Star Wars What If Jabba killed Luke in ROTJ?

[KilroywasNOTHere]

resurrecting an old SB thread

Premise: Rather than having Luke Face a rancor in the pit , Jabba Orders Boba Fett to kill the Jedi, the two Duke it out for a bit and while Luke does put up a valiant effort, but without his lightsaber, the mandalorian bounty hunter gets the upper hand and kills him. (Much to the shock of leia who is currently enslaved by the hutt crime lord) and the other surviving heroes who are in their own compromising situations at the moment

1. what would have happened to the remaining heroes (Leia, Han, Lando, chewie, ect,)

2. How would the rebels of reacted to the turn of events? Could they have afforded to do anything about it?

3. How would the Empire have reacted to the turn of events? Would they even care?

I'm partial looking for what would happen from a pragmatic point of view not just plot armor stuff.

I'll be a little bit more relaxed on my rules of responses on the sietch compared to SB due to the sietch having an NSFW board. if any mods believe this thread gets too spicy, feel free to move it to said board

 

[Sailor.X]

resurrecting an old SB thread

Premise: Rather than having Luke Face a rancor in the pit , Jabba Orders Boba Fett to kill the Jedi, the two Duke it out for a bit and while Luke does put up a valiant effort, but without his lightsaber, the mandalorian bounty hunter gets the upper hand and kills him. (Much to the shock of leia who is currently enslaved by the hutt crime lord) and the other surviving heroes who are in their own compromising situations at the moment

1. what would have happened to the remaining heroes (Leia, Han, Lando, chewie, ect,)

2. How would the rebels of reacted to the turn of events? Could they have afforded to do anything about it?

3. How would the Empire have reacted to the turn of events? Would they even care?

I'm partial looking for what would happen from a pragmatic point of view not just plot armor stuff.

I'll be a little bit more relaxed on my rules of responses on the sietch compared to SB due to the sietch having an NSFW board. if any mods believe this thread gets too spicy, feel free to move it to said board

Jabba is good as dead when Darth Vader finds out. Emperors orders or not both Boba and Jabba will feel Exterminatus via Force Choke.

 

[Airedale260]

resurrecting an old SB thread

Premise: Rather than having Luke Face a rancor in the pit , Jabba Orders Boba Fett to kill the Jedi, the two Duke it out for a bit and while Luke does put up a valiant effort, but without his lightsaber, the mandalorian bounty hunter gets the upper hand and kills him. (Much to the shock of leia who is currently enslaved by the hutt crime lord) and the other surviving heroes who are in their own compromising situations at the moment

1. what would have happened to the remaining heroes (Leia, Han, Lando, chewie, ect,)

Lando could in theory try to stage a breakout of Han and Chewie, but realistically, without significant backup, the latter two probably either are left in the dungeons until Jabba either comes up with a better idea of what to do with them or else kills them out of hand (or to spite/punish Leia for some transgression or other).

Leia herself is stuck regardless of whether there’s a breakout or not. She probably either stays there until 1) Jabba gets bored and tosses her to the rancor, 2) she dies for some reason or other, or 3) a miracle happens and she’s rescued (more on this in a bit). Even so, her being stuck there is going to be…unpleasant. She’s going to be suffering from a lot of trauma (psychological at a minimum, probably physical and possibly sexual -not necessarily from Jabba himself but I think Legends canon mentions how he used to offer his slave girls to courtiers as rewards. In fact I’m reasonably certain Leia herself actually got offered to Boba Fett and was ready to fight him to defend herself, but Fett wasn’t interested).

2. How would the rebels of reacted to the turn of events? Could they have afforded to do anything about it?

They might not even know anything has happened…remember, the Tatooine stuff happens only shortly before the Alliance assembles for a strike against the Death Star II at Endor. It’s possible that the strike team doesn’t get detected by Vader on the way in (given that Luke isn’t present), but the odds are stacked against the Rebels. Leia, Luke, and 3PO basically saved the day by discovering the Ewoks, and without them to even the odds against the legion (roughly 3,000-5,000 troops) the Emperor’s put there to protect the generator? The Alliance probably either gets wiped out or else weakened so severely that they’re effectively done for another 20 years or so at least.

Now, if the rest of the leadership is wiped out, or at least most of the political leadership, they might try and stage a rescue of Leia if they know she’s still alive. The downside to that is that it would take a sizable force to pull that off, along with significant prep and lead time, and Jabba might kill her out of spite during such an attempt.

