Warship Appreciation Thread

All the Treasury-class was was rebadged Eries, and while they were excellent ASW boats, they were useless at anything else. Also note that the 'kill rate' is deceptive, there were a small number of Treasury-class ships, and they served longer than the various DE classes of which there were an order of magnitude more. They sank 4 enemy submarines between all 7 ships for the loss of 1 of their own.

The problem with using lengthened Coast Guard ships (I'm assuming you are talking about the Legend class?) is the 28 knot maximum speed, the CODAG propulsion plant, and that they are actually relatively lightly built (the decks are only stressed for up to 57mm guns, for example, rather than 5").

While they meet DC standards, and can be upgraded to a decent Frigate, they are FFs, not DDs.

I'd start with a Flight III Burke hull, delete everything above the weather deck, a new superstructure featuring a lighter radar suite optimized for self-defense and surface action, better integrate the towed array rather than have it as an afterthought, duel 5", 1 fore, 1 aft, a pair of 16 cell VLS systems for a mix of ASW, Anti-Ship, and Land Attack missiles, 2 of the same lateral VLS arrays used in the Zumwalts loaded with ESSM quad packs for self defense, since by the time any such ship could be built we'll have more programmatic experience with the IPS (once they ironed out the bugs on the Zums, the IPS became quite reliable) that wouldn't be the One New Thing, instead I'd install a suite of laser-based anti-missile/drone systems as the 'One New Thing'.
If you want an "I can do everything" general purpose ship it's going to be extremely expensive and the budget is going to be "yes".

There's a reason most ships have specific roles. A battleship isn't launching an airstrike and an aircraft carrier will be told to "be somewhere else" when a gunfight starts.
 
If you want an "I can do everything" general purpose ship it's going to be extremely expensive and the budget is going to be "yes".

There's a reason most ships have specific roles. A battleship isn't launching an airstrike and an aircraft carrier will be told to "be somewhere else" when a gunfight starts.
There the hell did you get 'I can do everything' when I'm specifically discounting anti-air and ABM missions from the mission list to have a *general purpose* boat, like the SpruCan. No AEGIS, no BMD.

Do you even have the foggiest idea what a general purpose destroyer even is in naval terms?
 
There the hell did you get 'I can do everything' when I'm specifically discounting anti-air and ABM missions from the mission list to have a *general purpose* boat, like the SpruCan. No AEGIS, no BMD.

Do you even have the foggiest idea what a general purpose destroyer even is in naval terms?
I do.

The Spruances were DD's. They weren't classified as DDG's even after they got refits which gave them Harpoon missiles, CIWS, and a VLS box launcher.
 
After we get the General Purpose Destroyers and Frigates. We need to revisit getting a proper Cruiser. A ship that can operate far from a Battlegroup and do the show the flag and other duties that don't require a Battlegroup showing up. Preferably nuclear powered for global range.
 
After we get the General Purpose Destroyers and Frigates. We need to revisit getting a proper Cruiser. A ship that can operate far from a Battlegroup and do the show the flag and other duties that don't require a Battlegroup showing up. Preferably nuclear powered for global range.

And with railgun powered by it.
 
There the hell did you get 'I can do everything' when I'm specifically discounting anti-air and ABM missions from the mission list to have a *general purpose* boat, like the SpruCan. No AEGIS, no BMD.

Do you even have the foggiest idea what a general purpose destroyer even is in naval terms?
To be fair even the Zumwalts have some form of AEGIS and they're the closest thing to your GP DD the USN has. Its sort of the requirement these days. That being said it seems to me that the next generation of USN DDs is going to be more of GP design albeit one that is still a very capable AA boat
 
Here's one I don't think has been on here before.

May I present the Leander class frigate, the workhorse of the Royal Navy during the Cold War. Not quite an Arleigh Burke, but a cracking ship all the same.

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After we get the General Purpose Destroyers and Frigates. We need to revisit getting a proper Cruiser. A ship that can operate far from a Battlegroup and do the show the flag and other duties that don't require a Battlegroup showing up. Preferably nuclear powered for global range.
not really sure what you would need to do for that as far as specifications go. between subs, missiles, air craft, and satellite spotters you would have a hell of a time designing something worthwhile that can operate outside a battlegroup.
 
not really sure what you would need to do for that as far as specifications go. between subs, missiles, air craft, and satellite spotters you would have a hell of a time designing something worthwhile that can operate outside a battlegroup.
Having a Nuclear Powered non Carrier Surface Combatant gives us options that the Burkes, Zumwalts and Ticos currently don't. A ship with extreme range. Whose only limitation is food and crew endurance. And Cruisers have always been the non carrier nuke ships.
 
not really sure what you would need to do for that as far as specifications go. between subs, missiles, air craft, and satellite spotters you would have a hell of a time designing something worthwhile that can operate outside a battlegroup.
That's the point of Cruisers. They're big enough that they threaten virtually everything. They're also big enough that they can pack some serious defensive depth in a squadron formation. Missile and torpedo threats can be dealt with to a fairly well too. Size also lets them pack some helos for anti-sub work or to help thicken up surface defenses against swarm tactics like small torpedo boats use. Slap on nuke power and you really get world spanning cruise ranges subject only to food, water and crew; side benefit is you'll also have the power to run DEWs in offensive and defensive roles assuming you have the tech.
 
That's the point of Cruisers. They're big enough that they threaten virtually everything. They're also big enough that they can pack some serious defensive depth in a squadron formation. Missile and torpedo threats can be dealt with to a fairly well too. Size also lets them pack some helos for anti-sub work or to help thicken up surface defenses against swarm tactics like small torpedo boats use. Slap on nuke power and you really get world spanning cruise ranges subject only to food, water and crew; side benefit is you'll also have the power to run DEWs in offensive and defensive roles assuming you have the tech.
There are several problems with nuke plants:

- they are much more fragile than other types
- they are heavier than other types
- they can not be completletly shut down
- you're always one "oppsie" away from "abandon ship"

There's a reason why the USN only uses them for submarines and aircraft carriers.
 
There are several problems with nuke plants:

- they are much more fragile than other types
- they are heavier than other types
- they can not be completletly shut down
- you're always one "oppsie" away from "abandon ship"

There's a reason why the USN only uses them for submarines and aircraft carriers.
Wrong!!!!
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There are reasons why all of them have all been decomissioned and weren't replaced by nucluear powered ships.
The reason was the antics of Congress and the Clinton Administration. Clinton had a hate boner for all the old Cold War units and equipment. Just google the amount of ships he did not let go into Mothball. And google how many of the various good specialty units the Military had that he disbanded. Only for the DOD to have to recreate them after his Presidency.
 
The reason was the antics of Congress and the Clinton Administration. Clinton had a hate boner for all the old Cold War units and equipment. Just google the amount of ships he did not let go into Mothball. And google how many of the various good specialty units the Military had that he disbanded. Only for the DOD to have to recreate them after his Presidency.
You have a hateboner for Bill. I do not. He actally mananged to get a balanced budget where the US could start paying down the US national debt.

Then Bush Jr. and 9/11 basically gave Congress a cheque with everything but the signature line to be filled in by the one cashing it. And here we are ...
 
You have a hateboner for Bill. I do not. He actally mananged to get a balanced budget where the US could start paying down the US national debt.

Then Bush Jr. and 9/11 basically gave Congress a cheque with everything but the signature line to be filled in by the one cashing it. And here we are ...
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That is the dumbest thing anyone has ever said about Clinton. He is the reason we are having to rebuild what was lost.
 

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