I love that scene.
Anyway, I like the idea of the Stargate program being exposed to the Japanese via an SG Team running head first into the Japanese Recon teams. That is all sorts of awkward.
What If? The gate opens in movie Starship Troopers.
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I love that scene.
Anyway, I like the idea of the Stargate program being exposed to the Japanese via an SG Team running head first into the Japanese Recon teams. That is all sorts of awkward.
Becouse american would acces to Falmart even when gods close Gate?
Bear Ribs
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Of all the GATE scenes we've discussed so far I agree, that one has the most potential and would be the most enjoyable to read.
The question becomes, what would the Japanese do with that knowledge?
Agent23
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Extort the USA for starships like Russia did?
They'd also want their share of the tech and resources.
Yeah that was a dick move by the Russians. And the US only tolerated it to keep the Stargate. Japan doesn't have that leverage. And the US isn't going to tolerate an ally doing this too. If Japan wants the technology, they got to contribute to the program. I see the US being Adamant on that.
Agent23
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Dunno, in this situation Japan holds all the cards and the USA and potentially the Russians and the Chinese are both in deep shit.
Also, if you're talking about late-War Federation troops... well, those guys have true powered armour scaled down to being a body-suit, have aim-bot built-in to said suit so they can get perfect headshots at high-range, and have rifles with projectiles that can pierce bug armour so tough they can withstand atmospheric re-entry.
Against large armies with medieval armour? Yeah, it's gonna be like Rorke's Drift, except the British Army regiment there had miniguns instead of rifles.
(Starship Troopers: Invasion and Traitor of Mars are canon to three main films, I, Hero of the Federation, and Marauder -- They're basically IV and V).
Against large armies with medieval armour? Yeah, it's gonna be like Rorke's Drift, except the British Army regiment there had miniguns instead of rifles.
(Starship Troopers: Invasion and Traitor of Mars are canon to three main films, I, Hero of the Federation, and Marauder -- They're basically IV and V).
Agent23
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Timeline-wise this is as per the first assault on Klendathu from the first movie.
Okay, let's follow that logic, shall we? Japan actually doesn't hold as many cards as one would think. The whole Gate fiasco and the how they've managed it by not allowing even a token international force to see the other side has made Japan very unpopular in the eyes of the international community. Aside from CIA douche baggery the US really hasn't done much to put additional pressure to bear. But if Japan tries extortion, then the gloves come off.
This is not helped by the fact that it seems relations between Japan and the US are rocky in the show, when infact they've been fairly good these last few years in RL. Now that's an angle that can be played in the story as it presents opportunities.
Now, according to the JSDF, Japan could survive if they seize the natural resources of Falmart but this poses several problems.
1.) The gate is a huge bottleneck and the constant flow of shipments too and from Falmart would likely be a strain.
2.) Hardy is a fickle Godess. She keeps the gate open because she enjoys the thrashing the JSDF is giving the Empire. What happens when she gets bored of her new toy and closes the gate? JSDF is going to find itself without its new resource cash cow, and now an international pariah. And without the Stargate nor the SGCs fleet, it has no way to sustain its position or get home without asking for US help.
3.) International condemnation. This is especially bad in Asia, many of them who remember the last time Japan started seizing territory and resources for its own good. Especially as Japan is rearming again. There would be a very real concern of Japanese Imperialism that would see most of South East Asia, and especially China become hostile overnight. I'm pretty sure even the Russian Federation would be wary of this too.
4.) Alien threats. If Falmart is in the SG Verse in this story that means it's under threat from the Goa'uld or Ori. And even post Ori there is still the threat of the Lucian Alliance or hostile Jaffa elements. How do you think the JSDF are going to handle an enemy who controls the orbital high ground and csn match if not surpass them in technology and military might? And with no backup from the US to contest orbital Supremacy, it ain't looking good for the Japanese.
Of course all of this is dependent on things going fairly smoothly for Japan on Earth and in Falmart. Remember when it was mentioned that Japan would survive cut off from the international community? Well survive doesnt mean thriving. How long before the Japanese economy tanks? How long before people start losing export markets and lose life savings and national wealth? How long before they're denied food imports? How many hardships will they endure before voting in a new government that will change course? It's not an unreasonable position to consider.
This also of course depends on things in Falmart going smoothly. Zorzal was an idiot and so blatantly obvious you could see what he was doing a mile away. He was also no real threat militarily either. What if the Lucian Alliance decided to support him by giving him weapons and military support? Now suddenly the JSDF find themselves facing a credible threat they can't easily trounce. And now they need help....
...From the very people they tried to extort and blackmail.
And these are just off the top of my head.
Agent23
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Yeah can we move this discussion to a different thread?
Also, I sense the USA whank is strong with this one, but realistically I am sure that a lot of countries would love to see the gate exposed.
If this is early on, when Russia had minimal knowledge of the Stargate, then that would open up a chance for rapprochement between the Russians, the Chinese and the Japanese in the face of the USA having exclusive access to the Stargate.
Also, what are the odds that Japan just goes in and hijacks the Falmart stargate and takes it to Earth?
I mean, it should be pretty easy to drive it over, and it is not like the USA owns it or anything, no?
I am pretty sure that some of the Stargate powers "in the know" would love nothing more than to expose the whole SGC thing and force America to cede some of its control to the UN because they will think that that will diminish the USA's potential advantages and give them more of a say in the matter.
Covertly having Japan blow the lid on things and pretending to be less involved than they were just might work to their advantage.
I am pretty sure that India for example, will be very pissed off if China has had access to the Stargate program and they haven't, and we also have France, Germany, a bunch of other nations that will not be happy if the USA and the Russians and Chinese are potentially hogging all of the tech and resources coming from the Stargate and that they don't have that advantage.
Also, if you look at recent Japanese history, well, their alliance with America is something a number of them dislike, especially in their ruling circles, with a few of their bigger power brokers proposing a rapprochement with China and Russia.
Don't forget who nuked them and dictated their new constitution to them.
Tell you what. Make a new thread with this post as the starting point and we'll go from there.