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Agent23

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I'd take that statement more seriously if you didn't misspell it. :ROFLMAO:

You have drunken the Russian Kool Aid so much you take their bullshit without critical thinking. The Russians took an existing Ballistic missile. Figured out a way to mount it to an aircraft. And claimed it was a Hypersonic missile. So Mr Wanting to play word lawyer let's see the exact definition of a Hypersonic Missile.


After many decades of conducting basic research, the Department of Defense (DoD) recently increased its spending to develop technology for hypersonic weapons. The Air Force, Army, and Navy all plan to field hypersonic missiles within the next few years. China and Russia have stated that they are also fielding such weapons.

The term "hypersonic weapon" is often misapplied. Strictly speaking, it refers to a missile that travels at speeds at least five times the speed of sound in air (Mach 5 or above) and that spends most of its flight inside the Earth's atmosphere (rather than in space), where it can use aerodynamic design features to maneuver.

The combination of long range, high speed, and maneuverability distinguishes the hypersonic weapons that DoD is developing from the conventional strike weapons in the U.S. military's current inventory. Hypersonic missiles are considered a possible counter to the antiaccess and area-denial (A2/AD) systems that potential near-peer adversaries such as China and Russia are deploying to prevent U.S. forces from operating freely in their regions. In theory, hypersonic weapons could be launched from outside the range of those systems and could reach targets within minutes over medium to intermediate ranges (from hundreds to a few thousands of kilometers), with a high degree of accuracy and less vulnerability to defenses than existing missiles.1

The Congressional Budget Office analyzed the relative capabilities and possible costs of hypersonic missiles and potential alternatives in scenarios in which long-range, rapid-response weapons might be useful. CBO found that hypersonic missiles with sufficient ranges for A2/AD scenarios—at least 1,000 kilometers (km), or about 600 miles, for missiles launched from aircraft and at least 3,000 km, or about 1,900 miles, for missiles launched from the ground or sea—have the speed to be useful in the early stages of a conflict with a near-peer adversary.

Hypersonic missiles with those ranges, however, would be more expensive than similar ballistic missiles and pose much greater technical challenges (see Figure S-1). CBO estimates that hypersonic missiles would cost roughly one-third more than ballistic missiles with maneuverable warheads that had the same range and accuracy and traveled at similar speeds. (The United States does not currently field such ballistic missiles, but the technology for them is well developed.)
Ok, in that case USA had an air launched hypersonic missile in the 60's and no one gives a crap about old tech like that.

Invest in some sense before trying to pull the dictionary against people who know the shit you are talking about better than you do.
The hype about hypersonic weapons is for a different kind, if you want to pretend you don't know that and pull the dictionary on people, ok, by your definition it's a total nothingburger, a tech discarded as uninteresting before we were born.
You guys are really playing with definitions here...

And still gushing over something that is in the prototype stage.

And if I am drinking Russian cool aid, then a certain pole is gobbling up MIC prototype brochures hook line and sinker.


Yeah, if we can get to military airplane porn that would be great.
Mako is a type of shark.
Poor shark, I hope it got to munch on whoever stuck it with such a dumb name.
 

Zachowon

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It's because the US strives for perfection innits systems.
And may already have something mass produced wnd wokt tell us till a decade later.
Like the 117
 

PsihoKekec

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Funny part is that he claims to military intelligence, while being semi-literate at best. Kind of outlier compared to intelligence people I meat over the years.

It's because the US strives for perfection innits systems.

You mean like F-35? How many times has it been grounded due to unsolved design issues so far?
 

Agent23

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Funny part is that he claims to military intelligence, while being semi-literate at best. Kind of outlier compared to intelligence people I meat over the years.



You mean like F-35? How many times has it been grounded due to unsolved design issues so far?
I mean, I make some pretty bas mistakes when I shitpost from my phone, too.

I mean bad, but you can see how easy it is to misspell.

So I am(according to my phone kinds) kinda willing to look at it from his prespective now, given that it will be hypocritical to do otherwise..

That, and I like his opinions around 40k.
 

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I'd take that statement more seriously if you didn't misspell it. :ROFLMAO:



You guys are really playing with definitions here...

And still gushing over something that is in the prototype stage.

