Military US Military Is Scared Americans Won't Fight For Globalism

[Zachowon]

Okay, where is your proof that China, the nation that can't even get its buildings to stand up thanks to corruption, would be able to 'sweep a lot' without the USA/the West's globalists and collaborators helping smooth the road for them?

That's why they team up and work together.

Those haven't changed as much as you seem to think they have. Jets? Okay, besides being able to move faster, how are they fundamentally different from the airplanes that came before in terms of what they can do?

Nukes? Its a lot of destruction in a smaller package, but a lot of people have them and MAD means that no one but the most crazy fanatics will actually use them without fear of retroposity. And the ability to destroy a city isn't at all new to humanity- we've just got more efficient at it.

Global trade? That's been going on since the 1700's. The only thing that's changed besides tonnage is that people got it into their heads that relying on fragile supply lines to other countries for critical resources was a great idea because they couldn't see past the era they were in and assumed it would last forever.

The internet? Again, its just a faster and more widely used version of what people have had for centuries. At first it was mail, then overseas telephones and radios. And if you bring up hacking infastructure, thats our fault for being stupid and connecting everything to the internet.

I just want to comment on the jet aspect.
We are at a time when you can have jets that can fly around the world and back without being seen

 

[Marduk]

But, but if we do not fight Ho Chi Minh/the Vietcong in Vietnam we will be fignting them in Los Angeles...

B-b-but if we do not fight in Nam we will lose all of Asia...

B-b-but muh hordes of muslim fanatics and WMDs Saddam will unleash on the world cause he is literally Hitler...


better than the usual neocuck reeing.

Why don't you get a time machine and go fight in Nam?

I see you have changed your mind on this.
Fuck off to vatnikland or CCPland and try to sell them the refried useful idiot slop, see how they tolerate it. That is my general opinion on this whole "lmao anti war nonconformist" bullshit. If its such a great idea, i'm a very generous guy, i can't accept it, i want all the countries i don't like to be taught such genius.

The Chicoms do not have any real interest in global hegemony, mostly their focus is on domestic issues + securing trade routes and markets the GAE can not disrupt.

>they want to secure their many global trade routes and markets so hard no other power can disrupt them
>no real interest in global hegemony though
Way to go, contradict yourself completely in the same sentence.

If anything they are slowly evolving into the type of standard, inward-looking Asian despotism that has been present for hundreds of years.They spend more money on internal security than on the military and have more than enough neighbors(India, the various countries of Indochina, Japan which is a fast breakout nuclear power) that have bones to pick with them to think about any global empire.

They have a huge demographics problem, their economy is not in a good state, they have lots of domestic problems to add to that.

At least get your bullshit straight. Do they want to "secure trade route and markets" or larp as North Korea by being an inward-looking Asian despotism?

Okay. First off, enough with the insults.

Second of all, the point I was trying to make- and obviously was too subtle about given your failure to grasp it- is that China is so corrupt and incompetent that they can't even make basic infrastructure correctly.

So fucking what? Where did you get the idea that quality of civilian infrastructure is the ultimate proxy for the military threat a polity poses?
Soviet Union was corrupt and incompetent too, yet it pulled off all the shit it did and ended up controlling most of Europe for a time.
Huns and Mongols terrorized a chunk of Europe despite being a bunch of nomads.
Who has such great competence and infrastructure (which again is mostly irrelevant to economic ambitions, of course you don't invest all the effort in infrastructure if you plan on going on a conquest spree) in the region that they will totally stop China's conquests?

So what makes you think that the Chinese military, which we know is also corrupt at the very least, would be any different.

And who has a non-corrupt military of the same size as China's to fight it?

Moving on.

Not sure what your supported to be getting at here with this list of Chinese ships your throwing at me.



Which ignores the fact that they don't necessarily have to defeat the Chinese (or whoever else), just make it so that they lose more by fighting them then its worth to win.

Well then, who can, with what?

Most of those are weapon systems, not the aircraft itself, thus not the point.

Yet they work the same, and those are also new.

In-air fueling as existed since around WW2, though I am not sure if Spitfires had the capacity for it.

Not on such scale.

Being able to fly further is usually the result of being able to fly faster, yes. Congratulations on being able to figure this out.

Congratulations on yet again being caught talking about shit you have zero understanding of. Flying faster in fact always takes more fuel and engine power. This is why the cheapest to operate, longest ranged civilian, transport and bomber aircraft are subsonic turboprops or jets.

You mean the weapon systems and jets that the USA is perfectly capable of building without a vast colonial empire?

What fucking vast colonial empire? Are we on alternet suddenly?
It's called supply routes and international trade, stop listening to the brainrot of orphaned commie simps, wherever you are getting it.

Yes, which is why one should keep up with them for the sake of national security. Again, not sure what this has to do with the USA going isolationist.

Good luck having the money and interest in keeping up while going isolationist.

Your example is pure absurdity. No nation is going to risk getting nuked in retaliation, especially on the behalf of another.

That's the wonder of puppet states, you don't ask them what they want to risk.

