Election 2020 We can expect fair and balanced reporting of the Democrat VP candidate...

gral

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Wow, just wow. So why do they want her for Vice President ?


My guess is because she's the closest thing to a 'law and order' candidate they had - they know that 'defund the police' isn't popular, and they had to win back those voters they lost after all the rioting. Problem is, Kamala Harris is someone people associate with the abuses committed in name of 'law and order'...
 

CarlManvers2019

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My guess is because she's the closest thing to a 'law and order' candidate they had - they know that 'defund the police' isn't popular, and they had to win back those voters they lost after all the rioting. Problem is, Kamala Harris is someone people associate with the abuses committed in name of 'law and order'...

How many people will remember that? Given the rather extreme level of gaslighting and even self-gaslighting those of the Far Left have when it comes to stuff that hasn't even been erased from history itself

At some point you will realise most of them have no principles and are pretty much a bunch of sociopaths if they actually do support her regardless
 
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Lanmandragon

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How many people will remember that? Given the rather extreme level of gaslighting and even self-gaslighting those of the Far Left have when it comes to stuff that hasn't even been erased from history itself

At some point you will realise most of them have no principles and are pretty much a bunch of sociopaths if they actually do support her regardless
The far left is pissed I really doubt people forget. What's going to happen is an internal revolt. With BLM putting her on blast it's already begun.
 

Rocinante

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The far left is pissed I really doubt people forget. What's going to happen is an internal revolt. With BLM putting her on blast it's already begun.
It comes down to if the propaganda machine can put out enough shit, and silence enough shit to cancel out the internet. They've done a good job shutting out the right. Now they'll have to move on their fellow lefties.
 

Christi

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How many people will remember that? Given the rather extreme level of gaslighting and even self-gaslighting those of the Far Left have when it comes to stuff that hasn't even been erased from history itself

At some point you will realise most of them have no principles and are pretty much a bunch of sociopaths if they actually do support her regardless
A lot of people will. Tulsi set her on fire on stage. She called her out on bragging about smoking weed while arresting kids for it.
Keeping guys in prison when she her office had evidence they were innocent.

If I was in the RNC I would be running this cut with her giggling about smoking weed and pictures of people being arrested for having weed in swing states.
I would have voice overs from the people she knew was innocent but kept in prison for cheap labor.
I would be running interview clips of the mom she had arrested because her daughter missed school because she was in the hospital. Because Harris supported and pushed for that law.
She can’t refute that.
No amount of gas lighting will help. Just like with the riots when a majority of the country wanted Trump to call out the military while the media bitched about it.
Gas lighting only works so far. Especially when the evidence is staring you in the face and the media has shot its creditability trying to pretend burning buildings and looting stores is peaceful protesting.
 
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Cherico

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It comes down to if the propaganda machine can put out enough shit, and silence enough shit to cancel out the internet. They've done a good job shutting out the right. Now they'll have to move on their fellow lefties.

I spent how many years telling space battles that they would be silenced too?

That censorship would back fire on them? Yeah I'm going to be giving out a whole lot of I told you so's. both on line and in real life.
 

Typhonis

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I spent how many years telling space battles that they would be silenced too?

That censorship would back fire on them? Yeah I'm going to be giving out a whole lot of I told you so's. both on line and in real life.
I don't think the people of that other board care. Sure they are scared of 'Tyrannical regimes that do not like criticism' but the US has not hit that point yet. If it was there wouldn't be any members of ANTIFA on S B.
 

JagerIV

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I spent how many years telling space battles that they would be silenced too?

That censorship would back fire on them? Yeah I'm going to be giving out a whole lot of I told you so's. both on line and in real life.
I mean, I dont go look at it all that much, but have they really moved en mass away from the democratic party line, or are the respectible still defending the choice and silencing the opposition?

Apping out over Harris seems more sufficient velocity than spacebattles.
 

The Original Sixth

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Because a new political group calling itself “We Have Her Back” will make it so....whether you like it or not.


