What If? The gate opens in movie Starship Troopers.

Agent23

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Just when you thought that your resident ROB/ASB is done trolling Hardy and the long-suffering Saderans, the damned omnipotent prankster decides to send the little Gate to Starship Troopers Tokyo right around the time of the first Klendathu assault.

How much entertainment value will be extracted out of this wonderful little mess, and how long until the Movie SST Federation to subdue Falmart?
 

Bear Ribs

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I dunno, one of the things I noticed about GATE was that every time a genuine heavy hitter who could have actually hurt Japan showed up, like Rory or Tuka, they tended to immediately defect and join Itami's harem instead of actually doing anything against the ISDF.

Absent a harem protagonist with that effect, the StarShip Troopers are actually going to be in trouble. They suffered pretty heavy casualties against bugs that had no ranged combat abilities so medieval infantry would logically have a fair chance of closing in and bringing them to action with arrows and spears. That's just the ordinary humans, assuming she doesn't somehow fall for Rico for some reason Rory would carve a bloody swath through entire platoons at a time and while GATE magic isn't especially impressive, at the least we see Tuka throwing fireballs around so they have some grenade-equivalents and area effects available.
 

Agent23

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My first thought:
Nuke'em, Rico!

GATE is nuked, napalmed ("Death from above!") by fighta-bommas and machineguned to death.
I am pretty sure that the consensus in Gate was that even if they nuke it from orbit it would respond someplace else, also Movie SST, especially early 1st movie SST was hardly fond of such stuff as sound strategic thinking.
 

ATP

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I dunno, one of the things I noticed about GATE was that every time a genuine heavy hitter who could have actually hurt Japan showed up, like Rory or Tuka, they tended to immediately defect and join Itami's harem instead of actually doing anything against the ISDF.

Absent a harem protagonist with that effect, the StarShip Troopers are actually going to be in trouble. They suffered pretty heavy casualties against bugs that had no ranged combat abilities so medieval infantry would logically have a fair chance of closing in and bringing them to action with arrows and spears. That's just the ordinary humans, assuming she doesn't somehow fall for Rico for some reason Rory would carve a bloody swath through entire platoons at a time and while GATE magic isn't especially impressive, at the least we see Tuka throwing fireballs around so they have some grenade-equivalents and area effects available.

Legion armour do not helped against bullets.The same going for demihumans and mages.But,ogres could get close and kill some soldiers.
Aside from that,SST would keep winning.

P.S what is bad with Rico as harem protagonist?
 

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I dunno, one of the things I noticed about GATE was that every time a genuine heavy hitter who could have actually hurt Japan showed up, like Rory or Tuka, they tended to immediately defect and join Itami's harem instead of actually doing anything against the ISDF.

Absent a harem protagonist with that effect, the StarShip Troopers are actually going to be in trouble. They suffered pretty heavy casualties against bugs that had no ranged combat abilities so medieval infantry would logically have a fair chance of closing in and bringing them to action with arrows and spears. That's just the ordinary humans, assuming she doesn't somehow fall for Rico for some reason Rory would carve a bloody swath through entire platoons at a time and while GATE magic isn't especially impressive, at the least we see Tuka throwing fireballs around so they have some grenade-equivalents and area effects available.


What? No they wouldn't. The Terran Federation didn't lose their entire army and fleet at Klendathu. They had tons of reserves to call upon. And now the Empire has proven to be hostile. Take a guess what the Federation is going to do. They're going to invade and they're going to conquer it and bring it into the Federation.

Most of the characters like Tuka didn't have any love for the Empire. Infact, its fair to say they despised it as an organization. And provided that the Terran Federation doesn't go indiscriminately killing civilians (For all their Pseudo-Fascist dickery they don't come close to doing stuff like that.) then Rory isn't going to get involved either. And the other apostles will take a back seat to see what the Federation actually does.

Provided if Pina survives, the Federation will likely marry her off to a Sky Marshall or one of their sons in a political wedding to secure some legitimacy in the eyes of the local populace. Then the Federation begins pouring resources into their new holding to bring up the quality of life and consolidate their holdings.
 

Bear Ribs

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Take a guess what the Federation is going to do.
Get killed, most likely. I mean look at this crap.