Okay, which is why we also have such weapon systems if the USA is attacked. And why should we need overseas bases then? If one can, as you claim, attack 'anytime, anywhere and anyone', why build bases? Heck, why bother with a lot of stuff? What I'm trying to say here is, make up your damn mind. Either we need a vast overseas empire for power projection or we don't.

Of course for conventional warfare in support of allies and defense of trade routes. Unless you are a fan of nuclear reaction for the tiniest slights, in which case hats off to you, hardcore.

Most of said supply chains only exist because for reason I already gave. Very little of what the USA needs to survive, sustain and defend itself cannot be acquired at home or through trade if we bothered to build the infrastructure for it.

Needs vs wants. If you struggle with telling these apart, i guess you may as well head off to WEF approved greens and scheme with them about how little people need very little to be "sustainable" and survive. They do it for the green idealism, you, for isolationist idealism, but it boils down to the same thing.
But as far as i know, most Americans actually are quite famous for liking to have lots of shit way beyond the necessities of survival.

And since you seem obsessed about technology marching on and leaving the USA behind, whose to say that one day those resources won't be synthesized?

All I've seen is a lot of Cold War hysteria, as @Agent23 has pointed out. Which is ironic.

What is even more ironic is that both you and him are spamming the forum with minor variations of the same arguments commonly spammed by the other side and its useful idiots during the Cold War.
Things change, yet they stay the same...
You people are just like the greens.
Why doesn't Russia have anti-globalist, pro-isolationist and green opposition?
Because it is ruled by the same people who helped nurture these brainbugs in the West.
Why doesn't China have anti-globalist, pro-isolationist and green opposition?
Because it is ruled by people who were trained by the same people who helped nurture these brainbugs in the West.
Sorry, keep your brainbugs to yourself, i have no use for them.

 

[Agent23]

Okay. First off, enough with the insults.

All I've seen is a lot of Cold War hysteria, as @Agent23 has pointed out. Which is ironic.

Yeah, with the neocucks everything is mugh life and death struggle between good democracies and "literally Hitler".

If you look at the situation in Vietnam, for example, the "pro-American" forces lacked popular support and were massively corrupt and in bed with or part of the old colonial power structure that was the worst type of crony capitalist, one rule for me and another for you shit.

Ike did not want to get involved, JFK did not want to get involved but got pressured by a small "china lobby" of black vs. white fanatical nutjobs that were the predecessors of the ideologically driven neocucks and neoliberal hegemonists, many of the same people that were part of the original old "China Lobby" that thought it could turn China into a protestand country and had lots of media sway.


LBJ was also against getting involved in theory, but according to his own words got pushed in due to the China Lobby, as well as his special friends in the US arms industry.


Nixon wanted "peace with honor", and to get rid of the whole mess that he inherited from Johnson, but he too had special lobbies pushing on him and the reputation of the USA to think about.



Hitler, well everyone is hitler and wants global domination, even if the OG hitler's scope was limited to just Eastern Europe and some vengeance and the old German terriotires and the desire to genocide us Slavs.(Not saying he is a good person, but looking for global domination her certainly was not.)


Stalin is Hitler.


Ho Chi Mihn is Hitler.

Mao is Hitler.

Saddam is Hitler.

Whoever was leading the Taliban government back in 01 is literally Hitler.

Putin is Hitler.

In general the neocucks/neolibs are a stool with 3 feet.

You have the useful idiots/true believers, they can be "Willsonian democrats/Muh Democracy/Murikah/Religious protestand zealots trying to christianize China, or in modern day the LGBTQCorpocracy crony capitalist lobby", basically they are what gives the USA its Messianic foreign policy.


Then you have the media complex and the war profiteers.


And finally you have all of the double allegiance ethnic lobbies that come from whichever shithole country the other 2 want to bomb into democracy or have a bone to pick with it.


Oh, and occasionally some smarter neocucks yammer on and on about the Greko-Persian and Peloponnesian wars, because Sparta and Athens were not brutal, slave owning societies and the Persians were not more advanced with more regional autonomy and probably didn't treat their slaves nearly as bad as they Spartans treated the hellots.

Or that both Greek "democracies" were actually just shitty oligarchies built on slave labor and military conquest.


And of course they ignore all other history asides for those two and cherry pick to the max.



For them, Caesar is "just literally Hitler", Justinian is "Just literally Hitler", Gustavus Adolphus and Ferdinand II and Richelieu are "Just literally Hitler".


Xerxes was literally Hitler.

Hammurabi and Sargon were Literally Hitler.

 

[Agent23]

I see you have changed your mind on this.

Lol, learn to fucking read, hint, the last line at the bottom of the post.

And besides, your post was such utter crap and so full of itself I just couldn't resist.

Like meeting my neighbor's noisy chiwawa out and not giving it a nice, swift kick up the bum.

Fuck off to vatnikland or CCPland and try to sell them the refried useful idiot slop, see how they tolerate it. That is my general opinion on this whole "lmao anti war nonconformist" bullshit. If its such a great idea, i'm a very generous guy, i can't accept it, i want all the countries i don't like to be taught such genius.