Dissent will not be tolerated, citizens.

More like counter-information will not be tolerated.

And that's really all the Left has going for it. Every candidate has possible strengths and weaknesses. I try to visualize it as a chess board. Pieces can come and go, be taken or freed. Each resource and piece must be spent meaningfully if you want to try and gain an advantage over your opponent.

The DNC had the following pieces:
  • Race "Equality"
    • Overstretched. The pity for BLM has all but evaporated.
  • Gender "Equality"
    • Not spent yet, but has yet to prove relevant. It didn't prove effective in 2016 though.
  • Socialism/Communism
    • Overstretched. Where sympathetic Commies are ordering the police to stand down and letting the people fend for themselves after decades of telling them they don't need guns because the police will save them.
  • Impeachment
    • Spent. The last push was the actual articles of Impeachment. As others have commented in the past, the DNC never intended to go through with the trial, merely hold it over Trump's head to imply that he was a traitor and may be removed, even if victorious. COVID eliminated some of the backlash, but also eliminated all memory of it in the public's mind.
  • Treason/Russian Agent
    • Spent. The idea that Trump was a Russian agent had never fully taken hold, but after 4 years of not finding anything, the average voter has pretty much tuned it out. I expect that any sort of push to make Trump sound like a tyrant or a Russian agent will be met with indiference.
  • Biden's Record
    • Gone. Was torn to tatters during the Democrat Primaries.
  • Biden's Charisma
    • Life Support. Old age and Dementia has taken its toll on Biden and the public has become aware that his health is in question and I suspect more and more are realizing he's not all there. If Biden is forced into a debate, the public will see him for what he is. If Biden does not debate or sends Kamala in his place, the public will realize he's not all there. Using the high ground of COVID will only prompt Trump to invite West to debate, effectively bringing into question who the third wheel of the election actually is.
  • Gun Danger
    • Gone. All new gun purchases are believed to have been from liberals. This may work within some liberal circles, but guns are effectively off the table now.
  • COVID-19
    • Mostly spent. The DNC tried to use the failures in the COVID response to try and paint Trump as either uncaring or incompetent. Trump however, managed to undermine that narrative with the stimulus bill he passed, as well as his insistence on Governors being responsible for their own state. And to be honest, the DNC did not have a coherent stance on COVID and were more useless than the RNC in this situation.
  • Media
    • Half Spent. The Media's greatest strength was their ability to gently nudge or shape the narrative in their favor. When that spell was broken on the public in 2016, the Media responded by trying to outright control the narrative. Since then they have been wrong about so many high profile subjects that the media has lost a considerable amount of credibility. Worse, competing narratives have arisen from social media, which they do not have full control over. The attempt by their tech allies to control it has been met with resistance and mistrust. And possible legal action too. The Media is still only half spent I expect, having an abundance of resources. The problem I see is that they probably lack any real means of moving the needle at this point. They can no longer shape the narrative and outright control is slipping through their fingers.
  • The Kamala Move
    • The Paper Tiger
      • The choice for VP was interesting. There is a sort of fear/hope within the Trump side that Kamala will the new challenger, as Biden has failed. I considered this possible for a short time and it still might be possible of Biden; I think the window for a switch could last till the end of August. After August, if Biden is still the challenger, then he will be the primary name on the ticket.
      • Regardless of what happens, Biden will not make it through his first term. He will be discarded. At this point, I am uncertain he will even make it to his inauguration. Normally in this situation, you'd toss a bone and let him be President for a few months, but Biden could get so much worse that he is unable to attend.
      • The Kamala Move is probably an internal move; to try and get the SJWs on board with the Neo-Liberals, rather than riot with the Commies. That will draw in the hardcore SJWs I think, since they care more about moving the needle on racial and social relations than they do about Communism or Socialism. They may not like Kamala, but she would be the only acceptable candidate of the three.
      • The Kamala Move however, is born of a disconnect with reality. Someone, somewhere thought that Kamala's racial mix and gender would give her the advantage in consolidating power within the party. The problem is that Kamala has a really bad record; she got knocked out early in the primaries after Tulsi Gabbard blasted her on stage. Trump isn't going to hesitate to do it himself. Nor is Kamala a good debator nor does her family history lend her to someone who can ride the "fight the south" mantra. Tough on crime, human right abuses, and literally wanted an innocent man to die for the sake of her reputation. She will sink.
  • The DNC Base
    • Has more or less split three ways.
    • The Commies are pissed that they didn't get Bernie Sanders.
    • The SJWs are pissed that Biden is the lead on the ticket, but may be placated by the thought that Kamala Harris will be appointed President. They'd have preferred her proper election, but they can delude themselves into thinking that white people are racist and need to be tricked for the "proper" outcome.
    • The Neo-Liberals "won" the primaries by encouraging the less crazy ones to bow out, allowing Biden to consolidate enough of a lead to bury Sanders. The problem is that it alienated the two of the three major blocs within the DNC. The concern I expect, was always that they would have to choose. The Commies wanted Sanders and did not take as well to Warren as they might have hoped. The SJWs for the most part don't care about Kamala's record. The delay for VP pick I think was impart driven by who to choose: Warren or Harris. In the end it was Harris, which makes the SJWs happy, but utterly alienates the Commies.
      • That can still work though (in theory) because the commies are in generally heavy blue regions or states, so they don't need to cater to them. The Neo-Liberals are much more comfortable with the SJWs and much more capable of establishing a deal. The Commies are going to be shoved out the door after the election.

