US Marines Bested By Britain
- Thread starter Terthna
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Okay, I am going going step in here.
All the articles that are British are biased towards the RMC, and it was a special group of then that focuses on a special occasion.
USMC were on both sides.
Trying to claim "QE DONT HAVE THE BEST MILITARY! SEE SEE!"
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US Marine Corps rebuffs report that Royal Marines ‘dominated’ in training exercise
The exercise took place from Oct. 25 to 30 at Twentynine Palms.
www.marinecorpstimes.com
Basically, what it is was a training exercise. There is no Winner, no surrender, no Reset.
It was a multinational force that had USMC on both sides.
All the British did is try and make it seem like thier equivalent if the Rangers beat the USMC.
WhT actually happend is a lot diffrent. Basically they had back and forth the whole time woth both sides gaining and losing ground. At least from what I got from someone second hand.
Yeah it's always dumb seeing articles like this. Like these wargames are somehow freeform simulations like your RTS computer game.
"ZOMG they refloated sunk ships! The multimillion dollar exercise should've been cancelled early!"
"ZOMG the new tested weapons didn't work in the exercise but they proceeded with the training!"
Etc Etc...
I'm surprised the Marines actually made a comment on it. Usually these things go unchallenged in anything approaching official channels because the American military punching down on Allies and training partners is kind of a dumb thing to do anyways. Let the Indian Air Force celebrate getting an air-to-air simulated kill or whatever and let it lie.
"ZOMG they refloated sunk ships! The multimillion dollar exercise should've been cancelled early!"
"ZOMG the new tested weapons didn't work in the exercise but they proceeded with the training!"
Etc Etc...
I'm surprised the Marines actually made a comment on it. Usually these things go unchallenged in anything approaching official channels because the American military punching down on Allies and training partners is kind of a dumb thing to do anyways. Let the Indian Air Force celebrate getting an air-to-air simulated kill or whatever and let it lie.
It's the Marines and thier pride was damaged
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
This is nothing special, you win some, lose some, one of the aim of such exercises is to identify what could have been done better, media is just making a mountain out of the molehill. Also as Zach pointed out, this is the marines, whose stratospheric pride is the centrepiece of their physical existence and gets bruised so easily.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Whilst it is vaguely amusing and pride inducing from an Englishman's perspective, it must be made clear that the Royal Marines and the United States Marines are rather different from each other. The USMC is a "light infantry" formation, meant for spearheading attacks and of course amphibious landings. The Royal Marines are commandos who can do amphibious landings and ship borne operations as well.
The bread and butter of our commandos is slipping through enemy lines and causing mayhem, which is why they are feared with very good reason. In terms of "eliteness" in Her Majesty's Armed Forces, the Royal Marines are second only really to the SAS. This situation is entirely understandable. Causing a larger force to disintegrate is in the job description for a commando unit.
Indeed, had a detachment of the British Army been facing the Navy Seals (or god forbid, Delta Force), I'd have expected the reverse.
The bread and butter of our commandos is slipping through enemy lines and causing mayhem, which is why they are feared with very good reason. In terms of "eliteness" in Her Majesty's Armed Forces, the Royal Marines are second only really to the SAS. This situation is entirely understandable. Causing a larger force to disintegrate is in the job description for a commando unit.
Indeed, had a detachment of the British Army been facing the Navy Seals (or god forbid, Delta Force), I'd have expected the reverse.
It was 500 RMC worh some Dutch and various other countries in there.
They kept pointing out the Marines were stupid in the British articles
They're actually quite a bit more than a "light infantry" formation. The US Marines actually have their own ground attack aircraft, tanks, ships, and other support equipment. But your point remains true, the profile of the two is very different, with the US Marines being a larger, more complex force that is focused on taking and holding territory, not commando operations.
They do not have tanks.
They have AAVs and LAVs.
They are also not the ones holding past the initial phase. Armt comes in and supports any holding operations once the conflict has gone inland enough
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
The US Marines are almost an army unto themselves (near two hundred thousand crayon eaters, God help us all), I didn't quite get that across. But as S'task did point out, I am correct in that they fulfill a fundamentally different role to the Royal Marines.
Once they were probably quite similar (as all marine contingents are. They were once "the army at sea"), but I think they started wildly diverging in the 20th century.
Once they were probably quite similar (as all marine contingents are. They were once "the army at sea"), but I think they started wildly diverging in the 20th century.
The USMC do both.
They have ones that are basically the ships defenders, and ones that go on shore.
They also have special teams that do the role of the RMC
Wargamer08
Well-known member
Didn’t the USMC dump all its tanks and heavy weapons recently?
Tanks.
They still have artillery and the like