Yup, thanks for the 9999999th no-argumnet/attempt to change the subject.

>they want to secure their many global trade routes and markets so hard no other power can disrupt them
>no real interest in global hegemony though
Way to go, contradict yourself completely in the same sentence.

The new Silk Road they were building was not that much of a big dea, and their involvement in Africa is greatly overblown, and they do need to invest their dollar assets somewhere and employ their construction companies.

If the Africans prefer to deal with them over Europe I am fine with that, the Chinese can be responsible for that shithole, feed it clothe it, educate it, force it to fix its population issues and keep the various tribal idiots from tearing each-other apart.
We should focus on building a Mediterranean wall.

At least get your bullshit straight. Do they want to "secure trade route and markets" or larp as North Korea by being an inward-looking Asian despotism?

I think they know now that complete autharky is impossible, and they need imports as well as an alternate market once the decoupling with the USA happens.

So fucking what? Where did you get the idea that quality of civilian infrastructure is the ultimate proxy for the military threat a polity poses?

Oh, I don't know.Maybe it can be used as a broader indicator for their government's actual efficiency and cleanliness...

Soviet Union was corrupt and incompetent too, yet it pulled off all the shit it did and ended up controlling most of Europe for a time.

Heeere we go with the Muh Russia Polish syndrome again...

Stalin wanted a security buffer between them and Germany/the West and keeping down old, opportunistic enemies like you guys down, keeping all of us under control was a huge drain on their resources and led to idiotic overstretch and most of the Soviet military focus was on defense.

There was no unified commie empire trying to take over the world, stop fantasizing.

Who has such great competence and infrastructure (which again is mostly irrelevant to economic ambitions, of course you don't invest all the effort in infrastructure if you plan on going on a conquest spree) in the region that they will totally stop China's conquests?

You dor ealize something like 40% of Chinese GDP goes into construction/real estate, right?

And who has a non-corrupt military of the same size as China's to fight it?

Well then, who can, with what?

Yet they work the same, and those are also new.

Not on such scale.

Congratulations on yet again being caught talking about shit you have zero understanding of. Flying faster in fact always takes more fuel and engine power. This is why the cheapest to operate, longest ranged civilian, transport and bomber aircraft are subsonic turboprops or jets.

What fucking vast colonial empire? Are we on alternet suddenly?
It's called supply routes and international trade, stop listening to the brainrot of orphaned commie simps, wherever you are getting it.

Good luck having the money and interest in keeping up while going isolationist.

That's the wonder of puppet states, you don't ask them what they want to risk.

Of course for conventional warfare in support of allies and defense of trade routes. Unless you are a fan of nuclear reaction for the tiniest slights, in which case hats off to you, hardcore.

Needs vs wants. If you struggle with telling these apart, i guess you may as well head off to WEF approved greens and scheme with them about how little people need very little to be "sustainable" and survive. They do it for the green idealism, you, for isolationist idealism, but it boils down to the same thing.
But as far as i know, most Americans actually are quite famous for liking to have lots of shit way beyond the necessities of survival.

What is even more ironic is that both you and him are spamming the forum with minor variations of the same arguments commonly spammed by the other side and its useful idiots during the Cold War.
Things change, yet they stay the same...
You people are just like the greens.
Why doesn't Russia have anti-globalist, pro-isolationist and green opposition?
Because it is ruled by the same people who helped nurture these brainbugs in the West.
Why doesn't China have anti-globalist, pro-isolationist and green opposition?
Because it is ruled by people who were trained by the same people who helped nurture these brainbugs in the West.
Sorry, keep your brainbugs to yourself, i have no use for them.

Yup, more reeing.

 

[Marduk]

Lol, learn to fucking read, hint, the last line at the bottom of the post.

And besides, your post was such utter crap and so full of itself I just couldn't resist.

Like meeting my neighbor's noisy chiwawa out and not giving it a nice, swift kick up the bum.

You're like a fly coming out to the smell of good food to shit its spawn on it. I can be like that too.

Yup, thanks for the 9999999th no-argumnet/attempt to change the subject.

Naturally, your subject of choice is shitting on the West, not on countries you fanboy for.

The new Silk Road they were building was not that much of a big dea, and their involvement in Africa is greatly overblown, and they do need to invest their dollar assets somewhere and employ their construction companies.

If the Africans prefer to deal with them over Europe I am fine with that, the Chinese can be responsible for that shithole, feed it clothe it, educate it, force it to fix its population issues and keep the various tribal idiots from tearing each-other apart.
We should focus on building a Mediterranean wall.

Yeah, talk down eastern global influence ops as not a big deal.
Western global influence ops? OMG THE WORST EVIL!

Of course Chinese won't "take care" of the locals in the same way our leftist cucks want to.
They will put them to work in mines, and if any protest, they will get a bullet, or if they ask nicely, a boat to anywhere ruled by leftist cucks.

I think they know now that complete autharky is impossible, and they need imports as well as an alternate market once the decoupling with the USA happens.

Welp, they know that, you know that, and i know that, so why are some people still pushing the isolationist bullshit as a great idea?