They drop thousands of troopers with no formation, no organization, not so much as a map between them who just run in the dark until they see something to shoot. Despite them having ranged weapons and the bugs needing to actually bite them to do any damage, they engage at a range of maybe fifteen feet allowing the bugs to do so. At 5:08 they admit outright there's no plan and the NCO? Officer? They're turning to for guidance is pretty much just going "Dur, I got nothing." By 6:10, one minute after they encounter the enemy on the ground, they're panicking and running away after a single casualty, even though the bugs aren't even paying attention at that point and they have clear shots at a range of perhaps fifty feet against massed enemies they can't possibly miss, establishing a harsh upper limit for how far you can expect them to shoot. By around 6:40 they're all running full-tilt and not even doing cover fire for themselves anymore, abandoning the wounded as they shout about retreating to each other because apparently they also lack radios and rely on gossip chains for their OODA loop.

Trained archers and swordsmen are going to go through these idiots like Taco Bell through a College Student's Colon, never mind dragons.
 

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Get killed, most likely. I mean look at this crap.



They drop thousands of troopers with no formation, no organization, not so much as a map between them who just run in the dark until they see something to shoot. Despite them having ranged weapons and the bugs needing to actually bite them to do any damage, they engage at a range of maybe fifteen feet allowing the bugs to do so. At 5:08 they admit outright there's no plan and the NCO? Officer? They're turning to for guidance is pretty much just going "Dur, I got nothing." By 6:10, one minute after they encounter the enemy on the ground, they're panicking and running away after a single casualty, even though the bugs aren't even paying attention at that point and they have clear shots at a range of perhaps fifty feet against massed enemies they can't possibly miss, establishing a harsh upper limit for how far you can expect them to shoot. By around 6:40 they're all running full-tilt and not even doing cover fire for themselves anymore, abandoning the wounded as they shout about retreating to each other because apparently they also lack radios and rely on gossip chains for their OODA loop.

Trained archers and swordsmen are going to go through these idiots like Taco Bell through a College Student's Colon, never mind dragons.



In universe Klendathu is a total fucking disaster. No denying that. They even go so far as using it as an example of what NOT to do. But even that rable would curbstomp the Empire. Guns, artillery, drop ships and Starships make all the difference
 

Aaron Fox

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This would be far better if you use the SST game Terran Ascendancy, which fuses elements of the books with the movie. PA is commonplace (and separated by three types and three classes, with 1st class being monsters and 3rd class being almost as common as dirt).

In addition, it outright states that Klendathu was a major intelligence fuckup, as the Bugs managed to trick the Federation into thinking that they were just giant bugs...
 

Bear Ribs

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This would be far better if you use the SST game Terran Ascendancy, which fuses elements of the books with the movie. PA is commonplace (and separated by three types and three classes, with 1st class being monsters and 3rd class being almost as common as dirt).
Yeah, those guys would be able to win pretty handily.

In addition, it outright states that Klendathu was a major intelligence fuckup, as the Bugs managed to trick the Federation into thinking that they were just giant bugs...
An intelligence fuckup doesn't explain the entire Starship Trooper army routing from two casualties. They literally show signs of panic at the first guy to die and then the entire army flees in terror at the second one That's not an intelligence problem, that's an organizational problem.

And as the later movies make clear, their success later on Klendathu was the bugs rolling over for them and doing what they could to bolster the Federation, so they could get the Brain Bug "captured" and have it start influencing the higher-ups to make them even more vulnerable and steal intelligence.

In universe Klendathu is a total fucking disaster. No denying that. They even go so far as using it as an example of what NOT to do. But even that rable would curbstomp the Empire. Guns, artillery, drop ships and Starships make all the difference
Doubtful. Let's take a look first at "guns."

Here's the flame dragon that killed Hodor behind him. The point of this is to establish how nightmarishly large it is, its individual teeth are larger than Hodor's head and its mouth alone is at least as long as his entire body. Other images bear this out in the same manga chapter. When it swipes its claws through a guy, we see that each individual toe is as large as a human, call it six feet.
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A couple of pages earlier we see the archers firing at the dragon. It receives multiple headshots from the archers, then breathes fire on them. No, this isn't about the dragon fighting the Federation, the Empire doesn't have one anything like this mighty, though we do see their dragonriders take out a helicopter, drop bombs on the JSDF, and generally do more impressive feats than the artillery we see in Starship Troopers.

