Stargate Through the Looking Glass and into Heaven.

Jouaint

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Most civilizations probably make the conversion to energy weaponry because of the logistics of energy weapons being "cheaper" than bullets.

A lot of them are finding out that doesn't necessarily mean that bullets aren't worse than pulses at killing your enemies.
It's the same thing that screwed over the Asgard versus the replicators, not realizing that the replicators couldn't adapt to kinetic weapons as well as to more pure energy weapons. One of the things I love about this story is that you are really good at writing from the perspective of the viewpoint character and so who ever is the current one we see things through all their biases and knowledge.

I personally can't wait to see what happens when Jack stumbles on the Ancient repository that is definitely going to have a lot more consequences in this universe when a lot of people are going to realize that probably shouldn't have happened.

By the way do the Goa'uld have anything like the Ori Supergate from the canon timeline?
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Hetman
It's the same thing that screwed over the Asgard versus the replicators, not realizing that the replicators couldn't adapt to kinetic weapons as well as to more pure energy weapons. One of the things I love about this story is that you are really good at writing from the perspective of the viewpoint character and so who ever is the current one we see things through all their biases and knowledge.

Thank you! That can sometimes slow my updates down, but I hope it's worth it.

As to the Asgard issue, yeah and you knew it had to gal Thor to admit that because he was definitely one of the foremost experts on warfare in the whole damn universe and even he couldn't conceive of "throw hard shit at the enemy very, very fast".

To paraphrase a certain shitposter on another site "the SGCs military doctrine can be summed up as "hit a big brain with a rock" and it's clearly the most effective military strategy out there." :ROFLMAO:
I personally can't wait to see what happens when Jack stumbles on the Ancient repository that is definitely going to have a lot more consequences in this universe when a lot of people are going to realize that probably shouldn't have happened.

That will be hilarious, though I may have his wormhole go somewhere unexpected.

Only Hathor and Ra really believed humans had the potential to be a great race. Egeria and Promtheus too but they are dead and Ra feared that potential instead of trying to make friends with it like Hathor wants to.

It's gonna be a wake up call to the cosmos that the new kids on the block may end up major players soon.


By the way do the Goa'uld have anything like the Ori Supergate from the canon timeline?

They do, hyperspace relay gates that bypass all the subspace damage the Furling expy of this setting created fighting the Ancients.

The Houses of the System Lord collect nice residual checks from the toll fees on that of course.

And they also have Galaxy gates that industrial sized stargates for commercial purposes.

Remember the Imperium covers a good chunk of 3 Galaxies and the Jaffa priests evangelize all over the dann universe. Spreading the Imperial cult and culture and eventually commerce follows after.

Which is why Omoc insults the Abydonians for engaging in "Lotarism"

The Goa'uld were a bit smarter here in how they did things.
 

Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
True! And they could certainly afford to hire the talent to teach them how to build those systems since their planets exotic life means it's got a license to print money.

Unlike Canon where no one took advantage of that.
Albeit they need to make sure that they keep controlling the supply for as long as humanly possible.

On another note even if the Tau'ri fleet is made of a lot of different looking hull forms and designs to fulfill the many different needed rolls its absolutely vital that they maintain as much parts commonality as possible or it will drive building and maintenance costs through the roof.

Also I have a good proposals for what the large cruiser/light battlecruiser equivalent of the Tau'ri fleet should look like; The Nebula class Star destroyer and the MC90 Star Cruiser.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Hetman
The nebula is a pleasing design, also deadly as hell.

I'm still debating on the overall fleet composition if it will be more battleships to carriers and missile ships or what have you.
 

Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
The nebula is a pleasing design, also deadly as hell.

I'm still debating on the overall fleet composition if it will be more battleships to carriers and missile ships or what have you.
A balanced fleet is probably the best idea. A fleet over specialized for one job can't do others. That being said building ships smaller than 304s for the foreseeable future other than as transports or the equivalent of subs is likely a bad idea since Quality is need over quantity.
Also I have a good quote for what one Jaffa First Prime thinks of Tau'ri starship designs.
"There is no such thing as a single design style for Tau'ri designs. This being said the designs are all incredibly dangerous when alone and stupendously lethal when in groups as they compensate for each other's weaknesses and amplify their strengths."
 

Brutus

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Hetman
The nebula is a pleasing design, also deadly as hell.

I'm still debating on the overall fleet composition if it will be more battleships to carriers and missile ships or what have you.

Don't forget logistics vessels. Sure you can put a Stargate on a battleship for resupply but having a dedicated ship would work out better if an enemy can track a wormhole.

Speaking of stargates. Giant siege class particle beam weapons platform. Your not fighting just a ship... Your fighting an entire base filled with power plants... Or a Dyson swarm around a star..
 

The Whispering Monk

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Osaul
Don't forget logistics vessels. Sure you can put a Stargate on a battleship for resupply but having a dedicated ship would work out better if an enemy can track a wormhole.

Speaking of stargates. Giant siege class particle beam weapons platform. Your not fighting just a ship... Your fighting an entire base filled with power plants... Or a Dyson swarm around a star..
Mount the Stargate externally to the ship...so that any 'incoming' energy can be directed by the vessel! Instant SDF-1 Superlaser!!!!
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Hetman
Don't forget logistics vessels. Sure you can put a Stargate on a battleship for resupply but having a dedicated ship would work out better if an enemy can track a wormhole.

Yeah I think that's one of the first things they'll be asking civilians to design once they bring more private entities on board.

Working freight haulers for their burgeoning colonies and for the space force and of course their own trade interests.

They're also gonna commandeer a few freight ships from System Lords or their minor nobility that act the fool.
Speaking of stargates. Giant siege class particle beam weapons platform. Your not fighting just a ship... Your fighting an entire base filled with power plants... Or a Dyson swarm around a star..

Yeah, that was awesome. And they'll probably end up facing weapons like that down the line because its too simplistic and efficient to ignore.

There are probably the equivalent of nuke treaties that self regulate or ban the big dogs from deploying weapons like that but there's no reason to think that say the Tollan or another such race wouldn't find a way around that or take advantage of their anonymity to do it.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Hetman
Though in this setting where the Gates are all part of a huge network that is in part maintained at a central hub it probably means things like that can be detected and remote shutdown as long as you can get a hold of the Jaffa or Snake equivalent of a phone company guy. Or the system is designed to detect that and deactivate wormholes automatically.

Which I suppose would depend on the usual error and laziness of your average cable repairman or on the possession of working ftl communication so you could call them up if the system doesn't work.

Something that a lot of primitive worlds don't have. Earth especially.
 
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The Immortal Watch Dog

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Hetman
Hmm...can the program hire David Weber to help plan tech development goals? :p

Hah! I have a feeling they'll use a lot of sci fi concepts.

I may have Carter, McKay and Nerus design something similar to Andromeda's Rosie.

Three mad scientists and an unlimited budget and spurred on by a shitpost from Ba'al.

"Oh please, if the Tau’Ri can design something worse than a singularity bomb I'll buy you a planet."

Ba'al thinking of how to use them to kill his enemies and how to do a tax write off at the same time :ROFLMAO:
 
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