Oh, I don't know.Maybe it can be used as a broader indicator for their government's actual efficiency and cleanliness...

Which is clueless tunnel vision. No government, corrupt or perfect, can make something out of nothing.
If they focus resources on funding military and geopolitical goals, infrastructure may well be neglected.
On the other hand a govenment can completely neglect the military and build nice infrastructure like many do in West Europe, somehow no one is going to delude themselves that this makes them a great military power.

Heeere we go with the Muh Russia Polish syndrome again...

Stalin wanted a security buffer between them and Germany/the West and keeping down old, opportunistic enemies like you guys down, keeping all of us under control was a huge drain on their resources and led to idiotic overstretch and most of the Soviet military focus was on defense.

There was no unified commie empire trying to take over the world, stop fantasizing.

Fuck off with the Stalin excusing. Russia is "our old, opportunistic enemy" and i want it kept down, if you think that's a fine excuse, i'll take it and turn it around. Might also repurpose some of its large territory for a security buffer, certain people keep telling me these are very important to have no matter the cost (especially to other countries).

You dor ealize something like 40% of Chinese GDP goes into construction/real estate, right?

Imagine trusting China's GDP figures.
Obviously what goes into it goes into quantity, not quality, yet a certain someone wants to direct my attention to the low quality, for some baffling reason trying to convince me this has some kind of relationship with China's military power.

Yup, more reeing.

You came here to interject with your usual reeing and anti-western shitting.

 

[Agent23]

You're like a fly coming out to the smell of good food to shit its spawn on it. I can be like that too.

Salt!

Naturally, your subject of choice is shitting on the West, not on countries you fanboy for.

>Ree muh west.
> 10000000000000th irrelevant non argument.

Yeah, talk down eastern global influence ops as not a big deal.
Western global influence ops? OMG THE WORST EVIL!

And you are changing the subject again.
But it is not like the Chicoms and dem Russkies have some monopoly on using proxies, ultimately though, the "host" society is the one that has to deal with any attempts at being influenced, be it through Confucius centers or US media garbage and Soros/Gates foundations.

Of course Chinese won't "take care" of the locals in the same way our leftist cucks want to.
They will put them to work in mines, and if any protest, they will get a bullet, or if they ask nicely, a boat to anywhere ruled by leftist cucks.

Not my problem, I have no part in the shitshow called Africa.

Welp, they know that, you know that, and i know that, so why are some people still pushing the isolationist bullshit as a great idea?

>REEEE if you are not ok with liberast/neocuck interventionalism then you are an isolationist.

Which is clueless tunnel vision. No government, corrupt or perfect, can make something out of nothing.
If they focus resources on funding military and geopolitical goals, infrastructure may well be neglected.
On the other hand a govenment can completely neglect the military and build nice infrastructure like many do in West Europe, somehow no one is going to delude themselves that this makes them a great military power.

Fuck off with the Stalin excusing. Russia is "our old, opportunistic enemy" and i want it kept down, if you think that's a fine excuse, i'll take it and turn it around. Might also repurpose some of its large territory for a security buffer, certain people keep telling me these are very important to have no matter the cost (especially to other countries).

You and the other Russia Derangement syndrome countries can do whatever you want, as long as you waste your own blood and treasure for it.

Imagine trusting China's GDP figures.
Obviously what goes into it goes into quantity, not quality, yet a certain someone wants to direct my attention to the low quality, for some baffling reason trying to convince me this has some kind of relationship with China's military power.

Real estate contributes about 30% of China's GDP, making it the single biggest contributor to the world’s second-largest economy. Also since when is Yahoo owned by the CCP?
Whatever, another dumb non-argument/reeing from you.

You came here to interject with your usual reeing and anti-western shitting.

If the west was not going into the shitter willingly and quickly, if it wasn't run by senile morons and cronyists adn an ever expanding liberast bureaucracy, and if we weren't enging in profitless idiocy like the forever wars for the sake of a few quasi-religious nutjobs and a few small lobbies - maybe I would not be as "anti-western" as you try to paint me to be.

By the way, do you ever try and stop spamming off topic nonsense and try to antagonize people you disagree with?

 

[Marduk]

Salt!

Pepper!

>Ree muh west.

> 10000000000000th irrelevant non argument.

>10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000th irrelevant childish whining

And you are changing the subject again.
But it is not like the Chicoms and dem Russkies have some monopoly on using proxies, ultimately though, the "host" society is the one that has to deal with any attempts at being influenced, be it through Confucius centers or US media garbage and Soros/Gates foundations.

Not my problem, I have no part in the shitshow called Africa.

>REEEE if you are not ok with liberast/neocuck interventionalism then you are an isolationist.

I'm also not ok with liberast/neocuck interventionalism.
You aren't ok with it because of anti-globalism and other useful idiot gripes.
I'm not ok with it because they are messing about incompetently instead of getting good.
We are not the same.

You and the other Russia Derangement syndrome countries can do whatever you want, as long as you waste your own blood and treasure for it.

OMG another "nooooo you can't have alliances against sacred Russia, only sacred Russia can use alliances against enemies, everyone else should follow dumb isolationism because i fancy so".