The media is the only thing the DNC really has going for it. I don't expect they'll be a force to be reckoned with after the election. Because if they fail in 2020, they'll suffer the same crises that the DNC proper did in 2016; a loss of confidence, followed by a purity spiral, and ultimate failure in 2024. If the Media loses now, their goose is cooked. The Commies won't believe them, the Neo-Libs won't pay their bills, and the SJWs will devour them.

Trump is riding high though:
  • The Economy
    • Mostly spent. A shadow of its former self, the Economy was Trump's greatest argument for his re-election. His Queen. That said, the massive growth under him is still in the memory of the public. Moreover, the current strong return of jobs is also something people approve of. In a sense, by the DNC insisting that people had to wear masks and social distance, impart because they believe and impart because it's a political tool--the DNC in effect blunted the damage Trump took with an economic downturn. They tried to sharpen that impact by blaming him for COVID 19, but that never took.
  • Social Media
    • Trump's former Queen, half power. It was Trump's primary tool in the 2016 election and I daresay tipped the balance for him. It's also why the media has been working overtime with the DNC and tech giants to censor Trump and his crew online. They figure if they can undermine his ability to undermine their narrative, they can win. There have been several strategies that Trump has put forward to blunt this attack however:
      • Switch his Press Secretary to an attractive, commanding woman who would not take their shit and in fact, goes on the offensive against the media. Since the media has to cover the press conferences, they have to interact with her and get attacked for it. During the riots, they took irreparable harm by trying to engage her.
      • Trump as always, likes to provoke people and it works. With the media, Trump has baited them into being addicted to their own hate. Trump trained the media to enjoy hating on him. And people do what they enjoy, even if it's bad for them. See fatties. The media can't help but try to counter-narrative Trump on almost any subject, to the point that they'll do so even if it makes them look like fools.
      • The Red Line. When Twitter started to move on Trump, Trump immediately took executive action to strip away their legal protections as a platform and not a publisher. Twitter might slap on a few more labels about Trump passing out false COVID info or try to censor a few more platforms, but they won't go after his account. At least not until they are truly desperate.
  • The Wall
    • Moderate Piece, but in play. A major piece for him winning the south in 2016, the accomplishment of building a wall was in doubt for a long time. Yet it is being built and having such a (literal) massive campaign promise being fulfilled has been a boon to his campaign.
  • Trade Wars
    • Moderate Piece, but in play. Trump's trade wars have been good for the nation. Specifically, the Mid-West and the Far West of the country. Trump already had the Far West, but the Mid-West contains blue states and swing states. The Trade Wars have secured manufacturing back in the country when people are desperately looking for better paying jobs. While his economic piece was diminished by COVID-19, the actions that Trump took against other nations economically will be well remembered in the Mid-West.
  • Anti-War
    • Minor Piece, but in play. One of Trump's greatest moves was pulling out of the Middle East. Obama promised the end to the endless wars and occupations. He delivered mediocre results. Trump is actually delivering. All across the world, the American footprint has grown lighter. This is seen across the country as a universal good. Even among the commies and SJWs. Even if they won't admit it.
  • Health Care
    • Mostly spent. Trump lost the health care debate with his own party in early 2017 and it was a major blow to him, along with the Russia Gate hoax weighing down his campaign. It cost him sympathy and support in the Mid-West, which was starting to fear that they had made a mistake in supporting him. Even if he wasn't a racist, he might have been a Russian Agent/Sympathizer and clearly didn't care about getting Healthcare passed.
    • That has somewhat been blunted by COVID-19. Trump passing that stimulus bill with the Republicans gave them a new lease on life on that front. The DNC has utterly bombed; trying to pass absurd stimulus bills while radicals demand UBI.
  • Military
    • Minor Piece, in play. Trump has worked hard to built up the military as much as humanly possible. Which is not to say by much in 4 years, but he has made major moves. The F-15-EX passed and the US Air Force is quickly going to be replacing is dying old fighters with new Gen 4 models. People in the military industry (some of them) and the military itself are pissed (some at least), but the F-15-EX is overall, going to be good for the country. Trump also managed to order more ships (I think) and is looking to (I think) Italy to build them several new frigates. All of which will enlarge the US Navy.
    • Trump also passed huge reforms for veterans, cementing his support.
  • Charisma
    • Still in play. For better or for worse, Trump is more or less the same Trump that we saw in 2016, but with experience in government.

