Who else dreads this year?

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It's going to be a shitshow, no question. Honestly though, 2021 is the year that is going to be more interesting.

If Trump wins then a lot of political calculi (both domestic and foreign) change and he losses the need to care about public opinion as he isn't facing any more elections.

At the same time, the Dem's aren't going to be even remotely effective as opposition because they will be tearing themselves apart for having twice lost to Trump.

If the Democrat wins then things will be equally interesting but in very different ways. I mean, do they try and bring charges against Trump? What support do they have in the House and Senate? What do they do with regards to Trade, China, Iran, North Korea, Russia, the EU?
 

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The mass freakouts after Trump won more or less burned out my ability to care, or my desire to try and debate with other people on hot button issues, at least online. I'm sure there's going to be a lot of drama and insanity next year (hell, there's going go be a lot of drama and insanity tomorrow), but I'm not going to expose myself to it, so I don't really care either.
 

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I can understand being afraid, as we have no real idea what some of the crazies are capable of. But so far opinions about Trump have been relatively baked in and I have a hard time seeing how much worse things can get. Maybe "worse" is a poor word, though. Things have been pretty swell.
 

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Yeah, there's definitely a bit of fear, because there's no real limit I can see to how far things can go: between Antifa, fast and furious, operation choke point, all the Hillary things, everything that Google has done, de-platforming, the ramping up the rhetoric, the Obama era "let them work it out" statements to black mobs, and everything that happened with Muller, there doesn't really seem to be any line that the left (as a coaltion) will not cross. There is no real check on how much power they intend to wield, and no real sense of mercy, fairness, or tradition to constrain them.

Elections I think are increasing going to be life and death struggles, and I think the left still fully believes that demographics are destiny (which they are, within certain terms at least), and they are thus guaranteed permininate (at least for their lifetime) year rule. And once someone thinks their on the cusp of having guarenteed power, a lot of the rational for restraint in politics falls away, because there is no tict for tact, no reason to negotiate and compromise.

Politics is a game for keeps, or is being looked at as more so, and if victory now means victory forever, then there is no reason to be restrained now outside of however much present restraint aids present victory.

We already saw pretty unrestrained use of power under Obama. Whoever replaces him if the democrats win seems like they will be much less restrained than that.
 

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Dude,
As much as I may be seen as a bit alarmist? I am starting to wonder if Antifa might go the Weathermen route if Trump wins? I mean, they've psyched themselves up for it. So I guess why not?
They already are. Two attacks so far, openly encouraged and supported by virtually all of the Antifa organizations. I dont know if the Weathermen had CNN hosts and political figures openly talking about how great they were though.
 

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Dude,
As much as I may be seen as a bit alarmist? I am starting to wonder if Antifa might go the Weathermen route if Trump wins? I mean, they've psyched themselves up for it. So I guess why not?
They're already doing it. The two attacks on ICE mentioned already for example. The difference I think right now is that we no longer treat bombings as something that we can put a slap on the wrist on as long as no one dies.

Same with bank robbing which a lot of the radical revolutionary groups used to do in the 70s: the overall crime rate is too low, culturally those kinds of crimes are less tolerated and more cracked down on, and police is simply just more effective.

However, while the tactics have changed with the times, I'm not sure how extensive the practical difference is. You just have to employ your violence differently than you did in the past.
 

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I will say that I am worried about next year. However I was in the thick of the sixties nonsense (a good good family friend was one of the Seattle 7). Looking back, what is see is the left pushed a lot of people to the right and got Richard Nixon elected. There was a major segment of the country that wanted to go school or work, play with the kids, buy a house etc. They didn't appreciate unwashed, foul-mouthed hippies blocking the roads and voted for some one they thought would restore order.
 
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There are millions of people at the federal, state, and local level still completely committed to upholding the constitutional order out of a profound sense of conviction and loyalty to their oaths. This country is beautiful and tomorrow will be a beautiful year. Plan on a motoring trip, go see the sights in your homeland. Jeff is right, all these people do is turn Americans against them.
 

