The (self inflicted) Death of Europe

[Emperor Tippy]

An interview with Douglas Murray on why Europe is dying.

Came across this while browsing for something else and thought it expressed some of the sociological causes of Europe's current situation. It doesn't reach the first order causes that created the sociological issues but it is a good look at the second order effects and worth a listen if you have forty or so minutes.

 

[Erwin_Pommel]

Hm, watched that not too long ago iirc, brought up some interesting points which have only been repeated over and over again by the... Peculiar... Way European governments and firms are handling a decreasing birthrate.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Yep. Europe is already done. Anyone who tries to reverse will be labelled as Nazi and anyway reversal is not possible as school, government and university will not allow it. Even a reversal cannot change the fact that European birthrates are in the shitter and migrants birthrates aren't.

GG Europe.

At least Rome took force to fall. Europe will fall without even raising a punch to defend itself. Can't even raise a punch. No testosterone. Just soy.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

At least Rome took force to fall. Europe will fall without even raising a punch to defend itself. Can't even raise a punch. No testosterone. Just soy.

I’m pretty sure they still can and will raise a punch....to the parts of Europe that reject the guys who are inviting a bunch of Hyper Conservative(NOT economically)Extremely Mysogynistic Theocratic Homophobic demographics who have the advantage of mostly NOT being white and the underdog status from 9/11

Poland just might face a literal invasion in the future, to “liberate” it’s people from it’s “Corrupt Totalitarian Fascistic Nationalistic Conservative Government” that it voted in

 

[Arch Dornan]

I’m pretty sure they still can and will raise a punch....to the parts of Europe that reject the guys who are inviting a bunch of Hyper Conservative(NOT economically)Extremely Mysogynistic Theocratic Homophobic demographics who have the advantage of mostly NOT being white and the underdog status from 9/11

Poland just might face a literal invasion in the future, to “liberate” it’s people from it’s “Corrupt Totalitarian Fascistic Nationalistic Conservative Government” that it voted in

Is this where Russia is then the ally?

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Is this where Russia is then the ally?

Maybe, though I think a good portion of the rest of the world may turn VERY Anti-Islam

China included

I think Tom Kratman accidentally predicted a lot of stuff in his book Caliphate.....though no mega-9/11 with nukes

 

[Arch Dornan]

Maybe, though I think a good portion of the rest of the world may turn VERY Anti-Islam

China included

I think Tom Kratman accidentally predicted a lot of stuff in his book Caliphate.....though no mega-9/11 with nukes

You like talking a lot about Tom Kratman who SB loves to shit talk.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

You like talking a lot about Tom Kratman who SB loves to shit talk.

Currently reading some of his stuff, weird how State of Disobedience is about a Female Hispanic(descent)Texan Governor going up against a Female President who essentially wants to turn the USA into a police state by making more law enforcement departments and arming lots of government departments like the EPA and even their equivalent of DepEd

Spoiler for that book if you haven’t read it

The Female President gets shot by an assassin hired by one of her aides to make her into a Martyr.....it works and now they have an even worse president who was oncer her vice-president.....guy is really even more power hungry and unprincipled

Admittedly for Caliphate, I am sorta skimming it and have skipped even to the end....weird how the “fascist” America over there was really diverse and tolerant

 

[HistoryMinor]

Lol what do we consider "Europe", since when did we include backwards Hungarian peasants in Continental high culture?

 

[Arch Dornan]

Lol what do we consider "Europe", since when did we include backwards Hungarian peasants in Continental high culture?

Time and geography?

 

[FriedCFour]

Lol what do we consider "Europe", since when did we include backwards Hungarian peasants in Continental high culture?

Since they Christianized and westernized and were headed by one of the dominant hegemonic monarchies in all European history and were one of the two dominant political subsections of one of Europe's great imperial powers that lasted from the 16th to the 20th century and who's bloodline directly controlled half of Europe. Since then.

With the peasants specifically? At least since their blood was being shed by the tens of thousands as a frontline bulwark for Western Christendom against the islamic Jihads of the Turkish Caliphate.

 

[HistoryMinor]

Since they Christianized and westernized and were headed by one of the dominant hegemonic monarchies in all European history and were one of the two dominant political subsections of one of Europe's great imperial powers that lasted from the 16th to the 20th century and who's bloodline directly controlled half of Europe. Since then.

With the peasants specifically? At least since their blood was being shed by the tens of thousands as a frontline bulwark for Western Christendom against the islamic Jihads of the Turkish Caliphate.