Overall, the DNC is holding on by a thread and they know it. I looked at RCP's polls for WI, PA, MI, & FL. I discount anything at around 9 points or higher. Because if you think a poll with one candidate at 9 points higher than the other in a battleground state is accurate, you're a fucking moron.

The Breakdown:
  • WI -- Biden +4.6
  • PA -- Biden +5
  • MI -- Biden +4.5
  • FL -- Biden +4.3
Looking at 2016 though, I also saw the results vs the estimated lead. Here is what each state was off by in terms of polls and points:

  • WI -- 7.2 points
  • PA -- 2.6 points
  • MI -- 3.7 point
  • FL -- Off by 1.4 points.
More interestingly, look at the drop in Nov vs Aug on the actual polling itself.

  • WI -- 0.8 points
  • PA -- 7.6 points
  • MI -- 6.9 points
  • FL -- 4.2 points
Wisconsin was not seen as a state that would break away. So there was no major drop in the polls for Clinton. She was expected to win WI and there was very little polling done there. A .8 point drop in polls as we get closer to election day is not unusual. What is interesting is that the three states that were up for grab, had MAJOR shifts. Florida is less severe, but Pennsylvania and Michigan were both dropped by 7 points.

On average, for those 3 battleground states, there was a 6.23 point drop for Clinton.

What does this tell us? That CANNOT be the natural mood change of the country. Clinton had taken some hammering in the last two weeks of the election, but there is no way it shifted 6 points in two states. Or 4 points in Florida. 0.8 points in Wisconsin? Sure. Possible. But we know they were waaay off in Wisconsin. It was a surprise Battleground State.

