"Woke" Franchises
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I'm happy they got one of their dykes taken away.
Argent
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So I am here to complain about anthor movie. The live action version of Mulan. While I know Diseny has taken some flak for making everything a live action in general I have enjoyed them. Aladdin was decent even with Will Smith not living up to Robbin Willaims. But really those are huge shoes to fill. While others like Lion King or Buteay and the Beauty and Beast where true to the original.
But they tried to make Mulan have more girl power and add extra magic. All thing that where uneeded.
The original while having a more collective story about sacrificing for ones family then is voge in current western media's live affair with throwing off tradition and individualism is the end all. But overall it still had a strong g story that could cross cultural boundaries about how a young women fights to preserve her families honor and save her father.
The new one has the same basic story but they had to add in magic that only men "can" use while giving the Mongol hordes a witch that was casted out of China due to her using magic.
The entire plot line felt unneeded.
The whole original story is about a women raising to met a challenge. She didn't need special powers to give her an advantage. Instead she made though training grit and smarts. Instead of special magic let her fly though training she used her intelligence to climb the pole. Both things that I think make the original a stronger character.
Overall I veiw the changes and attempts to make the movie have more girl power actually undermine the very point they wanted to make.
But they tried to make Mulan have more girl power and add extra magic. All thing that where uneeded.
The original while having a more collective story about sacrificing for ones family then is voge in current western media's live affair with throwing off tradition and individualism is the end all. But overall it still had a strong g story that could cross cultural boundaries about how a young women fights to preserve her families honor and save her father.
The new one has the same basic story but they had to add in magic that only men "can" use while giving the Mongol hordes a witch that was casted out of China due to her using magic.
The entire plot line felt unneeded.
The whole original story is about a women raising to met a challenge. She didn't need special powers to give her an advantage. Instead she made though training grit and smarts. Instead of special magic let her fly though training she used her intelligence to climb the pole. Both things that I think make the original a stronger character.
Overall I veiw the changes and attempts to make the movie have more girl power actually undermine the very point they wanted to make.
Terthna
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They weren't trying to make a point with that movie; they were just trying to chase a trend (in this case, that all women must be written as flawless Mary Sues who are inherently better then men), and make China happy at the same time (which is the audience the whole "sacrificing for one's family/state" theme was written for).
Argent
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While I see the frist one especially with how the evil witch is only evil because evil traditional values and men. You also have a point with how women I recent Blockbusters have been portrayed. I also noticed it has been happening with LGBT characters too. Any major flaws or making them a villain is frowned upon. Which leads to cardboard that the audience fails to connect to.
But the second is just a byproduct of the story. The basic story of Mulan already did everthing to make the Chinese happy. Disney did a decent job taking the themes from the original folk tale and making into a Disney Princess movie way back in 1998. This is when the Chinese box office was an afterthought and no studio would have add the Chinese save the day like in the Martian or change the Ancient One. Disney did not need to change the story to keep China happy. The orginal had the main of sacrificing for ones family and nation already.
That is really my main complaint. The changes add nothing to the story and actually undermine the main character. Instead of having a female warrior that works hard you have a mary sue with super special magic save the day. I got the same feeling when supposed woke organizations like the BBC change Sybil Vimes into a hot women.
It just shows most of the Social Justice is just a badly from check list that works against the supposed goals of the movement.
Terthna
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Disney's first adaptation of Mulan's story though had a much more individualist bent to it; which I suspect would have carried over to the newer version, if not for their desire to appeal to the Chinese market.
Darmani
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That feels like a good update. Static was in the shadow of rodney king, la riots, and drive bysApparently Milestone Comics' iconic and most successful character, Static Shock, just wasn't quite 'woke' enough for Today's world. For those of you that don't know, Virgil Hawkins, ie Static Shock, had his origins as a Black teenager who was bullied by a gang of White kids at his school and being convinced to retaliate by shooting said bully with a gun when the White kids were meeting with a rival gang. At the last moment he refuses to shoot the Bully and throws the gun aside when Law Enforcement raids the gang meetup and he's caught up in the ensuing chaos. The LEO's use a new sort of tear gas that gives many of those present, including Virgil, superhuman powers in an event known as 'The Big Bang' because it occurred during a Gangbanger meetup.
Static was created by a group of Black Comic book writers who intended on making Static a teenaged superhero somewhat similar to Spider-man. Milestone Comics itself was founded a few decades ago by Black Artists and Writers and Static turned out to be their most successful hero. This is because Dwayne McDuffie, the original creator and other members of the creative team actually wrote good stories with decent artwork and also because the ensuing TV series Static Shock was also pretty decent and further helped popularize the character.
So what do you think happens when you have an already well established, grounded African-American character with substance and relatable issues facing all teenagers at the time of its release and REBOOT it now and have an overhyped race hustler like Reginald Hudlin pen a new origin story under the DC Comics brand?
