United States US Constitutional Amendment Proposals and Discussion Thread

[Sailor.X]

I would have an Amendment that mandates between the age of 18 and 25 each and every citizen of the US must perform 2 years of National Service. Be it in the Military or one of the Civil Corps in the Nation. This is to break the cycle of being brainwashed by Academia. And gives the new citizen grounding in the real world.

 

[Cherico]

I would have an Amendment that mandates between the age of 18 and 25 each and every citizen of the US must perform 2 years of National Service. Be it in the Military or one of the Civil Corps in the Nation. This is to break the cycle of being brainwashed by Academia. And gives the new citizen grounding in the real world.

lots of other countries do this.

 

[King Krávoka]

I would have an Amendment that mandates between the age of 18 and 25 each and every citizen of the US must perform 2 years of National Service. Be it in the Military or one of the Civil Corps in the Nation. This is to break the cycle of being brainwashed by Academia. And gives the new citizen grounding in the real world.

So that we can be directly brainwashed by the military-industrial complex?

 

[Sailor.X]

So that we can be directly brainwashed by the military-industrial complex?

Being that I am former military the same with Spartan, Tiamat and others. I fail to see how your assertion makes sense. We are many things brainwashed is not one of them.

 

[Wargamer08]

I would have an Amendment that mandates between the age of 18 and 25 each and every citizen of the US must perform 2 years of National Service. Be it in the Military or one of the Civil Corps in the Nation. This is to break the cycle of being brainwashed by Academia. And gives the new citizen grounding in the real world.

Gets turned into slave labor in nursing homes. Europe has tried schemes like this before. Compulsive labor inherently favors leftist ideology, see what China has done with it's military.

Fighting the Left with shackles is like trying to drown a fish. It's breaking the chains they've built in places like centralized education that levels the board, not trying to craft new ones that will only catch them.

 

[Bear Ribs]

You could distort the geometry to have the calculations operate on a flat population density across a non-Euclidian plane, then select a calculation that generates equal-area partitions within it. That should generate an equal-population partition when re-mapped to the actual geography.

Okay, that's pretty clever, got to admit I didn't think to try to apply non-Euclidian geometry to the country to create voting districts.

 

[Bacle]

I would have an Amendment that mandates between the age of 18 and 25 each and every citizen of the US must perform 2 years of National Service. Be it in the Military or one of the Civil Corps in the Nation. This is to break the cycle of being brainwashed by Academia. And gives the new citizen grounding in the real world.

Yes, we know you and other military members are a-ok with the draft being used on 'ungrateful/unpratriotic youth', even in peace time. It's like the stolen election and the lies of the WU Flu shit just do not matter to you and many current and former military, you just want the youth to be forced to serve DC in one way or another.

A populace must have trust and faith in it's gov before you can enact a draft, or you end up with burning draft offices like Russia has right now.

The current US gov has neither, and trying to force an amendment like this during current times is the height of Boomer foolishness and spite towards the younger generations.

 

[Sailor.X]

Yes, we know you and other military members are a-ok with the draft being used on 'ungrateful/unpratriotic youth', even in peace time. It's like the stolen election and the lies of the WU Flu shit just do not matter to you and many current and former military, you just want the youth to be forced to serve DC in one way or another.

A populace must have trust and faith in it's gov before you can enact a draft, or you end up with burning draft offices like Russia has right now.

The current US gov has neither, and trying to force an amendment like this during current times is the height of Boomer foolishness and spite towards the younger generations.

There are a lot of directionless young people in the US today who have zero dicipline., Zero work ethic and zero wanting to do anything beyond serving themselves. That is not a recipe for the health of a Nation. National Service would correct that. Give them direction in life by serving the people of this country in some capacity is what is needed to give them perspective. I notice how the naysayers are only focusing on military service. And ignoring the Civil Service part that I also mentioned. It is like selective vision you guys have.

 

[Atarlost]

They're not useful for preventing gerrymandering, I tried figuring out such an idea a while back. The problem is that setting the center points for the mesh will let you define the districts, so whoever does that gets to gerrymander it. Granted it won't produce anything as ludicrous as, say, Maryland's 3rd district, or Illinois' 4th that's posted above.

That's why I said the seed points have to be the centers of the best known uniform disc packing of the state at the time of the redistricting. (That is, the arrangement of identical non-overlapping discs with the greatest diameter)

Also each district, in theory, is supposed to have the exact same number of citizens living in it so using any mathematical formula to define the space invariably fails quickly because people aren't distributed in a way that can be calculated so simply.

I was thinking in terms of this chain because you started both:

Would it be worth rejiggering the Federal>State hierarchy to add another level? Essentially delegating power in a Federal>State>County structure so that specific duties and rights go all the way to the county level making it harder for a megacity to dominate an entire state and allowing sparsely populated counties more autonomy compared to the current situation. This is essentially meant to be an answer to the situation in places like Oregon where most of the state wants to secede away from the city controlling their politics.