The current, non-bullshit-polls-adjustment RCP average for all these states right now is:
  • WI -- +6.5 Biden
  • PA -- +6.4 Biden
  • MI -- +6.7 Biden
  • FL -- +5.0 Biden
If we adjust for the Autumn drop, here is what we are probably going to find:
(State -- Current Adjust // Projected Election Result)
  • WI -- +0.4 Biden // +0.3 Trump
  • PA -- -1.2 Biden // +1.9 Trump
  • MI -- -0.2 Biden // +0.5 Trump
  • FL -- +0.8 Biden // +0.4 Trump
In other words, if Trump hasn't LOST support, then he will in fact, has a slight edge in everywhere except Pennsylvania, which he has a larger edge. Biden isn't winning. In fact, he's probably losing. I averaged out Wisconsin's point drop to match PA and MI's average. Overall, it looks as though the DNC likes to encourage people to add somewhere between 6-7 points in the polls to favor their candidate. Florida they were more realistic on, so it looks as though they only adjusted it by 4 points.

This more accurately explains the cautious nature of the Biden campaign. And this gets only worse if they're polling all voters, not likely voters.
 

Cherico

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More like counter-information will not be tolerated.

And that's really all the Left has going for it. Every candidate has possible strengths and weaknesses. I try to visualize it as a chess board. Pieces can come and go, be taken or freed. Each resource and piece must be spent meaningfully if you want to try and gain an advantage over your opponent.

The DNC had the following pieces:
  • Race "Equality"
    • Overstretched. The pity for BLM has all but evaporated.
  • Gender "Equality"
    • Not spent yet, but has yet to prove relevant. It didn't prove effective in 2016 though.
  • Socialism/Communism
    • Overstretched. Where sympathetic Commies are ordering the police to stand down and letting the people fend for themselves after decades of telling them they don't need guns because the police will save them.
  • Impeachment
    • Spent. The last push was the actual articles of Impeachment. As others have commented in the past, the DNC never intended to go through with the trial, merely hold it over Trump's head to imply that he was a traitor and may be removed, even if victorious. COVID eliminated some of the backlash, but also eliminated all memory of it in the public's mind.
  • Treason/Russian Agent
    • Spent. The idea that Trump was a Russian agent had never fully taken hold, but after 4 years of not finding anything, the average voter has pretty much tuned it out. I expect that any sort of push to make Trump sound like a tyrant or a Russian agent will be met with indiference.
  • Biden's Record
    • Gone. Was torn to tatters during the Democrat Primaries.
  • Biden's Charisma
    • Life Support. Old age and Dementia has taken its toll on Biden and the public has become aware that his health is in question and I suspect more and more are realizing he's not all there. If Biden is forced into a debate, the public will see him for what he is. If Biden does not debate or sends Kamala in his place, the public will realize he's not all there. Using the high ground of COVID will only prompt Trump to invite West to debate, effectively bringing into question who the third wheel of the election actually is.
  • Gun Danger
    • Gone. All new gun purchases are believed to have been from liberals. This may work within some liberal circles, but guns are effectively off the table now.
  • COVID-19
    • Mostly spent. The DNC tried to use the failures in the COVID response to try and paint Trump as either uncaring or incompetent. Trump however, managed to undermine that narrative with the stimulus bill he passed, as well as his insistence on Governors being responsible for their own state. And to be honest, the DNC did not have a coherent stance on COVID and were more useless than the RNC in this situation.
  • Media
