Military US Military Is Scared Americans Won't Fight For Globalism

Most older vets dint know how to leverage what they are able to do and didn't take advantage while in to help better themselves.
It is a sad truth that it is only for those that seek as well.
The VA needs to be fixed
 
The Whispering Monk said:
This is about the limit of how far 98% of the population plans for.
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In a time of chaos that's actually pretty reasonable, think about how much change and how much crazy shit went down during the 20th century, how much shit has happened just in the last 20 years alone. The problem with planning a complicated life plan is that we do not live in stable time. Which means your plans can easily be completely upended.
 
Cherico said:
Machiavelli spent entire chapters telling potential rulers why mercs were a bad idea.
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Yes, exactly, and making monetary incentives higher on the motivation list than patriotism is moving in the mercenary direction.

He IIRC also spent a decent amount of time telling people why attacking a city with a republican style government is dangerous to attack - because that thing called patriotism exists and might get the populace to fight all the harder to make sure it is not under some heredita despot.
You know, city air makes people free, and all that shit.

I really need to re-read that book one of these days.
 
Morphic Tide said:
Wasn't "The Prince" something of a "Hard Men Making Hard Decisions While Hard" parody of the popular "heir help book" genre? Bunch of stuff he found actively detestable and more than a few things that were easily observed as dysfunctional even then? Because he was a rather intense republic-favoritist.
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Nope, it was a CV + cover letter + attempt to suck up to one of the Medici bigwigs and get old Mac a job.
 
Agent23 said:
Yes, exactly, and making monetary incentives higher on the motivation list than patriotism is moving in the mercenary direction.

He IIRC also spent a decent amount of time telling people why attacking a city with a republican style government is dangerous to attack - because that thing called patriotism exists and might get the populace to fight all the harder to make sure it is not under some heredita despot.
You know, city air makes people free, and all that shit.

I really need to re-read that book one of these days.
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Depends. Wait long enough, and that enemy republic has a likelihood of corrupting into a plutocracy/kleptocracy.

A monarchy in which everyone* sincerely loves the king, because he's a high-charisma figure who also enacts wise policies, would be a high-patriotism culture as well.

* Not counting the people who want to change the society into one in which they rule and everyone else is enslaved, and who hate the king for not allowing that.
 
Scottty said:
Depends. Wait long enough, and that enemy republic has a likelihood of corrupting into a plutocracy/kleptocracy.

A monarchy in which everyone* sincerely loves the king, because he's a high-charisma figure who also enacts wise policies, would be a high-patriotism culture as well.

* Not counting the people who want to change the society into one in which they rule and everyone else is enslaved, and who hate the king for not allowing that.
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Well back then it was city states and feudal lords.

The city states hardly had universal suffrage and free gibs, and were encircled by enemies on all sides.

So that kept a degree of civic virtue alive among some of the burgers, pun intended.
 
Agent23 said:
Well back then it was city states and feudal lords.

The city states hardly had universal suffrage and free gibs, and were encircled by enemies on all sides.

So that kept a degree of civic virtue alive among some of the burgers, pun intended.
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Since the time of the Ancient Greeks, the main argument against Democracy has always been that it means all the stupid people get to vote.
 
DarthOne said:
Which is why the USA is a representative republic.
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I thought it was a constitutional one?

I hate democracies, they are one step from mob rule and stealing the productive parts of phr population's money to pay for gibs for the mass of useless parasites.

Not the biggest fan of Churchill, but he was spot on with his wolves and a sheep description of democracies and republics.
 
Agent23 said:
I thought it was a constitutional one?

I hate democracies, they are one step from mob rule and stealing the productive parts of phr population's money to pay for gibs for the mass of useless parasites.

Not the biggest fan of Churchill, but he was spot on with his wolves and a sheep description of democracies and republics.
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That was Ben Franklin.
And honestly a pure democracy is better than an oligarchy that masquerades as a republic or democracy.
 
Agent23 said:
I thought it was a constitutional one?
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DarthOne said:
Sorry, a constitutional representative republic.
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You forgot two critical descriptors: Federal and Democratic. The US is a Federal Constitutional Representative Democratic Republic. To break it down:

Federal - Sovereign power is divided between a central authority and a number of constituent political units (in the United States case those are, of course, the States).

Constitutional - We have written documents (the Federal Constitution and each State Constitution) that serves as the basis for government and is considered the highest law of the land.

Representative - The government is made up people who are granted the ability to speak and make decisions for others.

Democratic - Representatives are chosen by elections by the people.

Republic - Not a Monarchy.

I know this sounds nitpicky, but the Federal especially is important in the context of the United States. There are many areas where, at the end of the day, the States simple have the final word or the most power. For instance, when interpreting State Constitutions the final word on what a State Constitution means is said State's highest court, and the US Federal Courts, including the Supreme Court, cannot contravene them (though they CAN say part of a State Constitution conflicts with the Federal Constitution and thus must be changed or annulled, but that's a different thing). Criminal law is another area like this, where the vast majority of the power to create and enforce criminal law is held by the States and it's really only special cases where the Federal government handles criminal law (crimes that cross state lines, crimes on Federal land, and other such things).
 
S'task said:
You forgot two critical descriptors: Federal and Democratic. The US is a Federal Constitutional Representative Democratic Republic. To break it down:

Federal - Sovereign power is divided between a central authority and a number of constituent political units (in the United States case those are, of course, the States).

Constitutional - We have written documents (the Federal Constitution and each State Constitution) that serves as the basis for government and is considered the highest law of the land.

Representative - The government is made up people who are granted the ability to speak and make decisions for others.

Democratic - Representatives are chosen by elections by the people.

Republic - Not a Monarchy.

I know this sounds nitpicky, but the Federal especially is important in the context of the United States. There are many areas where, at the end of the day, the States simple have the final word or the most power. For instance, when interpreting State Constitutions the final word on what a State Constitution means is said State's highest court, and the US Federal Courts, including the Supreme Court, cannot contravene them (though they CAN say part of a State Constitution conflicts with the Federal Constitution and thus must be changed or annulled, but that's a different thing). Criminal law is another area like this, where the vast majority of the power to create and enforce criminal law is held by the States and it's really only special cases where the Federal government handles criminal law (crimes that cross state lines, crimes on Federal land, and other such things).
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Thank you very much, i stand corrected.
 
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