Yes Prime Minister EP 1 "Let's Suspend Parliament"

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And if you're British then you're a traitor to the crown ,a subversive of democracy and a pawn of the Eurocrats.

If we're done playing the name calling game then can you at least give a reason as to why Britain would invade Ireland?
 
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Oops sorry about that.

Though I don't really get why discussing a regular Parliament activity would suddenly derail into "Why Britain would invade Ireland?".
 
It's probably my fault for suggesting Britain wouldn't let Scotland leave and would instead send troops in... But it's a whole different ball game when it's part of your country. The Ireland thing is silly.
 
Not sure why the hell they'd even invade Ireland anyway since that makes no sense...

Also it appears that like 20 tories have rebelled (BBC literally called them Rebel Alliance or something) and that means BoJo has no majority.

Pretty sure that ain't what was supposed to happen.
 
In fresh news the suspension as been overturned and ruled as unlawful. They'll all be back tomorrow.

The Judicial branch effectively overruled the Executive, stated he essentially broke the law, lied to the Queen and attempted to subvert democracy. To my knowledge this hasn't happened before.
Last time the Executive got overruled like this was Charles I, and that didn't end well for him :p

In other words the situation continues to be a carnival
 
In fresh news the suspension as been overturned and ruled as unlawful. They'll all be back tomorrow.

The Judicial branch effectively overruled the Executive, stated he essentially broke the law, lied to the Queen and attempted to subvert democracy. To my knowledge this hasn't happened before.
Last time the Executive got overruled like this was Charles I, and that didn't end well for him :p

In other words the situation continues to be a carnival
So what does that mean? The word "democracy" has no meaning in the UK anymore? The parliament has decided that only what they want goes, and the peasants have to shut up and accept their rulings?
 
In fresh news the suspension as been overturned and ruled as unlawful. They'll all be back tomorrow.

The Judicial branch effectively overruled the Executive, stated he essentially broke the law, lied to the Queen and attempted to subvert democracy. To my knowledge this hasn't happened before.
Last time the Executive got overruled like this was Charles I, and that didn't end well for him :p

In other words the situation continues to be a carnival

And the Liberals cheer this on... so Democracy dies to thunderous applause, UK edition?
 
Whats interesting is labour is even more dysfunctional and UK voters would rather have a no-deal than a Corbyn PM (can't blame them). BoJo was already very weak and a case like this would under normal circumstances take down a government.

Basically no one knows what comes next.
 
The PM did act incorrectly, the issue in Parliament is that as there is no clear majority on Brexit so there is no clear majority in Parliament. The referendum was 52% which is very close, if that was reflected in parliament a handful of MPs could swing the entire house, which is largely what is happening.
It is almost a perfect reflection of democracy, almost half the country said no so almost half of parliament is fighting that cause too.

But in this case the PM did overstep his power and got slapped down for it, I'm quite surprised he didn't predict this would happen as it seemed rather obvious.
 
If he resigns the day before Brexit having done nothing to prevent a no-deal would he have violated the law? And would anyone be able to prevent a no-deal Brexit at that point?
 
Parliament does have the power to seek an extension and likely will some time in October, they'll force a vote even if the PM objects and the result becomes law. The PM wanted to avoid this by shutting parliament, this has failed, so a vote is likely.

Losing such a vote, which seems likely, on top of this is going to ruin Boris but he may stick around until an election. Probably soon. Right now it looks probable Brexit isn't happening before next year. Assuming Parliament votes as expected.

The fundamental problem in all of this is how close the Brexit vote was. It offered a mandate but not a very solid one especially as neither side was entirely up front about the ramifications. There is reasonable doubt that a second vote would give a different result, but not necessarily the result those pushing for it seek.
 
Additionally there is now talk of a no confidence vote in the PM and government, if passed it could trigger an instant election. Given the bad options on both sides expect joy if that goes ahead.
 
BoJo lied to Her Majesty in order to make the Crown complicit in a dubious political maneuver that probably hurt Brexit far more than it could have helped. Regardless of anything else, lying to the monarch ought to be a total disgrace of the leader of the Conservative Party, as a gross violation of all the traditions it supposedly exists to defend. He should fall on his sword but that's hardly likely so the farce will continue on to Britain's detriment.

As for Brexit itself given the obvious divisions and inability to determine what terms Britain should seek to leave on going back to the voters is the only course left to break the deadlock. A general election in it's own ought to be enough if the Tories win or, rather improbably, the LibDms win; and Labour committed itself to another referendum. Let the matter be settled by the public now rather than by interminable legislative trench-fighting and dirty tricks.
 
Well this is unwelcome news. I am wondering if BoJo actually lied to the Queen, or if that was just something ginned up by Remainers to scuttle the pro-roguation.

I can only hope that Brexit goes through at the new of October, so everyone can move on and start real negotiations for the future of the UK. Unfortunately I doubt Brexit will happen anytime soon, and could see this dragged out for years more.
 
The problem is the Parliament doesn't want to give it to the voters. There's genuine anger over not just the circus occuring, but the clear delaying of a deal. If the Tories or LibDm's were going to win, they would have let the election go through when Boris called for it earlier. I suspect Boris will resign before the week is over, forcing elections.

And the Tories/LibDm's will condemn him for resigning in some way. Certainly all they will have, the "He lied to the queen" angle is about as believable as a Botox-assisted smile on a 75-year old. Most likely Boris was upfront with her. Certainly I've seen nothing, even "Sources", to suggest otherwise.
 
Look there is not going to be a deal, any british people here who think that.. um Im sorry man but every EU member state gets a veto and even if you had the best negiotiators the chances that some country like um France wouldn't scuttle a deal purely out of spite are exactly Zero.
 