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...I have genuine worries about next year, and I think that the Opposition is just crazy enough to start late 60s-early 70s political violence as a warning to the rest of us. And if Trump wins (I believe that at this point, the election is his to lose), all bets will be off.
 

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I look forward to US elections now more than I do the Olympics, its going to be enormously entertaining. :D
I'm kind of in this camp.

I'll probably watch and be entertained.

I'm not really that worried. I think it'll be a huge clusterfuck, but I'll just watch that clusterfuck with amusement.

I may or may not vote. If I do, it'll probably be for Trump.

I'm still not a huge Trump fan...but the way I see it, he's better than the alternatives.
 

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well on the plus side looks like one good thing happened this year.
It was his own fault. He tried to kick up internet drama and a big stink on YouTube in a bid to somehow force Vox to cave to his Unions demands. Vox gets or more accurately got preferential treatment from YouTube because they are trying more and more to be CorporateTube. They probably lost a chunk of that in the Voxpocalypse. When you have a guy intentionally kick up a big storm for clout and attention to hang like an axe over the head of your boss and then also lose them a bunch of their organic income that isn't just 200 million dollar investments flushed into the gaping maw of no returns that is modern media, you probably are gonna see the unemployment office pretty soon.
 

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Antifa has committed terrorist attacks against two separate ICE facilities in the span of a month. If Trump wins theres gonna be blood.
A lot of blood, I fear. There will be Trump rallies. We are having them now. Expect the usual urine and feces attacks and beatings, but shootings wouldn't surprise me, particularly at rallies in Democrat territory, where police protection will be symbolic at best.uck, we'll have a couple of Antifarts shot in self defense. But that will ramp up their violence. I expect serious violence on or slightly before election day. It wouldn't surprise me if we have shooters or bomb attacks on polling places. I will definitely be packing.

If Trump wins, I expect Berserkely, Seattle, Portland, and similar places to burn. [SHRUG] I don't much care if they burn. I don't think they will raid much into our neighborhoods too much. Our cops will respond, and the possibility of rifle fire from the residents should dissuade them. If not, the actuality of it will. I also expect four years of increasing terrorism, peaking on election days in 2022 and 2024.

If Trump loses, all bets are off. There will be massive, perhaps irresistable allegations of election fraud. Whether the Right has the balls to do more than whine, is anybody's guess.
 

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A lot of blood, I fear. There will be Trump rallies. We are having them now. Expect the usual urine and feces attacks and beatings, but shootings wouldn't surprise me, particularly at rallies in Democrat territory, where police protection will be symbolic at best.uck, we'll have a couple of Antifarts shot in self defense. But that will ramp up their violence. I expect serious violence on or slightly before election day. It wouldn't surprise me if we have shooters or bomb attacks on polling places. I will definitely be packing.

If Trump wins, I expect Berserkely, Seattle, Portland, and similar places to burn. [SHRUG] I don't much care if they burn. I don't think they will raid much into our neighborhoods too much. Our cops will respond, and the possibility of rifle fire from the residents should dissuade them. If not, the actuality of it will. I also expect four years of increasing terrorism, peaking on election days in 2022 and 2024.

If Trump loses, all bets are off. There will be massive, perhaps irresistable allegations of election fraud. Whether the Right has the balls to do more than whine, is anybody's guess.
My city had people pelted with eggs and punched at a rally, hats stolen and burned, and cars hit and damaged. With the way things have been going I expect more of that. The way people talk about him here and treat supporters is ridiculous. Most people arent insane on either side. You can actually get along reasonably well with a lot of self identified socialists when they know you and talk to you and see you as a human being and you do the same. Its when they buy into dehumanization of us as nazi fascist KKK members that they see us as an enemy to be beaten in the streets that things go bad.
 

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I've never made my disgust of Trump private but I do dread. Whoever wins its going to be a shitshow. Trump loses then he his base will cry to the heavens foul foul foul. I expect lone nutbags to attack. If the Dems lose antifa will lose their minds and I expect riots all over the place.
 
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