Or right I forgot, you guys really like the Austro-Hungarian empire and Vlad the Impaler

 

[Deleted member]

Since they Christianized and westernized and were headed by one of the dominant hegemonic monarchies in all European history and were one of the two dominant political subsections of one of Europe's great imperial powers that lasted from the 16th to the 20th century and who's bloodline directly controlled half of Europe. Since then.

With the peasants specifically? At least since their blood was being shed by the tens of thousands as a frontline bulwark for Western Christendom against the islamic Jihads of the Turkish Caliphate.

Long Live the Turul! You should also mention that Hungary has the second oldest Parliamentary tradition in Europe after England's and that the Hungarian Diet, until communism extirpated it, was always a body which stood for constitutionalism and the traditional privileges of the Hungarian state, and did so in a speak of free debate, elections and regular Parliamentary procedure.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Since they Christianized and westernized and were headed by one of the dominant hegemonic monarchies in all European history and were one of the two dominant political subsections of one of Europe's great imperial powers that lasted from the 16th to the 20th century and who's bloodline directly controlled half of Europe. Since then.

With the peasants specifically? At least since their blood was being shed by the tens of thousands as a frontline bulwark for Western Christendom against the islamic Jihads of the Turkish Caliphate.

They must've had the moment of their lives in Vienna when the Ottomans were the big bad menace of the time.

 

[Deleted member]

They must've had the moment of their lives in Vienna when the Ottomans were the big bad menace of the time.

Hungarians found a way to fight and resist all throughout the period... Both in alignment with the Habsburgs and indigenously. Hungary and central Europe would be a radically different place today if the land had not been so utterly wrecked by the time it was liberated from the Ottomans during the counterattack after the 17th century great siege, after a hundred and seventy-five years of bondage.

 

[FriedCFour]

Or right I forgot, you guys really like the Austro-Hungarian empire and Vlad the Impaler

More of a Prussia and Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth fanboy than anything, and I don't have to like them to acknowledge the basic historical fact that Hungary was a highly significant European state for a very long time.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Hungarians found a way to fight and resist all throughout the period... Both in alignment with the Habsburgs and indigenously. Hungary and central Europe would be a radically different place today if the land had not been so utterly wrecked by the time it was liberated from the Ottomans during the counterattack after the 17th century great siege, after a hundred and seventy-five years of bondage.

I can't imagine living under an occupation like that.

But for them it was their moment to deny the Ottomans they're not going further into Europe.

 

[JagerIV]

Lol what do we consider "Europe", since when did we include backwards Hungarian peasants in Continental high culture?

Well, Europe basically begins at the Pillars of Hercules and ends at the Bosporus. This has been true for about 3,000 years. Europeans are generally understood to be people native to the area. Culturally, the West are generally those who trace their political/cultural roots to the Romans and Greeks.

Western cultural control has moved back and forth past the geographic extent: North Africa and Turkey used to be dominated by Western culture, then spain and the Balkans were dominated by Eastern Powers, before being driven off by several hundred years campains with the European lands being reconquered by Western Powers.

I'm not sure what about commonly understood history your complaining about. Would you argue the Spanish are not Western? What about the Russians?

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Well, Europe basically begins at the Pillars of Hercules and ends at the Bosporus. This has been true for about 3,000 years. Europeans are generally understood to be people native to the area. Culturally, the West are generally those who trace their political/cultural roots to the Romans and Greeks.

Western cultural control has moved back and forth past the geographic extent: North Africa and Turkey used to be dominated by Western culture, then spain and the Balkans were dominated by Eastern Powers, before being driven off by several hundred years campains with the European lands being reconquered by Western Powers.

I'm not sure what about commonly understood history your complaining about. Would you argue the Spanish are not Western? What about the Russians?

There is no such thing as Europeans. Europe belongs to everybody.Make sure you understand this bigot 😡

I’m pretty sure they still can and will raise a punch....to the parts of Europe that reject the guys who are inviting a bunch of Hyper Conservative(NOT economically)Extremely Mysogynistic Theocratic Homophobic demographics who have the advantage of mostly NOT being white and the underdog status from 9/11

Poland just might face a literal invasion in the future, to “liberate” it’s people from it’s “Corrupt Totalitarian Fascistic Nationalistic Conservative Government” that it voted in

Possible.

At any rate, one thing I will really find interesting is once native Germans are gone. The no longer immigrants will get rid of all that education about the evils of the Nazis that is heavily taught in Germany I believe. After all, it has nothing to do with them.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

At any rate, one thing I will really find interesting is once native Germans are gone. The no longer immigrants will get rid of all that education about the evils of the Nazis that is heavily taught in Germany I believe. After all, it has nothing to do with them.

Then what history will they study?

Also, I think they would instead become a minority

Majority will convert and the richest will be married into or something similar.....wonder if they will maintain the high tax rates and social programs