    • Half Spent. The Media's greatest strength was their ability to gently nudge or shape the narrative in their favor. When that spell was broken on the public in 2016, the Media responded by trying to outright control the narrative. Since then they have been wrong about so many high profile subjects that the media has lost a considerable amount of credibility. Worse, competing narratives have arisen from social media, which they do not have full control over. The attempt by their tech allies to control it has been met with resistance and mistrust. And possible legal action too. The Media is still only half spent I expect, having an abundance of resources. The problem I see is that they probably lack any real means of moving the needle at this point. They can no longer shape the narrative and outright control is slipping through their fingers.
  • The Kamala Move
    • The Paper Tiger
      • The choice for VP was interesting. There is a sort of fear/hope within the Trump side that Kamala will the new challenger, as Biden has failed. I considered this possible for a short time and it still might be possible of Biden; I think the window for a switch could last till the end of August. After August, if Biden is still the challenger, then he will be the primary name on the ticket.
      • Regardless of what happens, Biden will not make it through his first term. He will be discarded. At this point, I am uncertain he will even make it to his inauguration. Normally in this situation, you'd toss a bone and let him be President for a few months, but Biden could get so much worse that he is unable to attend.
      • The Kamala Move is probably an internal move; to try and get the SJWs on board with the Neo-Liberals, rather than riot with the Commies. That will draw in the hardcore SJWs I think, since they care more about moving the needle on racial and social relations than they do about Communism or Socialism. They may not like Kamala, but she would be the only acceptable candidate of the three.
      • The Kamala Move however, is born of a disconnect with reality. Someone, somewhere thought that Kamala's racial mix and gender would give her the advantage in consolidating power within the party. The problem is that Kamala has a really bad record; she got knocked out early in the primaries after Tulsi Gabbard blasted her on stage. Trump isn't going to hesitate to do it himself. Nor is Kamala a good debator nor does her family history lend her to someone who can ride the "fight the south" mantra. Tough on crime, human right abuses, and literally wanted an innocent man to die for the sake of her reputation. She will sink.
  • The DNC Base
    • Has more or less split three ways.
    • The Commies are pissed that they didn't get Bernie Sanders.
    • The SJWs are pissed that Biden is the lead on the ticket, but may be placated by the thought that Kamala Harris will be appointed President. They'd have preferred her proper election, but they can delude themselves into thinking that white people are racist and need to be tricked for the "proper" outcome.
    • The Neo-Liberals "won" the primaries by encouraging the less crazy ones to bow out, allowing Biden to consolidate enough of a lead to bury Sanders. The problem is that it alienated the two of the three major blocs within the DNC. The concern I expect, was always that they would have to choose. The Commies wanted Sanders and did not take as well to Warren as they might have hoped. The SJWs for the most part don't care about Kamala's record. The delay for VP pick I think was impart driven by who to choose: Warren or Harris. In the end it was Harris, which makes the SJWs happy, but utterly alienates the Commies.
      • That can still work though (in theory) because the commies are in generally heavy blue regions or states, so they don't need to cater to them. The Neo-Liberals are much more comfortable with the SJWs and much more capable of establishing a deal. The Commies are going to be shoved out the door after the election.

