Thus Buzzes the Babylon Bee

[Bear Ribs]

How about no! Does no work for you? Because it works for me.

If you leave education up to just parents and churches instead of professionals you'll get a lot people reaching adulthood with barely any formal education whatsoever past knowing how to read the religious texts their parent's place of worship uses.

At least they'll be able to read something?

New Oregon law allows students to graduate high school even if they cannot read, write, or do math at a high school level, because "equity"

Ladies and gentlemen, Antifa members will now be able to graduate high school in Oregon:

notthebee.com

 

[bintananth]

At least they'll be able to read something?

New Oregon law allows students to graduate high school even if they cannot read, write, or do math at a high school level, because "equity"

Ladies and gentlemen, Antifa members will now be able to graduate high school in Oregon:

notthebee.com

I'd need to read the actual law because Not The Bee is about as reliable and accurate as tabloids like the Daily Fail or The National Enquirer are when the story isn't just them making shit up and pretending it's not fiction.

 

[Bear Ribs]

I'd need to read the actual law because Not The Bee is about as reliable and accurate as tabloids like the Daily Fail or The National Enquirer are when the story isn't just them making shit up and pretending it's not fiction.

Ah, so what news do you accept?

MSN?

Oregon governor signs bill ending reading and math proficiency requirements for graduation

The FBA?

Oregon governor signs new law removing graduation standards for reading, writing, and math proficiency

Oregon Governor Kate Brown signed a bill allowing students to graduate high school without standard proficiency in reading, writing, and math. Senate Bill 744 is an extension of education legislati…

fbanews.org

Oregon local TV stations?

Oregon lawmakers vote to suspend graduation testing requirement pending review

The Oregon House voted on Monday to delay the 'Essential Skills' requirement for seniors through the 2023-2024 school year while education officials review graduation requirements.

www.kdrv.com

Oregon.Gov?

Oregon Department of Education : Essential Skills Graduation Requirement : Essential Skills : State of Oregon

The Nine Essential Skills are cross-disciplinary skills that students should be developing across grades K- 12.

www.oregon.gov

... students will not be required to show proficiency in Essential Skills as a condition of receiving a high school diploma during the 2021-2022, 2022-2023, and 2023-2024 school years.

 

[ATP]

How about no! Does no work for you? Because it works for me.

If you leave education up to just parents and churches instead of professionals you'll get a lot people reaching adulthood with barely any formal education whatsoever past knowing how to read the religious texts their parent's place of worship uses.

Catholics schools on entire world says something else.
And even if that was true - better honest ignorants than sexual deviant ignorants after modern school who do not knew that 2+2=4,but belive themselves great thinkers,becouse they have lgbt+52 course.

 

[bintananth]

Catholics schools on entire world says something else.
And even if that was true - better honest ignorants than sexual deviant ignorants after modern school who do not knew that 2+2=4,but belive themselves great thinkers,becouse they have lgbt+52 course.

Oh, I went to Catholic schools growing up and my kids currently go to Catholic schools. My eldest's HS tuition is a little less than $20,000US.

Most families can't afford that.

NOTE: Global per capita GDP is about $12,000US

 

[Bacle]

Oh, I went to Catholic schools growing up and my kids currently go to Catholic schools. My eldest's HS tuition is a little less than $20,000US.

Most families can't afford that.

That's an argument to make private schools cheaper, and for school choice voucher's so the state covers tuition.

It's also an argument for homeschooling co-opts as an alternative to Leftist ciriculums in public schools.

 

[Abhishekm]

I mean not having to be able to read or write to pass kinda doesn't set a very high standard here.

 

[Robovski]

I mean, at a stroke they just devalued "graduating" from high school in the state of Oregon as it's no longer an academic certification and just a certificate of completion of a term of attendance. GED looking better all the time.

 

[LordsFire]

How about no! Does no work for you? Because it works for me.

If you leave education up to just parents and churches instead of professionals you'll get a lot people reaching adulthood with barely any formal education whatsoever past knowing how to read the religious texts their parent's place of worship uses.

State schools are on average more expensive, and less effective at actually teaching. Entrenchment from teacher's unions has also actively retarded attempts to improve education for decades, on top of being signifanctly responsible for it going downhill so much in the first place.

Government schools have all of the classic problems of monopolies, with the added bonus of taking your money by force even if you don't want to use their 'service.'

Don't get me wrong. There are some good teachers, and some good schools, out there. But that's in spite of the system, not because of it.

 

[bintananth]

That's an argument to make private schools cheaper, and for school choice voucher's so the state covers tuition.

Private school tuition is what it is and school choice vouchers don't really give parents the option of sending their kid to whatever school they think is best.

It's also an argument for homeschooling co-opts as an alternative to Leftist ciriculums in public schools.