Assuming they did get her out? Leia is incredibly tough mentally, but even so, that kind of strain could break even her, or at least leave her in a situation where she‘s gone from one disaster to another…sure, she’s free, but the new Death Star is operational, the Alliance is severely weakened if not basically broken politically and militarily, and the Emperor is on a winning streak. She probably has to work to build something else and hope it can last 20 years or so (again). And that’s all a pretty big “if”.

3. How would the Empire have reacted to the turn of events? Would they even care?

Vader might well be looking to kill Jabba but on the other hand, given that Palpatine basically knew Vader was planning to use Luke against him (Sith being Sith), he might have intervened in one way or another, and Vader might just grumble at failing to overthrow the Emperor again (remember, his original ‘plan’ was to overthrow Palpatine and take the throne for himself and Padme).

So…could go any number of ways. All bad.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Not much changes.

The escape from Jabba's Palace will be more bloody. Not all of the heroes will escape alive. Good chance that Lando might die once he blows his cover trying to save his friends from being tossed into the pit.

Vader will sense the demise of his son. Either Vader reaches out to his last remaining offspring searching for an emotional connection/his legacy, or the Emperor will reach out to Leia trying to find a successor. Leia will likely take Luke's place on the second Death Star. Because she isn't a trained warrior, the confrontation will likely take a different form. The Emperor won't try tempting Leia into fighting. Decent chance Vader might turn against the Emperor and kill him anyway. Wedge and his squad will probably blow up the second Death Star just like in canon, with or without Lando.

Also, if you include prequel lore, then Anakin was prophesized to save the galaxy, so even in a worse case scenario where all of the heroes die at Jabba's palace or Leia dies in the Throne Room Confrontation, or the Rebel fleet is vanquished at Endor, all will be well within a few years anyway.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

I'm honestly amazed that we can even consider Boba would be able to defeat Luke in any way. Especially when there's a fight, and not a trap of execution.

Aside from that....

In agreement with @Sailor.X about Boba and Jaba and anyone that supports them. Dead, dead, ded.

Likely Leia would save the day regarding Palps/Emperor...thought couple of options here.
1. Leia is still on the ground and helps drop the shield around the Death Star. Vader and Palps both die as the 2nd Death Star Explodes. Carry on.
2. Leia is on the 2nd DS and thus the shields aren't dropped in time to prevent the destruction of the Rebel Fleet. However, Darth still kills Emperor to save his daughter once she let's drop, "My brother is dead because of you!" or some other way Vader finds out she's his.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

Outside the obvious escape this puts the galaxy in a precarious situation. Leila doesnt have training in the force but it could activate due to the trauma which enables her to escape at some point.

Yoda is dead as is Obiwan so the only trainer left that comes to mind is Ashoka which would make sense if Leia manifested her powers with dark thoughts when her escape was enabled.

 

[ATP]

resurrecting an old SB thread

Premise: Rather than having Luke Face a rancor in the pit , Jabba Orders Boba Fett to kill the Jedi, the two Duke it out for a bit and while Luke does put up a valiant effort, but without his lightsaber, the mandalorian bounty hunter gets the upper hand and kills him. (Much to the shock of leia who is currently enslaved by the hutt crime lord) and the other surviving heroes who are in their own compromising situations at the moment

1. what would have happened to the remaining heroes (Leia, Han, Lando, chewie, ect,)

2. How would the rebels of reacted to the turn of events? Could they have afforded to do anything about it?

3. How would the Empire have reacted to the turn of events? Would they even care?

I'm partial looking for what would happen from a pragmatic point of view not just plot armor stuff.

I'll be a little bit more relaxed on my rules of responses on the sietch compared to SB due to the sietch having an NSFW board. if any mods believe this thread gets too spicy, feel free to move it to said board

Hentai version - Leia have cute little Jabba.Yuck.Exterminatus is need there.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

🤮

 

[GuyThatRunsAGame]

No Luke, no levitating 3PO, no levitating 3PO, no teddy bear guerrillas. Meaning the shield around the Death Star stays up and Death Squadron boxes in the Alliance fleet as the Emperor takes potshots at their capital ships one at a time using a superlaser.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

No Luke, no levitating 3PO, no levitating 3PO, no teddy bear guerrillas. Meaning the shield around the Death Star stays up and Death Squadron boxes in the Alliance fleet as the Emperor takes potshots at their capital ships one at a time using a superlaser.

Not necessarily true.

Absence of Luke may mean that Leia has to be the Diplomat here. Chances of success are prett good for Leia as she's been doing it for a while.

 

[Airedale260]

I'm honestly amazed that we can even consider Boba would be able to defeat Luke in any way. Especially when there's a fight, and not a trap of execution.