Real estate contributes about 30% of China's GDP, making it the single biggest contributor to the world’s second-largest economy. Also since when is Yahoo owned by the CCP?
Whatever, another dumb non-argument/reeing from you.

Whatever, where Yahoo gets the numbers?
Still, @DarthOne was arguing about the quality of their real estate, not the quantity. But having a whole scheme with cities no one needs (who bother to build them well if no one is going to use them anyway) has no bearing on their geopolitical ambitions or military power.

If the west was not going into the shitter willingly and quickly, if it wasn't run by senile morons and cronyists adn an ever expanding liberast bureaucracy, and if we weren't enging in profitless idiocy like the forever wars for the sake of a few quasi-religious nutjobs and a few small lobbies - maybe I would not be as "anti-western" as you try to paint me to be.

And?
So it comes down to naturally bullshit accelerationist argument.
"We are stuck on a boat with a bunch of idiots and thieves who are ruining it, so stop being mad at other boat owners whacking into the hull and stealing some parts too".
Why shouldn't i be mad at both?
How is being useful idiots to other powers going to help with the West's internal problems caused by a vast horde of more and less useful idiots of colorful varieties being in power?

 

[Agent23]

Pepper!

Tarator herbs, oregano, dill.

Replyin to your spam with more spam.

>10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000th irrelevant childish whining

I'm also not ok with liberast/neocuck interventionalism.
You aren't ok with it because of anti-globalism and other useful idiot gripes.
I'm not ok with it because they are messing about incompetently instead of getting good.
We are not the same.

No, I am not OK with pointless wastes of money for empty ideological reasons and spreading leftoid liberal nonsense globally.

Shitholes will not get better if you bomb em, they will get worse, so my approach with Africa and some backwards places like Afghanistan is to keep them at arms length.


Let them sort out their own shit and do not try and nation build or spread stupid ideologies there, you know, like your favorite neighbours tried to do in the 70s and 80s.
Left to their devices they will find low intensity ways to "amuse themselves" and turn into a self-fixing problem, read reducing their populations by stupidity, backwardness and internal conflict.

OMG another "nooooo you can't have alliances against sacred Russia, only sacred Russia can use alliances against enemies, everyone else should follow dumb isolationism because i fancy so".

back to the containment thread with you, this is not another one of your "Muh Russia" reeing threads!
You can do whatever you want, as long as it does not impact me, my country or the broader European economy, now man up, go get a gun and go shoot at the ivans instead of spamming here and wasting everyone's time.

Whatever, where Yahoo gets the numbers?
Still, @DarthOne was arguing about the quality of their real estate, not the quantity. But having a whole scheme with cities no one needs (who bother to build them well if no one is going to use them anyway) has no bearing on their geopolitical ambitions or military power.

The bubble is popping and a country putting so much buck and getting such an underwhelming bang is indicative, but I am curious why you latch onto one of the least relevant counter argumnets and do not address the actual problems we listed that China has, ranging from neighbors that have a bad relationship with it and are quite well armed, to corruption, economic malaise and a disastrous demographics situation.
China has other huge problems, like 20% youth unemployment, too.

The CCP knows this, and they want to hold onto power and get out of their dependent, middle income, excessively export and real estate speculation-driven situation, for that they need to focus on alternate markets and dealing with those internal problems, because THEY WANT TO CONTINUE RULING.

Above all though, the biggest fear of the Chinese going back millennia is being encircled, and right now you and the other Russia Derangement syndrome sufferers have thrust all of the Russian resources and markets right into their hands.

And?
So it comes down to naturally bullshit accelerationist argument.

bullshit is exactly how I wpuld cathegorize a lot of your comments, yeah.

"We are stuck on a boat with a bunch of idiots and thieves who are ruining it, so stop being mad at other boat owners whacking into the hull and stealing some parts too".

Well, before we start trying to take over other boats maybe we should throw our thieves and idiots over board, or promote them to galley slave and human leak blocker.

Why shouldn't i be mad at both?
How is being useful idiots to other powers going to help with the West's internal problems caused by a vast horde of more and less useful idiots of colorful varieties being in power?

Yeah, yeah, sure, the west's problems are all caused by external infiltration, and probably our bodily fluids being tainted by them evil Ivans and Chicoms, too.

 

[Marduk]

Tarator herbs, oregano, dill.

Replyin to your spam with more spam.

Ah, so its spam when i do it.

No, I am not OK with pointless wastes of money for empty ideological reasons and spreading leftoid liberal nonsense globally.

I couldn't care less about what you're ok with.

Shitholes will not get better if you bomb em, they will get worse, so my approach with Africa and some backwards places like Afghanistan is to keep them at arms length.

True, shitholes cease to exist if you bomb em enough

Let them sort out their own shit and do not try and nation build or spread stupid ideologies there, you know, like your favorite neighbours tried to do in the 70s and 80s.
Left to their devices they will find low intensity ways to "amuse themselves" and turn into a self-fixing problem, read reducing their populations by stupidity, backwardness and internal conflict.

