods' ability to directly influece thigs and instead only allow them to guide and give orders to Daemon Primarchs?

They are still beings of great physical & psychic power, intellect, fighting skill and charisma or personal presence

They would wreck the galaxy, even without their legions, they could probably recruit armies even without chaotic corruption

 

[Deleted member]

This scenario makes me think a little of the plot of the Oath of Empire books by Thomas Harlan, just set in Star Wars instead of a Thaumaturgical late Roman society.

 

[Navarro]

The big problem with the daemon Primarchs is that SW can only banish them temporarily. Eventually - be it years or centuries - they'll be back. They're essentially a permanent threat.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Yeah that's the annoying bit with the Warp and all. They're more stubborn then Sith spirits.

 

[Human Primacy]

I suppose it depends on how you establish the force and the warp. Having two kinds of space magic seems odd. If they basically become the same phenomenon, then the galaxy is in trouble just from the addition of the warp and the ruinous powers.

Star Wars might hold off a little better than some, because concern with the dark side is already a thing. I remember back before tumblr an hero'd, someone asked me on my blog if saiyans could survive in 40k (I don't know why they thought I'd be an expert, but whatever), and my thought was similar, in that the corrupting influence of the warp could be catastrophic if applied to users of space magic that previously had no such risks. The jedi do live a monk like existence as part of their protection from the dark side. But chaos is not the dark side. My impression was that the dark side is like the temptations inside yourself, the desire to use your power at the expense of others' wellbeing. There's some overlap, but chaos is a lot proactive. There's intelligent forces trying to use you to further their own ends, even if they use your own desires to get a foothold.

Expect all dark side force users to fall to chaos pretty much immediately. Expect a lot of those that aren't to do so as well. I don't know if this would effect FTL travel, but my guess would be yes. If hyperspace and the warp become the same thing, expect travel between systems to stop pretty abruptly. No Gellar Fields, and no understanding of how to make one is going to make travelling anywhere extremely hazardous.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Yeah that's the main drawback of the Warp. So not only do you have the four omnipotent deities and either one or two superportals which are their unassailable playgrounds from which they can have their timeless safe spaces, plus the seven super powered Daemon Prince Primarchs (who can't die long term) and all of the assets and daemon hosts therein, but the Warp is probably going to interfere strongly with Star Wars hyperspace travel where it's accustomed to have quick and efficient hyperlane travel between most of the inhabited Star Systems. And added onto that whatever wacky Chaos/Psyker energy fallout that might erupt just from their arrival ala the Eldar near extinction event from the birth of Slaanesh.

It'd have to interact with The Force somehow as well which has always been more nebulous and less proactive as an entity then the Warp has. And it's important to note, Knights of the Old Republic lore aside, the orthodox view of the Force is that the Force is Female Light. There is no reference to the Light Side of the Force in the original movies... only the Dark Side of the Force. Fear. Anger. Hate. Conservatism. Those elements.

Warp Chaos apparently isn't evil... but it seems largely indistinguishable from it.

How the Force and the Warp/Chaos interact will be pretty crucial. Are they even compatible? Maybe a Dark Jedi or Sith can be corrupted by Chaos, but will they be able to call upon the Dark Side of the Force and Chaos/Warp fueled sorcery and powers at the same time? Can the Force be manipulated and used and guided as a shield or inoculate against Warp/Chaos stuff? One would presume so since Versus debates typically work under the understanding that things should operate as they do normally unless there is a good reason for it not to (or else why have the discussion?).

Or if the Warp does come into the Star Wars Universe, what would the effects be of having trilions of trillions of worshippers of decidedly non-Chaos entities. Maybe the Force will become more manifest due to the large number of adherents it has... along with whatever other faiths, religions and ideologies that have enough divine mass to coalesce into potential warp entity manifestation. It'd be ironic if some of the Chaos Gods or their power is consumed/evaporated/subsumed by an explosion of new Force based/Star Wars based entities.

How about if we remove the Chaos gods' ability to directly influece thigs and instead only allow them to guide and give orders to Daemon Primarchs?

That'd probably be more competitive for sure. And in which case if Palpatine is influenced by Tzeentch, poor Magnus the Red will have competition for his Daemon Prince exclusivity to Tzeentch. And honestly, I think Tzeentch would prefer Palpatine more as his Daemon Prince supremo.

 

[Navarro]

I don't think hyperspace should necessarily be merged with the Warp - there are certainly methods of FTL travel in 40k that don't touch the Warp or the Webway.

 

[Tyzuris]

Palpatine's an evil shit. He would probably be happy to work for Chaos.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Palpatine's an evil shit. He would probably be happy to work for Chaos.

Yeah. But he'll still want to be the top dog and create his Dark Empire. He wouldn't want any other Daemon Princes getting between him and the top tier. So there will still be rivalry in that respect.

 

[Navarro]

Palpatine strikes me as the type to believe that he's using Chaos and it isn't using him.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Well if the only person above him is a Chaos Deity, I suppose Palpatine wouldn't engage in too much sabotaging behavior. Being the ruler of everything beneath the Warp as a Daemon Prince Emperor would be a pretty nice prize and definitely within his apparent ambitions anyhow.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Another thing worth pondering is that if the Warp is transported into the Star Wars Galaxy, could that create new 'Warp Entities.' It's already been discussed with no real resolution on the interactions of 'The Force' and the newly presented Warp, but the Star Wars Galaxy is also easily heavily populated and it's curious to ponder if all of that religion and belief can translate into new deities and sources of Warp Sorcery.

Palpatine might not have to serve a Chaos Deity if he becomes the Deity and becoming Godlike has always been a plan of his anyhow. This might've made it more readily accessible.

 

[Agent23]

This is not Rodent Wars, which is very sad, but I hated the clone ears spinoffs and TPM and to lesser extent AotC, too.
Let us be honest to ourselves, AotC eas only watchable because of Natalie Portman's ass in skintight clothing as well as some ok-ish fights.

As said before, the galaxy is screwed sideways.

The only joker on the deck might be the force and how it interacts with the Warp, and how powerful the Chaos gods of GFFA might be.

 

[Husky_Khan]

This is not Rodent Wars, which is very sad, but I hated the clone ears spinoffs and TPM and to lesser extent AotC, too.
Let us be honest to ourselves, AotC eas only watchable because of Natalie Portman's ass in skintight clothing as well as some ok-ish fights.

As said before, the galaxy is screwed sideways.

The only joker on the deck might be the force and how it interacts with the Warp, and Joe powerful the Chaos gods of GFFA might be.

Your insightful analysis is only matched by your increasingly Zachowon levels of grammar.

 

[King Arts]

Even if the primarchs can’t be permanent killed that doesn’t mean they can’t be put down indefinitely. The warp does not exist in Star Wars so to make this crossover work there is no need to make the warp and the barrier between the materiium and immaterium as weak as 40k. After all there are places in 40k and times where reality is stable and chaos literally has no power. Since there is no eye of terror in Star Wars once the demon primarchs are killed they won’t be able to easily cross back into reality.