Aside from that....

In agreement with @Sailor.X about Boba and Jaba and anyone that supports them. Dead, dead, ded.

Likely Leia would save the day regarding Palps/Emperor...thought couple of options here.
1. Leia is still on the ground and helps drop the shield around the Death Star. Vader and Palps both die as the 2nd Death Star Explodes. Carry on.
2. Leia is on the 2nd DS and thus the shields aren't dropped in time to prevent the destruction of the Rebel Fleet. However, Darth still kills Emperor to save his daughter once she let's drop, "My brother is dead because of you!" or some other way Vader finds out she's his.

Uh, Leia doesn't actually *know* she's Force-sensitive. Nor does Vader, for that matter, despite his being in close proximity to her, especially when she was almost certainly using it to resist the mind probe in ANH *and he didn't know it or pick up on it.* Hell, *she herself* doesn't know it.

Nor does she know her family relationship to Luke or to Vader. So all the speculation about what she'd do is meaningless. Assuming Vader shows up to kill Jabba in retaliation for his killing Luke (which isn't a given, since it's part of a scheme to overthrow the Emperor and Palpatine could easily keep him busy with other stuff to prevent that), he likely just executes Leia outright or else hands her off to someone else to do the deed, since she's been slated for execution since ANH.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

all valid points @Airedale260

OR, the death of Luke sees Leia 'awaken' to her powers in a very dark manner as she offs Jabba then Fett while rescuing the rest of her friends. (in this case, the aforementioned events might still occur in some fashion)

Now THAT will certainly get Vader and Palps attention!

 

[Airedale260]

all valid points @Airedale260

OR, the death of Luke sees Leia 'awaken' to her powers in a very dark manner as she offs Jabba then Fett while rescuing the rest of her friends. (in this case, the aforementioned events might still occur in some fashion)

Now THAT will certainly get Vader and Palps attention!

Canonically, Leia drew on the dark side to get the strength to choke out Jabba…she wasn’t strong enough to do it on her own, she just didn’t know it. But at the same time, she’d 1) waited until all the guards were gone and 2) blasted a control system that took out the lights in the cabin before strangling Jabba.

But it should be noted that Luke can’t do shit without the lightsaber -he basically had to time his reaction perfectly. There are other guards on the skiff with them to keep him busy, and Jabba didn’t start ordering his personnel on the main barge to start doing anything until Luke had killed them…which he can’t really do in this scenario while unarmed. One guard, maybe, but what about the rest?

In this scenario, maybe you can assume that the other guards focus on the other prisoners (Lando, Han, and Chewie) and kill them, but at that point it’s much less likely Jabba panics and orders away his guards. Or he simply says “fuck it” and orders the main guns on the barge to just blast the skiff while Luke, Han, Chewie, and Lando are all in one spot (sure, it might take out another guard, but if they’re all together, the good guys are screwed). Luke is a powerful Jedi…but beyond a Force shove, he doesn’t have any offensive capabilities (Force Lightning is a dark side ability, remember). So if there is no lightsaber, all he can do is snatch a blaster…but then it’s one guy against who knows how many goons on the other side, and the numbers just aren’t in his favor.

Leia might be able to get away with choking Jabba…but then she’ll be either executed on the spot as well, or sent to one of Jabba’s clansmen to be executed. If Jabba is dead, Vader won’t be going to Tatooine, and killing Boba Fett for revenge wouldn’t go well, because it would send a signal that Palpatine doesn’t want…namely that bounty hunters aren’t protected for just doing their jobs…and potentially drive a lot of talented individuals into the arms of the Rebellion out of necessity. So he’d either rein Vader in or have him disposed of.

So, regardless of the circumstances, the Rebellion is screwed. And according to the novelization of the movie, every single Rebel in the galaxy was with the fleet at Sullust, and then at Endor. That means that if the Imperial Navy manages to keep the Rebels boxed in…the entire Rebellion is dead.

If Leia sits it out and tries to wait for an opportune moment that never comes…now she’s just witnessed the people she cares about the most die (well, Han, Chewie, and Lando would technically still be alive if they were fed to the Sarlacc but anything else, it’s permadeath).That means the only thing Leia can hope for is for the Rebellion to send a team to rescue her…but when news breaks of the entire Rebellion suffering a TPK? She either gets killed by guards while trying to kill Jabba, or she gives into despair and spends the rest of her life chained up…until Jabba kills her out of 1) anger, 2) boredom, or 3) she stops being useful as a trophy/dancer/whatever (like if she ages to the point where she loses her beauty/sex appeal).

Basically, the galaxy is screwed.