The media is the only thing the DNC really has going for it. I don't expect they'll be a force to be reckoned with after the election. Because if they fail in 2020, they'll suffer the same crises that the DNC proper did in 2016; a loss of confidence, followed by a purity spiral, and ultimate failure in 2024. If the Media loses now, their goose is cooked. The Commies won't believe them, the Neo-Libs won't pay their bills, and the SJWs will devour them.

Trump is riding high though:
  • The Economy
    • Mostly spent. A shadow of its former self, the Economy was Trump's greatest argument for his re-election. His Queen. That said, the massive growth under him is still in the memory of the public. Moreover, the current strong return of jobs is also something people approve of. In a sense, by the DNC insisting that people had to wear masks and social distance, impart because they believe and impart because it's a political tool--the DNC in effect blunted the damage Trump took with an economic downturn. They tried to sharpen that impact by blaming him for COVID 19, but that never took.
  • Social Media
    • Trump's former Queen, half power. It was Trump's primary tool in the 2016 election and I daresay tipped the balance for him. It's also why the media has been working overtime with the DNC and tech giants to censor Trump and his crew online. They figure if they can undermine his ability to undermine their narrative, they can win. There have been several strategies that Trump has put forward to blunt this attack however:
      • Switch his Press Secretary to an attractive, commanding woman who would not take their shit and in fact, goes on the offensive against the media. Since the media has to cover the press conferences, they have to interact with her and get attacked for it. During the riots, they took irreparable harm by trying to engage her.
      • Trump as always, likes to provoke people and it works. With the media, Trump has baited them into being addicted to their own hate. Trump trained the media to enjoy hating on him. And people do what they enjoy, even if it's bad for them. See fatties. The media can't help but try to counter-narrative Trump on almost any subject, to the point that they'll do so even if it makes them look like fools.
      • The Red Line. When Twitter started to move on Trump, Trump immediately took executive action to strip away their legal protections as a platform and not a publisher. Twitter might slap on a few more labels about Trump passing out false COVID info or try to censor a few more platforms, but they won't go after his account. At least not until they are truly desperate.
  • The Wall
    • Moderate Piece, but in play. A major piece for him winning the south in 2016, the accomplishment of building a wall was in doubt for a long time. Yet it is being built and having such a (literal) massive campaign promise being fulfilled has been a boon to his campaign.
  • Trade Wars
    • Moderate Piece, but in play. Trump's trade wars have been good for the nation. Specifically, the Mid-West and the Far West of the country. Trump already had the Far West, but the Mid-West contains blue states and swing states. The Trade Wars have secured manufacturing back in the country when people are desperately looking for better paying jobs. While his economic piece was diminished by COVID-19, the actions that Trump took against other nations economically will be well remembered in the Mid-West.
  • Anti-War
    • Minor Piece, but in play. One of Trump's greatest moves was pulling out of the Middle East. Obama promised the end to the endless wars and occupations. He delivered mediocre results. Trump is actually delivering. All across the world, the American footprint has grown lighter. This is seen across the country as a universal good. Even among the commies and SJWs. Even if they won't admit it.
  • Health Care
    • Mostly spent. Trump lost the health care debate with his own party in early 2017 and it was a major blow to him, along with the Russia Gate hoax weighing down his campaign. It cost him sympathy and support in the Mid-West, which was starting to fear that they had made a mistake in supporting him. Even if he wasn't a racist, he might have been a Russian Agent/Sympathizer and clearly didn't care about getting Healthcare passed.
    • That has somewhat been blunted by COVID-19. Trump passing that stimulus bill with the Republicans gave them a new lease on life on that front. The DNC has utterly bombed; trying to pass absurd stimulus bills while radicals demand UBI.
  • Military
    • Minor Piece, in play. Trump has worked hard to built up the military as much as humanly possible. Which is not to say by much in 4 years, but he has made major moves. The F-15-EX passed and the US Air Force is quickly going to be replacing is dying old fighters with new Gen 4 models. People in the military industry (some of them) and the military itself are pissed (some at least), but the F-15-EX is overall, going to be good for the country. Trump also managed to order more ships (I think) and is looking to (I think) Italy to build them several new frigates. All of which will enlarge the US Navy.
    • Trump also passed huge reforms for veterans, cementing his support.
  • Charisma
    • Still in play. For better or for worse, Trump is more or less the same Trump that we saw in 2016, but with experience in government.

Overall, the DNC is holding on by a thread and they know it. I looked at RCP's polls for WI, PA, MI, & FL. I discount anything at around 9 points or higher. Because if you think a poll with one candidate at 9 points higher than the other in a battleground state is accurate, you're a fucking moron.

The Breakdown:
  • WI -- Biden +4.6
  • PA -- Biden +5
  • MI -- Biden +4.5
  • FL -- Biden +4.3
Looking at 2016 though, I also saw the results vs the estimated lead. Here is what each state was off by in terms of polls and points:

  • WI -- 7.2 points
  • PA -- 2.6 points
  • MI -- 3.7 point
  • FL -- Off by 1.4 points.
More interestingly, look at the drop in Nov vs Aug on the actual polling itself.

  • WI -- 0.8 points
  • PA -- 7.6 points
  • MI -- 6.9 points
  • FL -- 4.2 points
Wisconsin was not seen as a state that would break away. So there was no major drop in the polls for Clinton. She was expected to win WI and there was very little polling done there. A .8 point drop in polls as we get closer to election day is not unusual. What is interesting is that the three states that were up for grab, had MAJOR shifts. Florida is less severe, but Pennsylvania and Michigan were both dropped by 7 points.

On average, for those 3 battleground states, there was a 6.23 point drop for Clinton.