And few decades later you wonder how the hell China got free mining colonies in Africa.

back to the containment thread with you, this is not another one of your "Muh Russia" reeing threads!

Then why did you butt into this thread to whine about all the hippy useful idiot grievances from since the 1960's? This is not an anti western bullshit containment thread either.

You can do whatever you want, as long as it does not impact me, my country or the broader European economy, now man up, go get a gun and go shoot at the ivans instead of spamming here and wasting everyone's time.

Who the fuck made you the king of "broader European economy"?
I say nay, and if you don't like it, sod off to your favorite Ivans and whine to them about your pet peeves instead of spamming here and wasting everyone's time.

The bubble is popping and a country putting so much buck and getting such an underwhelming bang is indicative, but I am curious why you latch onto one of the least relevant counter argumnets and do not address the actual problems we listed that China has, ranging from neighbors that have a bad relationship with it and are quite well armed, to corruption, economic malaise and a disastrous demographics situation.
China has other huge problems, like 20% youth unemployment, too.

The CCP knows this, and they want to hold onto power and get out of their dependent, middle income, excessively export and real estate speculation-driven situation, for that they need to focus on alternate markets and dealing with those internal problems, because THEY WANT TO CONTINUE RULING.

Above all though, the biggest fear of the Chinese going back millennia is being encircled, and right now you and the other Russia Derangement syndrome sufferers have thrust all of the Russian resources and markets right into their hands.

Muh fears of poor anti western shitholes, good, they need to fear a hundred times more, for they clearly do not fear enough considering how they dare to act.

bullshit is exactly how I wpuld cathegorize a lot of your comments, yeah.

Well, before we start trying to take over other boats maybe we should throw our thieves and idiots over board, or promote them to galley slave and human leak blocker.

LMAO no one is trying to take over China or Russia.

Yeah, yeah, sure, the west's problems are all caused by external infiltration, and probably our bodily fluids being tainted by them evil Ivans and Chicoms, too.

Yup, the worst problems have started out with fulfilling demands of commie supported full time navel gazers, and various mutations of navel gazers cover at least a good majority of West's internal problems.

 

[Agent23]

Ah, so its spam when i do it.

Can you think more than one step/iteration ahead?
I say salt when you say something silly, you reply with pepper, which is basically nonsense on your part, then I respond in kind.

I couldn't care less about what you're ok with.

Yup, you are certainly showing it by constantly trying to get my attention and to respond to my posts, about which you allegedly do not care.

True, shitholes cease to exist if you bomb em enough

Are you advocating genocide now?
Cause that ain't good optics.

And few decades later you wonder how the hell China got free mining colonies in Africa.

...attached to dysfunctional shitholes rife with corruption that would make the Chinese look like the Singaporeans and a bunch of insurgencies all sapping Chinese resources.

Meanwhile, they will be forced to sell some of the mining output to us and we'd be able to make up for it from Latin America, Canada, the USA and the parts of Asia that dislike China.

Then why did you butt into this thread to whine about all the hippy useful idiot grievances from since the 1960's? This is not an anti western bullshit containment thread either.

You were the one who started bitching about muh 60s peacenicks, not me.

Who the fuck made you the king of "broader European economy"?

Tzar motherfucker, it is Tzar!

I say nay, and if you don't like it, sod off to your favorite Ivans and whine to them about your pet peeves instead of spamming here and wasting everyone's time.

Your AKA, or whatever Zelyo's foreign legion is using these days, is waiting for you...go get it, they won't be waiting for you long...

Muh fears of poor anti western shitholes, good, they need to fear a hundred times more, for they clearly do not fear enough considering how they dare to act.

Waste of fucking money and other resources.

LMAO no one is trying to take over China or Russia.

Yup, it is not like your baltoid buddies weren't doing a conference about splitting up russia, or that you poles and they haven't tried to do regime change in places like Belarus.

Yup, the worst problems have started out with fulfilling demands of commie supported full time navel gazers, and various mutations of navel gazers cover at least a good majority of West's internal problems.

I think that one major problem is the huge overstretch, financial and ideological, that the various neocucks and neolibs have inflicted upon the west in general with their maximalist messianic gibberish.
7 -8 trillion gone to try and improve the lot of a shithole, 20 years down the tubes, and we just replaced the Taliban with the Taliban, all the while the various governmnet cronies got richer.

We could have, you know, built better nuclear power plants, invested in mining the seafloor or even in robot outerspace mining and gotten more bang for our buck.

 

[Marduk]

Can you think more than one step/iteration ahead?
I say salt when you say something silly, you reply with pepper, which is basically nonsense on your part, then I respond in kind.

And that was my point, if i was to say salt every time you say something silly, i could just reply to you using one world and ctrl+c/ctr+v.

Yup, you are certainly showing it by constantly trying to get my attention and to respond to my posts, about which you allegedly do not care.

You came over here and quoted my post and responded to it first, do you suffer from memory problems?

Are you advocating genocide now?
Cause that ain't good optics.

Optics or not, it is a fact.

...attached to dysfunctional shitholes rife with corruption that would make the Chinese look like the Singaporeans and a bunch of insurgencies all sapping Chinese resources.

