Warbirds Thread

[Carrot of Truth]

Increasingly endangered airframe in Poland, the MiG-29.

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Would be cool to have one of those for private use.

 

[Batrix2070]

Increasingly endangered airframe in Poland, the MiG-29.

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While Su-22s aren't going anywhere. Ironically.

 

[PsihoKekec]

Ukrainians never used them, so they don't have trained pilots and maintenance crews.

 

[Marduk]

Ukrainians never used them, so they don't have trained pilots and maintenance crews.

>never
Never since they put them in museums at least...
They had the non-export Su-17 variant.


Why not sent yet? Because the pilots have to fly on something to keep their training hours and qualifications up.
According to this, they will go to Ukraine too once at least some recently ordered FA-50's arrive.

Ukraine's Air Force Is Reinforced With Upgraded Su-22 From Poland - Military-wiki

Poland will most likely send its entire upgraded Su-22 fighter-bomber fleet to Ukraine after they have a replacement product. This is similar to the case of previous MiG-29 fighters. Poland recently signed a contract with Korea to buy 12 FA-50 Block 10 multirole fighters for $700 million. The...

military-wiki.com

First 12 are supposed to start arriving in August, so i'd guess they will be handed over around third or fourth quarter of the year.

 

[ATP]

>never
Never since they put them in museums at least...
They had the non-export Su-17 variant.


Why not sent yet? Because the pilots have to fly on something to keep their training hours and qualifications up.
According to this, they will go to Ukraine too once at least some recently ordered FA-50's arrive.

Ukraine's Air Force Is Reinforced With Upgraded Su-22 From Poland - Military-wiki

Poland will most likely send its entire upgraded Su-22 fighter-bomber fleet to Ukraine after they have a replacement product. This is similar to the case of previous MiG-29 fighters. Poland recently signed a contract with Korea to buy 12 FA-50 Block 10 multirole fighters for $700 million. The...

military-wiki.com

First 12 are supposed to start arriving in August, so i'd guess they will be handed over around third or fourth quarter of the year.

Wait,we arleady buyed 50,right? is it part of that deal,or new one ?
No matter what - at least our neosanacja idiots are waiting for replacment.

 

[Marduk]

Wait,we arleady buyed 50,right? is it part of that deal,or new one ?
No matter what - at least our neosanacja idiots are waiting for replacment.

It's that deal. The first 12 will be arriving this year, the rest will be a different variant assembled in Poland since 2025, once done the first 12 will be upgraded to the same variant as the later ones..

 

[Husky_Khan]

The South African Atlas Cheetah.

I actually like the color scheme. That nose though...

 

[Spartan303]

The True winged Lord of the Skies...

 

[Carrot of Truth]

The True winged Lord of the Skies...

This is its only true rival, From what I've read it actually outperformed it In most metrics as well.

 

[PsihoKekec]

YF-23 was much better looking aircraft than YF-22. Now while YF-35 is nothing special in looks department, at least it is not YF-32.

 

[Spartan303]

This is its only true rival, From what I've read it actually outperformed it In most metrics as well.

Indeed it did. Infact it did so well, with a little update to avionics, computers and sensors you might have a ready made 6th Generation fighter right there. At the very least Generation 5.5.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Indeed it did. Infact it did so well, with a little update to avionics, computers and sensors you might have a ready made 6th Generation fighter right there. At the very least Generation 5.5.

It's stealth capabilities we're also on par with the F22 and better in some respects.

 

[Pef]

Didn't the YF 23 designs end up in Russia and China, after being rejected by US Airforce?

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Didn't the YF 23 designs end up in Russia and China, after being rejected by US Airforce?

No it has been offered to the Japanese though.

 

[PsihoKekec]

Didn't the YF 23 designs end up in Russia and China, after being rejected by US Airforce?

You are mistaking it for IAI Lavi, whose design the Greatest Ally sold to China, where it served as basis for J-10.

 

[ATP]

You are mistaking it for IAI Lavi, whose design the Greatest Ally sold to China, where it served as basis for J-10.

That true - but i read once,that China 5th generation fighter plans were stealed from USA.

 

[PsihoKekec]

It's unlikely to have been YF-23 though, the Chinese mass hacker breaches of networks of defense industry contractors started in the late 90s, YF-23 data has been air gapped by then, the data they stole came from F-22 and F-35, possibly also YF-32.

 

[Aaron Fox]

It should be noted that there are very few ways to stealth an aircraft, and features that would, say, make an aircraft easier to maneuver would absolutely ruin the stealth features... which leads to stealth aircraft being basically the same.

 

[Zachowon]

And yet we know the Raptor can do all the shit the best planes the Russians and Chinese have

 

[Carrot of Truth]

The J-20 strikes me as probably being on par with an F-18 and nowhere near an F22 or F35