What does this tell us? That CANNOT be the natural mood change of the country. Clinton had taken some hammering in the last two weeks of the election, but there is no way it shifted 6 points in two states. Or 4 points in Florida. 0.8 points in Wisconsin? Sure. Possible. But we know they were waaay off in Wisconsin. It was a surprise Battleground State.

The current, non-bullshit-polls-adjustment RCP average for all these states right now is:
  • WI -- +6.5 Biden
  • PA -- +6.4 Biden
  • MI -- +6.7 Biden
  • FL -- +5.0 Biden
If we adjust for the Autumn drop, here is what we are probably going to find:
(State -- Current Adjust // Projected Election Result)
  • WI -- +0.4 Biden // +0.3 Trump
  • PA -- -1.2 Biden // +1.9 Trump
  • MI -- -0.2 Biden // +0.5 Trump
  • FL -- +0.8 Biden // +0.4 Trump
In other words, if Trump hasn't LOST support, then he will in fact, has a slight edge in everywhere except Pennsylvania, which he has a larger edge. Biden isn't winning. In fact, he's probably losing. I averaged out Wisconsin's point drop to match PA and MI's average. Overall, it looks as though the DNC likes to encourage people to add somewhere between 6-7 points in the polls to favor their candidate. Florida they were more realistic on, so it looks as though they only adjusted it by 4 points.

This more accurately explains the cautious nature of the Biden campaign. And this gets only worse if they're polling all voters, not likely voters.

so who will take over the democratic party if they lose this year?
 

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so who will take over the democratic party if they lose this year?

No idea.

The Neo-liberals have the money. And above everything, money talks. They're also most familiar with the power structure and control it from the top. That's probably why despite the regional flip from south to north, they're still the most corrupt pieces of shits in politics. They also have all the domestic and global contacts.

The power of the neo-liberals is very deep and very strong. The problem is that obtaining that power, maintaining it, and wielding it offends the other two blocs. That said, you can do what the DNC has done before and will probably dump a shitload of money on the laps of the SJW bloc and wait until a handful cave to their greed, bolster them, and then try and pretend they're appealing to the common oppressed people.

On the other hand, both of the other two blocs are DEEP into the neo-liberal power structures. The Commies are completely disillusioned now I think. That said, while they are more socially aligned with the SJWs, they are economically misaligned with the neo-liberals. And the neo-liberals are more aligned with the rest of the country. So even if they booted the neo-liberals out, they wouldn't be able to expand to obtain the swing vote or former lost liberal states. Sheer cultural momentum is probably going to run the commies over sooner or later.

The SJWs can make the deal with the Neo-Liberals; the neo-liberals worry about the money and the SJWs control the social agenda. That's a deal that can cause internal problems, but it's a manageable one. What's more, America is culturally diverse and ethnically diverse enough that SJWs can be relevant to politics, even if they have to "evolve" their positions or messaging. The Commies have pretty much burnt through theirs.

Still, SJWs have their own baggage and the neo-libs are going to have purge a fair amount of the radicals to get it back within tolerable levels of the rest of the country. And that doesn't take into account the sheer damage the wave of nationalism and de-globalization will do to the neo-liberal tech giants and liberal media creators.
 
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I suspect the Dem factions will have a lot of infighting to do.

Overall I expect they’ll double down.

Probably blame “racist white people”-the anti white animus and politics is pretty much established for the SJWs and all but the most doctrinaire orthodox communists.The establishment Dems still have the financial class and machine behind them. And will likely concur at least in public with the SJW/bongo wing.

Internal party wise-I suspect the Dems will likely look for ways in which to fool suburbia and keep the minority coalition onside. The hard left will rage and blame the DNC for electing an old establishment guy(for the commies a pretty standard politician who backed wars and corporate power) for the SJWs-an old uninspiring white dude.

Their won’t be any splits of significance. The Dems are disciplined enough and will not fracture their party going into the later 2020s.
 

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So I just got here what's this about Biden picking the possibly the only person more unlikeable than Hillary that neither the left, right, or center support
 

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