IIRC, I seen something somewhere about changing the Electoral College to work based on the counties to be more effective and representative.

The Democrats will not allow that, because it'd basically ensure that Republicans/conservatives dominate forever.

The electoral college is based on the number of house districts and for the bicameral legislature to work properly you want roughly equal land area for the senate. Counties were generally of equal population when the lines were drawn not equal land area. San Francisco is a particularly egregious example in California, but I assume there are others in states I didn't grow up in.

Ideally you'd do that for federal senate districts (ie. states), but that requires completely trashing state sovereignty and there's not much you can do about Hawaii. Alaska might run into the population floor as well if you tried to split it into states approximately 1/50 of the US's total land area that weren't wedges radiating from Anchorage.

A populace must have trust and faith in it's gov before you can enact a draft, or you end up with burning draft offices like Russia has right now.

Yes, far better to have a military alienated from the civilian populace so that when they're given the order to gun down their fellow citizens they won't hesitate because they don't see them as fellow citizens.

 

[Emperor Tippy]

If you want to fix the House, you get rid of geographic districts entirely.

All adult citizens in the state get one vote for a Representative, the states available House seats go to whomever gets the most votes in descending order.

So a state gets five House seats then whichever five candidates get the most votes in the House election fill those seats.

Entirely solves the gerrymander issue, gets you a much more representative House, and reduces the power of political parties. Or at least makes it easier for third parties and smaller constituencies to get representation in the House.

 

[LordsFire]

If you want to fix the House, you get rid of geographic districts entirely.

All adult citizens in the state get one vote for a Representative, the states available House seats go to whomever gets the most votes in descending order.

So a state gets five House seats then whichever five candidates get the most votes in the House election fill those seats.

Entirely solves the gerrymander issue, gets you a much more representative House, and reduces the power of political parties. Or at least makes it easier for third parties and smaller constituencies to get representation in the House.

This has some potential, but a lot of people are attached to knowing that their representative specifically represents their district, and that has some merit too.

It'd be hard to know for sure if the trade-offs were worth it, until someone actually tried it.

 

[Atarlost]

Entirely solves the gerrymander issue, gets you a much more representative House, and reduces the power of political parties. Or at least makes it easier for third parties and smaller constituencies to get representation in the House.

Yeah, because we've seen how well that works for Europe and Canada. This is how you get single issue parties wielding disproportionate power over coalition formation. If you can't avoid political parties -- which you can't -- you at least want them competing for the median voter not who can bribe some stupid little spoiler party.

 

[LordsFire]

Yeah, because we've seen how well that works for Europe and Canada. This is how you get single issue parties wielding disproportionate power over coalition formation. If you can't avoid political parties -- which you can't -- you at least want them competing for the median voter not who can bribe some stupid little spoiler party.

Canada and much of Europe have to deal with the issue of running on parliamentary systems of various formats.

In the US, having just the House of Representatives elected in such a way, means that the Senate and Executive aren't beholden to such electoral forces.

I don't know if anyone has tried such a mixed system before, and unless they have, it'd be hard to predict the results.

 

[Atarlost]

I don't know if anyone has tried such a mixed system before, and unless they have, it'd be hard to predict the results.

I don't consider "hard to predict" a virtue for governmental structures.

 

[Emperor Tippy]

Yeah, because we've seen how well that works for Europe and Canada. This is how you get single issue parties wielding disproportionate power over coalition formation. If you can't avoid political parties -- which you can't -- you at least want them competing for the median voter not who can bribe some stupid little spoiler party.

Except it's an entirely different system in most respects.

Take a state like California with its 52 seats. Every adult citizen in the state gets one vote. An election is held with every candidate on the ballot at once. The 52 candidates who get the most votes get the seats.

You can't realistically run a slate of party candidates because you are never going to be able to coordinate the votes needed at scale. Sure, the "Democrat" candidate might get fifty percent of the vote in California but that only gets them one seat. If the Republicans, on the other hand, run an Anti Abortion candidate, and a Pro Gun candidate, and a Fuck Pelosi candidate, etc. then they would get three seats even if all three collective got fewer votes than the one "Democrat" candidate.

The House would become a body where essentially everyone is elected on an issue specific platform.

Any issue that can get a coercive organization behind it and has at least moderate popularity can get a Representative.

 

[Bacle]

There are a lot of directionless young people in the US today who have zero dicipline., Zero work ethic and zero wanting to do anything beyond serving themselves. That is not a recipe for the health of a Nation. National Service would correct that. Give them direction in life by serving the people of this country in some capacity is what is needed to give them perspective. I notice how the naysayers are only focusing on military service. And ignoring the Civil Service part that I also mentioned. It is like selective vision you guys have.

And you are ignoring the reasons shit is so fucked are in large part do to the delibrite actions of the gov you wish to force young people to serve, and no, just trying to use the Forest Service or FEMA to push 'civil service' doesn't fly either.

