That had a lot of Kooks and Weirdos camping outside of it Calling into
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True lolThat had a lot of Kooks and Weirdos camping outside of it Calling into
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Typhonis
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Sounds like the Reformers in the Pentagon. I got an earful about them watching Laserpig during a binge session.
If they were in charge our jets would only have guns, could only fly during daylight hours and in clear blue skies and would lack radars and other advanced electronics.
Pretty much, yeah. I actually just found the... magazine... one of the articles was reprinted in, it was also in the NYT Magazine and Time, but the one I have is... Playboy
Typhonis
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Which issue?Pretty much, yeah. I actually just found the... magazine... one of the articles was reprinted in, it was also in the NYT Magazine and Time, but the one I have is... Playboy
gral
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I, too, read them for the interviews.Pretty much, yeah. I actually just found the... magazine... one of the articles was reprinted in, it was also in the NYT Magazine and Time, but the one I have is... Playboy
I will neither confirm nor deny that it was the December 1990 issue.
<Insert peperodge farm meme.>
Lol, you might want to put whatever 'old' was between das and boot.
I don't think that the F-16, F-15, F-18 or even the F-22 had as many setbacks and cost overruns as the Pidgeon has.
Then again, those were all designed when the USA was thinking it would go to WWIII with a near peer competitor, meanehile, the F-35 was designed in peacetime, by an INTERNATIONAL committee after lots of US arms industry consolidation and the neocons gaining lots of traction.
F-15: 123 USAF aircraft lost with 52 fatalities, plus about another fifty export aircraft lost.
F-35: Eight aircraft lost with 1 fatality.
Agent23
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Oh, my, a 50+ year aircraft designed back in the day when computers were less powerful than a modern day pocket calculator and when things like ejection seats and other safety mechanism were less advanced is indeed a very good comparison.
I mean, it is not like many years of use do not degrade components or that the more hours a craft is flown the likelyer some mishap occurs.
Ranging from pilot error to some design or manufacture fault.
Try fucking again.
Oh, and of course there is no source for your numbers.
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Actually, Agent, she was comparing developmental aircraft, not over entire lifespan of program. AKA Apples to Apples.
Right now the F-15 is arguably the greatest combat aircraft to have ever flown, yet it had a very troubled development of its own which saw critics demanding the program's cancellation as it was clearly a failed program. Sound familiar? So, in a way, you are the one saying 'This time it's different'.
Right now the F-15 is arguably the greatest combat aircraft to have ever flown, yet it had a very troubled development of its own which saw critics demanding the program's cancellation as it was clearly a failed program. Sound familiar? So, in a way, you are the one saying 'This time it's different'.
The F-14, F-15, and F-16 all had absolutely horrific accident rates in their early years, primarily due to the major design fault of having extremely unreliable engines. And the only reason the F-15's accident rate wasn't even higher was that it had two engines.
Well, let's make it really detailed then.
The F-15 entered service in 1976. US aircraft losses in the first five years of service were twenty-three aircraft lost, fourteen fatalities.
The F-16 entered service in 1978. US aircraft losses in the first five years of service were thirty-five aircraft lost, eleven fatalities.
The F-35 entered service in 2015. US aircraft losses in the first five years of service were four aircraft lost, zero fatalities.
The F-15 entered service in 1976. US aircraft losses in the first five years of service were twenty-three aircraft lost, fourteen fatalities.
The F-16 entered service in 1978. US aircraft losses in the first five years of service were thirty-five aircraft lost, eleven fatalities.
The F-35 entered service in 2015. US aircraft losses in the first five years of service were four aircraft lost, zero fatalities.
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F16 is/was fun b/c of its inherent instability.
Agent23
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Yes, and that does not invalidate my point about safety tech and computers being far more primitive years ago, thus requiring more hands on testing and leading to more fatalities.
And I am not talking about deaths here, but the overall speed of development and cost overruns, and finding lots of flaws AFTER the aircraft has been put into service.
And if you look at it performance wise, the F-15 is still faster than the F-35, it can go Mach 2.7 vs. 1.6
The F-15 was groundbreaking and developed at a time when there was panic about the MiG-25, the F-35 on the other hand exists because you guys needed a cheaper F-22 that could do more for less and could be
You do realize that the Taliban airforce could not even down early CIA spy drones, after resorting to trying to ram em and failing with old MiG-21s, right?
So, yeah, apples and oranges.
And it will be nice if you provide citations for your claims.
Also, can we get back to aircraft pr0n already?
You've already been given the exact numbers from public records, there is nothing secret or hidden about them.
That you can't be arsed to verify public information is not my problem, it's a you problem.
That you can't be arsed to verify public information is not my problem, it's a you problem.
Agent23
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Citation needed.
The F-35 is not an export knockoff of the F-22. The F-35 is a multi-role strike fighter, a completely different role from the pure air superiority F-22. And development of the F-35 started all the way back in the 1980s, so it is likewise completely false to say that it was "conceived and developed" to bully minor threats.
As for the European fighter industry, the Eurofailure Typhoon fails just fine without any supposed American conspiracy -- the Rafale and the Gripen already utterly humiliate it in terms of technical excellence and efficient performance, the F-35 is merely the fifth-generation cherry on top.