Meanwhile, they will be forced to sell some of the mining output to us and we'd be able to make up for it from Latin America, Canada, the USA and the parts of Asia that dislike China.

You were the one who started bitching about muh 60s peacenicks, not me.

Tzar motherfucker, it is Tzar!

Yup, definitely sod off to Ivans, they love their Tzars, and selling their 60's peacenik bullshit to naive westerners, it's practically a tradition by now.

Your AKA, or whatever Zelyo's foreign legion is using these days, is waiting for you...go get it, they won't be waiting for you long...

Waste of fucking money and other resources.

Yup, it is not like your baltoid buddies weren't doing a conference about splitting up russia, or that you poles and they haven't tried to do regime change in places like Belarus.

Lemme get the world's tiniest violin to play a sad song for Russia's fear of being split up by evil Baltoid empire. Totally reasonable fear btw. Trust me bro.
Sorry, Moscow's propaganda is something that's getting harder and harder to take seriously.

I think that one major problem is the huge overstretch, financial and ideological, that the various neocucks and neolibs have inflicted upon the west in general with their maximalist messianic gibberish.
7 -8 trillion gone to try and improve the lot of a shithole, 20 years down the tubes, and we just replaced the Taliban with the Taliban, all the while the various governmnet cronies got richer.

No, that's a minor problem in the grand scheme of things, and most of it is the internal problems fucking up less ambitious goals with their need to "try and improve the lot of a shithole". Even the neocon goal was to keep the islamists out of ruling the place, not to try make it into Europe, but also without evil colonialism because UN and OIC would get mad at that. That's too many contradictory goals and caveats. But that doesn't mean having none is a great idea.

We could have, you know, built better nuclear power plants, invested in mining the seafloor or even in robot outerspace mining and gotten more bang for our buck.

Yes, investments tend to work out much better without being retarded about how to do them. Yet the West is also retarded about nuclear already, will be retarded about seafloor mining as soon as it gets big because muh environment, and will probably figure out an excuse to be retarded about space mining, and in the cases we know already, it's the same faction of people who pushed the retardation in foreign policy the hardest, aka the watermelons.
Their bullshit needs to be pushed back against, and i mean all of it, including the foreign policy frontier, cede nothing to them.

 

[Agent23]

And that was my point, if i was to say salt every time you say something silly, i could just reply to you using one world and ctrl+c.

Go to remedial courses, your English not very good, Poliak!

You came over here and quoted my post and responded to it first, do you suffer from memory problems?

Yes, you were the one bitching about muh peacenicks, and that bitching and the peacenick hippies became a thing in the 60s.
And my post basically encompases all of the "hurr durr literally Hitler..." the neocucks in the sucurocracy and the MIC have used since then.

Optics or not, it is a fact.

Yup, definitely sod off to Ivans, they love their Tzars, and selling their 60's peacenik bullshit to naive westerners, it's practically a tradition by now.

Lemme get the world's tiniest violin to play a sad song for Russia's fear of being split up by evil Baltoid empire. Totally reasonable far btw. Trust me bro.
Sorry, Moscow's propaganda is something that's getting harder and harder to take seriously.

Pffttt... more like it being pissed off at a few mosquetoes, but when a bear decides to swat a mosquitoe it does lots of damage.

No, that's a minor problem in the grand scheme of things, and most of it is the internal problems fucking up less ambitious goals with their need to "try and improve the lot of a shithole". Even the neocon goal was to keep the islamists out of ruling the place, not to try make it into Europe, but also without evil colonialism because UN and OIC would get mad at that. That's too many contradictory goals and caveats. But that doesn't mean having none is a great idea.

And ultimately, what did those 20 years and 8-9 trillion buy us?


The Taliban, back, now with several billion of US weapons.

The whole exercise of making the place democratic and "free" was an exercise in futility, and Osama was neither born there, nor captured there, the good US budddies in Pakistan have a lot to answer for where his residence there is concerned.

Democracy promotion and "nation building" do not work.

Yes, investments tend to work out much better without being retarded about how to do them. Yet the West is also retarded about nuclear already, will be retarded about seafloor mining as soon as it gets big because muh environment, and will probably figure out an excuse to be retarded about space mining, and in the cases we know already, it's the same faction of people who pushed the retardation in foreign policy the hardest, aka the watermelons.
Their bullshit needs to be pushed back against, and i mean all of it, including the foreign policy frontier, cede nothing to them.

maybe before we start chasing illusionary enemies without and going after minority grudges, we should deal with the enemy within in that case.

 

[Marduk]

Go to remedial courses, your English not very good, Poliak!

Argument ad typo, LMAO.

Yes, you were the one bitching about muh peacenicks, and that bitching and the peacenick hippies became a thing in the 60s.
And my post basically encompases all of the "hurr durr literally Hitler..." the neocucks in the sucurocracy and the MIC have used since then.

And... you felt the need to jump in to defend the honor of the leftist bastards because muh neocucks and MIC, which is also what the leftist bastards always said?