Look there is not going to be a deal, any british people here who think that.. um Im sorry man but every EU member state gets a veto and even if you had the best negiotiators the chances that some country like um France wouldn't scuttle a deal purely out of spite are exactly Zero.
Of course there isn't; the EU turned down a deal that would have essentially turned the UK into a subservient vassal state. There is literally nothing more that they can offer. At this point, the only plan the UK government seems to have, is delay the deadline indefinitely until the situation somehow improves. None of them want Brexit to happen; they don't care that the people voted for it, because to them, a vote that goes against what the elite class wants is clearly invalid.

Ever since Brexit became a thing, I've learned more about UK politics than I would have cared to otherwise, and what I've learned is that it is so thoroughly dysfunctional, that I'm not really sure leaving the EU actually improves anything in terms of giving power back to the voter; which was part of the original intent of Brexit. What they have is what much of Europe has; a pale imitation of democracy, that adopted many of the trappings, but ultimately more resembles an oligarchy than anything else. At least we have the constitution to bind our government; what does Europe have to guarantee that the people have at least some measure of power in the system? What rights are they guaranteed? From what I've seen, only those the government hasn't seen fit to strip from them as of yet; we know they don't have freedom of speech, or a right to bear arms, or freedom of association. And the right to vote is slowly being dismantled as I type.

The UK, and Europe in general, is screwed if this keeps up. They've let power concentrate into the hands of a select few, to a degree far, far worse than America has, and I would not be surprised if European countries start abandoning the pretense of being democratic, and just straight up embrace authoritarianism. Whatever form it takes from country to country, they'll all be right back where they started in the lead up to World War 1, where a small number of elites sent millions out to die for a cause that basically boiled down to eliminating their rivals for power.
 
In fresh news the suspension as been overturned and ruled as unlawful. They'll all be back tomorrow.

The Judicial branch effectively overruled the Executive, stated he essentially broke the law, lied to the Queen and attempted to subvert democracy. To my knowledge this hasn't happened before.
Last time the Executive got overruled like this was Charles I, and that didn't end well for him :p

In other words the situation continues to be a carnival
It's worse than the Judicial Branch overruling the executive. The Judicial Branch directly ruled that the Queen can't do something. This despite the fact that, legally, all of the Judicial power is derived direct from the Monarch and under british law, convention, and tradition it is actually impossible for the Queen to violate the law.

Boris Johnson did not, legally speaking, projure Parliament. Boris Johnson went to the Queen and advised her to do so. The Queen decided to listen to his advice and use her power to projure Parliament.

The courts just went and effectively said that the Queen doesn't actually have that power, that the Prime Minister does, and then said that the Prime Minister used it unlawfully.

Although, hopefully, once all this is done and over with the UK will finally sit down and actually get a written Constitution that can't be changed at the simple whims of Parliament and explicitly lays out what powers various entities have (the Queen, the PM, Parliament, the Courts, Scotland/NI/England/etc.).

Parliament does have the power to seek an extension and likely will some time in October, they'll force a vote even if the PM objects and the result becomes law. The PM wanted to avoid this by shutting parliament, this has failed, so a vote is likely.

Losing such a vote, which seems likely, on top of this is going to ruin Boris but he may stick around until an election. Probably soon. Right now it looks probable Brexit isn't happening before next year. Assuming Parliament votes as expected.

The fundamental problem in all of this is how close the Brexit vote was. It offered a mandate but not a very solid one especially as neither side was entirely up front about the ramifications. There is reasonable doubt that a second vote would give a different result, but not necessarily the result those pushing for it seek.

Legally, Parliament doesn't actually have that power. Legally, all British foreign policy is done under the Monarchs reserved powers (as used by the Prime Minister). While Parliament's consent is required to make a treaty binding or the like, they don't actually have any legal authority to negotiate or interact with foreign entities. That is the remit of the Monarch (acting through/by the Prime Minister).

Of course, Bercow is staunchly anti-Brexit (especially No Deal Brexit) and is blatantly and repeatedly breaking written law, convention, and tradition to let Parliament do whatever it can to slow/halt the process.

BoJo lied to Her Majesty in order to make the Crown complicit in a dubious political maneuver that probably hurt Brexit far more than it could have helped. Regardless of anything else, lying to the monarch ought to be a total disgrace of the leader of the Conservative Party, as a gross violation of all the traditions it supposedly exists to defend. He should fall on his sword but that's hardly likely so the farce will continue on to Britain's detriment.

As for Brexit itself given the obvious divisions and inability to determine what terms Britain should seek to leave on going back to the voters is the only course left to break the deadlock. A general election in it's own ought to be enough if the Tories win or, rather improbably, the LibDms win; and Labour committed itself to another referendum. Let the matter be settled by the public now rather than by interminable legislative trench-fighting and dirty tricks.

Whether or not BoJo lied to Her Majesty should have been legally irrelevant. The Queen technically has the authority, on her own, to projure parliament. As a matter of tradition she only does so when the PM requests it but, under the plain letter of the law, the PM doesn't actually have any legal roll in the process. Legally, the Queen decided to projure parliament (upon the advice of her Prime Minister, which she is not actually legally obligated to accept or act on).

This entire court case was almost as farcical as Bercow deciding that Queens Assent wasn't needed for the last Brexit law (despite the fact that it directly affects royal prerogatives).

Look there is not going to be a deal, any british people here who think that.. um Im sorry man but every EU member state gets a veto and even if you had the best negiotiators the chances that some country like um France wouldn't scuttle a deal purely out of spite are exactly Zero.

The real hillarity would have been if BoJo went to the EU requesting an extension and then used the British veto (the European Council has to be unanimous on Brexit matters) to veto his own request for an extension.
 

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