What If the CIA Never Existed?

Zachowon

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Not really.
You would possibly also make things worse and better.
Everything going OK in the world now has nothing to do with US doing anything
 

Hlaalu Agent

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Without thr CIA the cold War would have ended differently

Well, we wouldn't have given arms to narco-terrorists for one.

No...
The Gaza situation would still happen....Ukraine would still happen.

I disagree, without the USA the Ukrainians would still have nukes. Also, without the USA's intervention the entire landscape of the Middle East would be altered, so...
 

Zachowon

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LOL no it wouldn't. Communism is inherently self defeating. It's a contradictory ideology if you actually try to implement it beyond token efforts your nation will impoverish itself and collapse.
The US would most likely have been worse off by then as well.

The CIA is the reason we were invested in long range deep recon aircraft like rhe U2 and SR71.
thw CIA is responsible for a lot of aspects.
Well, we wouldn't have given arms to narco-terrorists for one.



I disagree, without the USA the Ukrainians would still have nukes. Also, without the USA's intervention the entire landscape of the Middle East would be altered, so...
Without the CIA, we would have most likely had a commie Italy...
That's about it
Maybe things would have been better or worse.
We truly wouldn't know because we don't live in that timeline.
 

King Arts

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The US would most likely have been worse off by then as well.

The CIA is the reason we were invested in long range deep recon aircraft like rhe U2 and SR71.
thw CIA is responsible for a lot of aspects.

Without the CIA, we would have most likely had a commie Italy...
That's about it
Maybe things would have been better or worse.
We truly wouldn't know because we don't live in that timeline.
I never said that the intelligence services were bad or whatever. I simply laughed at your thing that communism would have won if it was not for them. Communism can't win because it is failure incarnate.

Again you can have a government that says communism is good and calls Lennin, Mao, etc. heroes or whatever but still is not communist. But if you actually try to put communism into practice your nation will fail.
 

Zachowon

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I never said that the intelligence services were bad or whatever. I simply laughed at your thing that communism would have won if it was not for them. Communism can't win because it is failure incarnate.

Again you can have a government that says communism is good and calls Lennin, Mao, etc. heroes or whatever but still is not communist. But if you actually try to put communism into practice your nation will fail.
*looks at DPRK and China and Cuba*
Ah yes, look how they no longer exist
 

King Arts

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*looks at DPRK and China and Cuba*
Ah yes, look how they no longer exist
DPRK is about to collapse and would have without Chinese support. I don't know about Cuba.

As for China they aren't real communists they use state capitalism. Like I said they suck off Mao but their policies are the opposite of what he would do.
 

ATP

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LOL no it wouldn't. Communism is inherently self defeating. It's a contradictory ideology if you actually try to implement it beyond token efforts your nation will impoverish itself and collapse.
Yep.Only reason why soviets do not fall earlier,was Wall Street support.But,when Reagan made them stop it,stopped technology transfer and made oli cheap,might soviets fall in 6 years.
Even Bush could not save them,althought he did everything he could to do so.
 

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