DC Comics Retcon Sees Static Receive Powers During Black Lives Matter Protest
DC Comics has retconned the origin of Static, better known in his animated form as Static Shock, to feature a Black Lives Matter protest.boundingintocomics.com
Why, you just eschew the idea of the difficulties of growing up in High School and being bullied in a school with obvious racial issues amongst its student body and relevant social issues of growing up in an urban neighborhood and replace it with him marching in a peaceful Black Lives Matter protest that gets assaulted by a shieldwall of racist White cops who open fire on them with the aforementioned experimental tear gas with impunity and relish in seeing their bodies hitting the concrete. When it is shown that the tear gas is having side effects, one of the kids protesting is seen having his face melting off and one of the cops asks if they should call an ambulance but another cop says "Don't get soft. They asked for it."
That it is BLM really does feel a legit update. especially emphasizing militarism in cops and policing.
The previous tear gas was experimental Military weapon used on black urban environments And blood syndicate Was the primary victims and the big bang was a general gang war that exploded into disaster with military Chemical experimental weapons (gulf war ref too) used on disadvantaged and ignored populations
Something relevant to BLM -Which, at base, is how our apathetic assumptions And ignorance of police violence and the resulting harm - so update is appropriate especially In how treated vs. Affluent and yes white folks. How image and cultural condemnation plays into response.
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Uh-huh. BLM doesn't care about ordinary blacks, they want criminal blacks to run amok without opposition.
DarthOne
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You haven’t been paying attention, have you?
Darmani
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What I Miss and why feel bad update? For one gang violence has...changed and isn't as shocking. Like said static and milestones big bang, it's super empowering event, was deliberately controversial Especially for the times and political Nose tweaking
The primary victims, who we are presented with as pretty heroic victims against a corrupt us system, are legit school dropout Gangsters. Albeit with heroic motives....intentions and even that doesn't prevent a death duel and drug addiction and other complications
Darmani
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I would not call it apologia. Blood syndicate just humanized the gangsters but as mentioned they had good intentions and bad actions. Ckmpared to other badass action heroes of the time feltlegit That a bloody street gang kept getting screwed and screwed up
Virgil was The more traditional hero compared to them and his story doesn't *justify* the big bang. Just highlight gang violence and hatred is a thing
Not least he has personal Experience and temptation And flaws. Like when he slides to antisemitism Or being homophobic. Or gets tempted by Holocaust. That's the evil blood syndicate member
Basically blood syndicate would be uhmm black good fellas meets xmen Only more a focus on the morlocks meets brotherhood. And how that happens but a bad thing. Not like dark knight or daredevil and others weren't lionizing badass "antiheroes"
See also shadow cabinet with being the secret special forces troubleshooter also with own dramas plus end up doing some dirty jobs to keep the world spinning.
Darmani
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Is the godfather, goodfellow, oceans eleven, max Payne, or GTA or Robin hood "apologia""Oh no won't someone thing of the poor gang bangers they mean well they just don't know any better, truly peer pressure and circumstance are the real villains 😭" is apologia dude, it's just not as blatant as it could be.
Terthna
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Yeah, except Static Shock was originally designed to be a hero; now his new origin story has him squarely aligned with a violent, explicitly racist black supremacist movement. Which is what BLM is; there's no arguing against that fact, not after what happened last year.
Darmani
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Uh. Being part of an antipolice protest with negative aspects is worse than chickening out in a private Hit in the midst of a gang war?
I admit BLM the organization is fucked up at points. So were the black Panthers. But saying too evil for virgil is a bit much when primarily a victim of attack
Mind I fear told wrong.
The big bang was more a disaster Albeit man made and of hubris and exploitation
This seems more...Frank Castle in bloody sweater vest
Bear Ribs
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#NotAllProtestors. I means nobody can argue seriously that no vandalism and arson and even murder happened in those protests (I've seen folks try, mind you), but not every person holding a placard and marching was violent, there were people who just genuinely wanted change for the better.
I wouldn't say so, no. Godfather overall portrayed the steady decline of the mafia into thugs, Goodfellow ends with the protagonist having to go into fed protection, Oceans Eleven was eleven thiefs working to get back at a casino owner who screwed them, Max Payne was about a cop dismantling a drug ring via extra-legal means, Robin Hood was about a group of loyalists working to restore the country to the rightful king, and newer GTA games were in general about how dangerous and often pointless crime and gang fights were.
Terthna
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Point; but, to draw from the regressive left's favorite topic of comparison, not every Nazi was a bad person either, particularly before they took over Germany (after which many of those who were good, or at least decent, people either got purged, or were scared into silence). Doesn't change the fact that the actions and goals of the group as a whole, as dictated by its leaders, were monstrous.
In a word? YES.
Being a victim neither excuses, nor justifies bigotry; especially when that bigotry is expressed through violence against innocent people (although I'd be willing to bet the comic's narrative will be careful to portray every white person as inherently evil, due to the color of their skin).
Static Shock has been turned into a work of propaganda; his comic portrays the world how the regressive left wants black people to see it, not how it actually is.