No, it's not. The last, and only, time I've hired someone who was homeschooled I was saddled with someone who had almost zero social skills and was barely literate. I've had no such issues with the convicted felons I've worked with.

 

[Bacle]

No, it's not. The last, and only, time I've hired someone who was homeschooled I was saddled with someone who had almost zero social skills and was barely literate. I've had no such issues with the convicted felons I've worked with.

I know a few people who were homeschooled, and none of them have social skill or literacy issues.

In fact they are all rather successful now, and you'd never know they were homeschooled unless they told you.

 

[Abhishekm]

No, it's not. The last, and only, time I've hired someone who was homeschooled I was saddled with someone who had almost zero social skills and was barely literate. I've had no such issues with the convicted felons I've worked with.

But they were literate. That puts them above the back benches in Oregon now apparently. So whats left?

 

[LordsFire]

Private school tuition is what it is and school choice vouchers don't really give parents the option of sending their kid to whatever school they think is best.


No, it's not. The last, and only, time I've hired someone who was homeschooled I was saddled with someone who had almost zero social skills and was barely literate. I've had no such issues with the convicted felons I've worked with.

1. It still gives them some options, and charter schools are almost universally better than public schools, if they exist in an area.

2. You have experienced an extreme outlier, and are allowing your personal anecdote to tarnish your perception of millions of people.

 

[bintananth]

But they were literate. That puts them above the back benches in Oregon now apparently. So whats left?

Barely literate. I'm amazed he even managed to get a GED and a GED or HS diploma was the only prerequisite for the job.

 

[Abhishekm]

Barely literate. I'm amazed he even managed to get a GED and a GED or HS diploma was the only prerequisite for the job.

Which again is apparently no longer a requirement for a HS diploma in Oregon. So why have them be both dumber than forest Gump AND have that much greater a chance of them ending up either 'Gangsta' or a 'Moll'.

 

[Terthna]

How about no! Does no work for you? Because it works for me.

If you leave education up to just parents and churches instead of professionals you'll get a lot people reaching adulthood with barely any formal education whatsoever past knowing how to read the religious texts their parent's place of worship uses.

I was home-schooled for several years; my mother took it seriously, and I ended up learning far more than my peers had when I went back to public school.

No, it's not. The last, and only, time I've hired someone who was homeschooled I was saddled with someone who had almost zero social skills and was barely literate. I've had no such issues with the convicted felons I've worked with.

Meanwhile I was reading at a collage level by the time I went back to public school in junior high. Admittedly, I did lack social skills, which was why I ended up going back. By the time I graduated high school, I had learned exactly zero social skills.

 

[ParadiseLost]

No, it's not. The last, and only, time I've hired someone who was homeschooled I was saddled with someone who had almost zero social skills and was barely literate. I've had no such issues with the convicted felons I've worked with.

Statistically speaking you met an anomaly, as a cursory google search of peer reviewed studies shows that Homeschoolers tend to strongly outperform public schoolers, with the average homeschooler usually in the 80th percentile of public schoolers academically.

Not that I for even a second think we should try to switch to shut down public schools to push private schools and homeschooling; that would be a disaster.

 

[LordsFire]

Statistically speaking you met an anomaly, as a cursory google search of peer reviewed studies shows that Homeschoolers tend to strongly outperform public schoolers, with the average homeschooler usually in the 80th percentile of public schoolers academically.

Not that I for even a second think we should try to switch to shut down public schools to push private schools and homeschooling; that would be a disaster.

Dissolve the Federal educational crap, it's all unconstitutional anyways, and we'd have a start. I honestly think that ending state-funded schools would actually cause an uptick in quality, though it'd be a rough transition.

I would settle though, for public school systems shifting to an entirely voucher/charter based variant. Get most of the benefits of free markets would be an acceptable compromise.

 

[ATP]

Dissolve the Federal educational crap, it's all unconstitutional anyways, and we'd have a start. I honestly think that ending state-funded schools would actually cause an uptick in quality, though it'd be a rough transition.

I would settle though, for public school systems shifting to an entirely voucher/charter based variant. Get most of the benefits of free markets would be an acceptable compromise.

Voucher - Good idea.Friedman supported it,if i remember correctly.

 

[Flintsteel]

How about no! Does no work for you? Because it works for me.

If you leave education up to just parents and churches instead of professionals you'll get a lot people reaching adulthood with barely any formal education whatsoever past knowing how to read the religious texts their parent's place of worship uses.

...you do realize the degradation in effectiveness of public schools charts pretty specifically with them being given over to "professional" educators, right? Professional educators are part of the problem (because they form a bureaucracy, and thus exist to perpetrate themselves rather than the job the supposedly exist for).