And if I am drinking Russian cool aid, then a certain pole is gobbling up MIC prototype brochures hook line and sinker.
You were given the definition and had it explained why Kinzhal fails it already, yet you are accusing other of playing with definitions.
Either are too stupid to understand a simple 3 condition based definition and how not meeting one of the 3 conditions still means failing it, or you are trolling by pretending to.
 

Zachowon

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Funny part is that he claims to military intelligence, while being semi-literate at best. Kind of outlier compared to intelligence people I meat over the years.
I just type to fast for my phone to keep up and I am too lazy to use autocorrect when not at work.
You mean like F-35? How many times has it been grounded due to unsolved design issues so far?
I mean, not that many? The Osprey has been grounded more. The 35 is still the largest fleet of 5th generation Aircraft and still going.
Israel is using them and they havnt been grounded there.

Mainly the B varient, the VTOL version has had the most issues
 

Sailor.X

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I'd take that statement more seriously if you didn't misspell it. :ROFLMAO:



You guys are really playing with definitions here...

And still gushing over something that is in the prototype stage.

And if I am drinking Russian cool aid, then a certain pole is gobbling up MIC prototype brochures hook line and sinker.


Yeah, if we can get to military airplane porn that would be great.

Poor shark, I hope it got to munch on whoever stuck it with such a dumb name.
Look here when they DOD shows you something that is quote unquote in the Prototype phase. They are telling you a more advanced system is already in service and is not publicly disclosed. It is the DODs mo and has been for 70 years.
 

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Same with every single Soviet system.

I remember back in the runup to Desert Storm there were constant articles about how the F-15 was useless, the Abrams was trash, every single bit of kit in the US inventory was garbage, etc etc etc. Those people are the same ones trashing the F-35 today.
 

Agent23

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Same with every single Soviet system.

I remember back in the runup to Desert Storm there were constant articles about how the F-15 was useless, the Abrams was trash, every single bit of kit in the US inventory was garbage, etc etc etc. Those people are the same ones trashing the F-35 today.
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Lol, you might want to put whatever 'old' was between das and boot. :)

I don't think that the F-16, F-15, F-18 or even the F-22 had as many setbacks and cost overruns as the Pidgeon has.

Then again, those were all designed when the USA was thinking it would go to WWIII with a near peer competitor, meanehile, the F-35 was designed in peacetime, by an INTERNATIONAL committee after lots of US arms industry consolidation and the neocons gaining lots of traction.
 

Agent23

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so, once again trump was right.
the us could develop a hyper sonic missile if it got off it's ass.:)
Wanna bet whatever success that program will eventually is bhave ecause Trump pushed for the project during his presidency, probably after the deep state around him tried to block it because they thought Orange Man Stupid?
 

LordSunhawk

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To get a good analysis of F-35 development you have to realize that it is actually 3 separate base airframes rolled into a single program. The most troublesome of them being the F-35B. By comparison, it took over thirty years for the AV-8 series to become combat capable, and arguably it was never particularly effective in a 'peer' battlefield. The Soviet equivalent Forger never became combat capable at all. By comparison, the F-35A and C variants have had relatively little issue outside of common software integration, and considering that the software side of the project was incredibly ambitious I am not at all surprised that there have been issues with it.
 

Zachowon

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I mean, it isn't without flaws.
And do you know what is considered a deficiency in the military btw?
Fluids nit being topped off. Things not being out back properly.
 

Sailor.X

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so, once again trump was right.
the us could develop a hyper sonic missile if it got off it's ass.:)
Everything military techwise you see hit the news today was developed and prototyped during the late 80s and early 90s. Back when I was stationed in the Carribbean I saw the Seaborne laser tested and Hypersonic Aircraft with speeds above Mach 5. Back during the Cold War the US tested all of the secret tech down there because once you get south of Puerto Rico. You have nothing but open ocean until you hit South America. And the morons would be to busy camping outside of Area 51 to actually get a clue that Area 51 is the decoy base.
 

Zachowon

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Everything military techwise you see hit the news today was developed and prototyped during the late 80s and early 90s. Back when I was stationed in the Carribbean I saw the Seaborne laser tested and Hypersonic Aircraft with speeds above Mach 5. Back during the Cold War the US tested all of the secret tech down there because once you get south of Puerto Rico. You have nothing but open ocean until you hit South America. And the morons would be to busy camping outside of Area 51 to actually get a clue that Area 51 is the decoy base.
It isn't a decoy base. It's the AF test base with hundreds of miles of open area
 

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