Make the nation worth voluntarily serving, don't try to force people to serve a gov they may not trust or have any faith in.

You want to give young people direction, give them something they want to do, not something they are forced to do. Your idea would only breed resentment and hostility in the youth towards the old farts who want to try to 'fix' the generation their actions fucked up in the first place.

 

[LordsFire]

I don't consider "hard to predict" a virtue for governmental structures.

Indeed. The question is 'are things bad enough that we want to risk trying something substantially different?'

I'm more interested in an amendment that specifically states you do not get to vote for a member of the House of Representatives, unless you pay taxes, and by 'pay taxes' I mean 'pay in more than you get out in benefits.'

 

[Sailor.X]

And you are ignoring the reasons shit is so fucked are in large part do to the delibrite actions of the gov you wish to force young people to serve, and no, just trying to use the Forest Service or FEMA to push 'civil service' doesn't fly either.

Make the nation worth voluntarily serving, don't try to force people to serve a gov they may not trust or have any faith in.

You want to give young people direction, give them something they want to do, not something they are forced to do. Your idea would only breed resentment and hostility in the youth towards the old farts who want to try to 'fix' the generation their actions fucked up in the first place.

One Things are as bad as they are now is because people have not been taking civic responsibility seriously. Government for the people and by the people has a meaning. Instead of pointing the finger at government point it at yourself.

Two: They can learn to get the fuck over themselves. Life ain't fair. It never was. We have many rights as citizens. But for far to long the responsibility of citizenship has not been taught. It is time to go back to the latter.

Three there are a lot of agencies they can server in. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_agencies_in_the_United_States

So I ask you Bacle. What have you done to make your nation a better place. Have you done anything for your fellow countrymen and country as a whole. Or have you just bitched and moaned about the system and not done anything to fix it from the inside. You are either part of the solution or part of the problem. The more good people that get into government agencies the more things can and will change.

 

[Bacle]

One Things are as bad as they are now is because people have not been taking civic responsibility seriously. Government for the people and by the people has a meaning. Instead of pointing the finger at government point it at yourself.

The stolen election shows the people no longer truly have a voice, and joining the system will not fix it.

The US gov is too corrupt for any one person to change it, Trump learned that the hard way, and some of us have had family in politics and seen how the sausage in made, and want none of it.

Two: They can learn to get the fuck over themselves. Life ain't fair. It never was. We have many rights as citizens. But for far to long the responsibility of citizenship has not been taught. It is time to go back to the latter.

If the gov is illegit, and betraying the Constitution on a daily basis, while the DoD tries to pretend to be apolitical, the those in power do not have the right to enact a draft.

There is no way this amendment would pass, and it is a foolish idea in the current political climate.

Three there are a lot of agencies they can server in. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_agencies_in_the_United_States

So I ask you Bacle. What have you done to make your nation a better place. Have you done anything for your fellow countrymen and country as a whole. Or have you just bitched and moaned about the system and not done anything to fix it from the inside. You are either part of the solution or part of the problem. The more good people that get into government agencies the more things can and will change.

I take care of what little family I have left, because I'm the only 'healthy' one, and have to act as an external harddrive for my father due to memory issues.

I went to jury duty when called.

I've knocked down an abandoned camp fire that was still smoking, which could have burned a bunch of beetle kill deep in the Rockies if no one had come back to deal with it. The areas that burned also would have included a major molybdenum mines, you know that shit you need to make moly-steel.

I help now widowed aunt try to deal with the new state her life is in and fix up her house.

I help and do what I can, where I can, to those who have not betrayed me; since 2020 I can no longer put the US gov on that list. Stolen elections have consequences, too.

 

[Sailor.X]

The stolen election shows the people no longer truly have a voice, and joining the system will not fix it.

The US gov is too corrupt for any one person to change it, Trump learned that the hard way, and some of us have had family in politics and seen how the sausage in made, and want none of it.
If the gov is illegit, and betraying the Constitution on a daily basis, while the DoD tries to pretend to be apolitical, the those in power do not have the right to enact a draft.

There is no way this amendment would pass, and it is a foolish idea in the current political climate.
I take care of what little family I have left, because I'm the only 'healthy' one, and have to act as an external harddrive for my father due to memory issues.

I went to jury duty when called.

I've knocked down an abandoned camp fire that was still smoking, which could have burned a bunch of beetle kill deep in the Rockies if no one had come back to deal with it. The areas that burned also would have included a major molybdenum mines, you know that shit you need to make moly-steel.

I help now widowed aunt try to deal with the new state her life is in and fix up her house.

I help and do what I can, where I can, to those who have not betrayed me; since 2020 I can no longer put the US gov on that list. Stolen elections have consequences, too.

Bacle you are a black pilled individual. You need to get passed that and work to change the system. Being angry at the government does nothing useful in fixing the country.