We're just scaling. The dragon's toes are three pixels long, so each pixel is worth two feet. The diagonal breath attack calcs out to 163 pixels long. Each pixel being thus around two feet, it's breathing fire a distance significantly longer than the length of a football field. A page later the survivors start hitting it in the eyes directly. We can thus reasonably conclude that these archers are hitting it in the head, and their top dudes in the eye, from over 320 feet away.
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There are probably longer ranged archery shots than this in GATE but I didn't bother looking past chapter 3 once I found this one because the Starship Troopers are already outmatched.

We've already seen the range the Starship Troopers like to shoot at from the video above, twenty feet is a long shot and they just give up and don't bother past 50. Their guns won't help because they're so hilariously outranged their entire army will be dead before they get into position to fire. It's worth noting that not one of them in the vid above uses even iron sights, in fact the guns seem to have some stupid carry handle in the middle that precludes sighting at all, which would help explain why they don't even bother shooting past a range normally associated with throwing knives rather than firearms. We do see one long shot in the movie by Razac (although it wouldn't be considered long by our military's standards), with a rifle that has a zooming scope not equipped on any other Trooper's gun indicating that shots past point-blank range require specialized equipment normal troopers don't have access to.

As for artillery and air support, they have to secure the gate before they can even try to send anything like that through, which they'll have trouble managing since their first go-to tactic is human waves of soldiers who break and flee the second they start taking losses. Never mind how they're going to get a starship through the gate. Granted, they can try those things on the army the Empire is sending against them, but that means the Federation is doing orbital bombardments and blowing up their own cities, which I've been assured they won't do in this very thread since it would draw Rory's attention.
 

Agent23

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This would be far better if you use the SST game Terran Ascendancy, which fuses elements of the books with the movie. PA is commonplace (and separated by three types and three classes, with 1st class being monsters and 3rd class being almost as common as dirt).
At some point I should get around to playing that.
However, by the 3rd film even movie SST had some power armor, and in the CGI movies they had pretty advanced, mastercheif-like suits, IIRC.

In addition, it outright states that Klendathu was a major intelligence fuckup, as the Bugs managed to trick the Federation into thinking that they were just giant bugs...
Well, there was also the theory that they did it intentionally, because they are the "evil spacenazis" and all.
No idea why they didn't just glass Klendathu from long range, though.
 

Agent23

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They did. It didn't work. In Traitors of Mars they had to go back to Klendathu if only briefly.
Um, didn't they have a Q-bomb that just make planets go boom?
Sky Marshal unhinged tsundere tried to blow up Mars with one such weapon in the last CGI movie.
 

Aaron Fox

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Yeah, those guys would be able to win pretty handily.
Basically, by the end of the game, most of your team is made up of sargents... who get access to 3rd Class PA (usually 'Maurader' or 'Scout' class)... the only reason you're using body armor at that point is that the capture gun won't fit on PA troops.
An intelligence fuckup doesn't explain the entire Starship Trooper army routing from two casualties. They literally show signs of panic at the first guy to die and then the entire army flees in terror at the second one That's not an intelligence problem, that's an organizational problem.
In the game, the entire first mission failed because of an intelligence fuckup... which led to you going around Terran space putting out incursions or helping out in evacuations (including one of the best escort missions I've played because you can tell your escortees to stop). The moment they found out, they immediately went to 'full retreat' mode.

...the movie on the other hand... well, let's just say I felt something was off the moment I watched it and that got confirmed when I started reading the book...
At some point I should get around to playing that.
Good luck, because you'll need an ISO program and the ISO image of the game because you're not getting it any other way due to the fact that it's abandonware. Works quite well despite forcing it to run on a Windows 10 machine.
 

Agent23

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Good luck, because you'll need an ISO program and the ISO image of the game because you're not getting it any other way due to the fact that it's abandonware. Works quite well despite forcing it to run on a Windows 10 machine.
Lol, you mean like how I used to play all my games before a few years ago and the cryptominer crap and other garbage embedded in cracks became a huge problem. :D
 

ATP

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If SST behaved like in first movie Klendahu invasion/like soviet,but more stupid/,then they really would lost first battle - but,win all later,when they started fight using brains.

So,end result the same - Falmart conqered.
 

Agent23

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If SST behaved like in first movie Klendahu invasion/like soviet,but more stupid/,then they really would lost first battle - but,win all later,when they started fight using brains.

So,end result the same - Falmart conqered.
No question, this thread is more focused on the funny hijinks that will ensue in between those two, hence the "what if" tag.
 

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