Pffttt... more like it being pissed off at a few mosquetoes, but when a bear decides to swat a mosquitoe it does lots of damage.


And ultimately, what did those 20 years and 8-9 trillion buy us?

Should have bought an examples, and no need to asspull numbers, few hundreds billions of contractor graft is bad enough.
What did it buy? AQ got relegated to second rate terror org league.

The Taliban, back, now with several billion of US weapons.

The whole exercise of making the place democratic and "free" was an exercise in futility, and Osama was neither born there, nor captured there, the good US budddies in Pakistan have a lot to answer for where his residence there is concerned.

He was basing there until Americans came.
And none of the misdirection bullshit with me, we both know he ran off to Pakistan only once the intervention made staying untenable for him.
It was never about taking out the Taliban for good, that would require extending the operation to Pakistan, no other way.
Yeah, making the place merely regret letting AQ base there would have been cheaper, clearer and quicker.

Democracy promotion and "nation building" do not work.

maybe before we start chasing illusionary enemies without and going after minority grudges, we should deal with the enemy within in that case.

You still don't get it. The same people who spread this navel gazing sentiment about "muh western oppression of third world shitholes who did nothing wrong, your fault, apologize NOW and let other powers go 4X without as much as one sanction!" are also the tip of the spear of the enemy within. How does surrendering foreign policy to them help fight them?

 

[Abhorsen]

@Marduk? @Agent23? Both of you just block the other one already, and the world will be a better place. Please stop talking to each other, no one cares about who cheated on who first.

 

[Bacle]

@Marduk? @Agent23? Both of you just block the other one already, and the world will be a better place. Please stop talking to each other, no one cares about who cheated on who first.

Fuck that, @Marduk dismantles the vatnik's idiotic argument's like no one else, and does it in detail.

 

[Agent23]

Argument ad typo, LMAO.

Well, you can't into baisc english, I guess sarcasm is beyond you, too.

And... you felt the need to jump in to defend the honor of the leftist bastards because muh neocucks and MIC, which is also what the leftist bastards always said?

Should have bought an examples, and no need to asspull numbers, few hundreds billions of contractor graft is bad enough.
What did it buy? AQ got relegated to second rate terror org league.

20 years, trillions down the tubes, thousands of extra dead, and a failed attempt at democracy promotion, yeah, sure, you got a real bang for your buck.

Only to find and kill the top people of that marginal organization with Osama and at least one other top person being killed outside of Afghanistan.

The September 11th attacks were something that involved at most a few dozen people and couldn't have cost more than a million dollars, and was also organized from/through Saudi Arabia and probably pakistan, too.


The huge spergout/democracy promotion/20 years of wasted effort by the USA was thousands of times bigger.


So, yeah, Osama kinda got what he wanted, which was to make the USA overreact.

He was basing there until Americans came.
And none of the misdirection bullshit with me, we both know he ran off to Pakistan only once the intervention made staying untenable for him.
Yeah, making the place merely regret letting AQ base there would have been cheaper, clearer and quicker.

The only bullshit here is your inability to understand asymmetric warfare.

You still don't get it. The same people who spread this navel gazing sentiment about "muh western oppression of third world shitholes who did nothing wrong, your fault, apologize NOW and let other powers go 4X without as much as one sanction!" are also the tip of the spear of the enemy within.

Some were shitholes, and some were turned into worse shitholes by western greed and stupidity.
Like for example the shit the USA got to in the Philipines and the French - in Indo-China.

How does surrendering foreign policy to them help fight them?

No one is "surrendering" anything, we are just stopping the polic"y of "play stupid games, win stupid prizes, and give your liberast ideological enemies ammo and supporters.
And we are rerouting the funds to alternate sources of minerals and energy, then we point to artisanal lithium mining and ask the leftoids if this is what they want for the poor, downtrodden of the earth by blocking undersea mining and nuclear.


I mean, for me the only relevant moral high ground is where I put my artillery, but that doesn't meand that we can't use it as a weapon against the leftoids.

 

[Agent23]

@Marduk? @Agent23? Both of you just block the other one already, and the world will be a better place. Please stop talking to each other, no one cares about who cheated on who first.

I can not block moderators, the forum software does not permit it.

And the Bronekokoshka is not completely insane, in between his usual neocon and Muh Poland/Ree russia ejaculations there is the occasional grain of truth.

Also, I am quite sure a few people come here just to see us fight.

 

[King Arts]

@Marduk? @Agent23? Both of you just block the other one already, and the world will be a better place. Please stop talking to each other, no one cares about who cheated on who first.

You know I wonder how a marriage and kids between them would work out if they were opposite gender.

 

[Abhorsen]

I can not block moderators, the forum software does not permit it.

You've demonstrated an extension that lets you do it client side. Use that. Please.

 

[Agent23]

You've demonstrated an extension that lets you do it client side. Use that. Please.

That was just for desktop and it is not auto-synced, also it kinda breaks some functionality of the site and I am too lazy to migrate/improve it, and I hate JavaScript.

Lust shovel out spergouts into a containment thread, and you can make it pay per view.

Slav tism general.