Star Wars Zachowon's The Book of Boba Fett Thread

We all know this is gonna end up a Boba vs Bane fight. Those two have way more history an beef. I predict this Mando will go up against Bane and get his ass handed to him literally. No offense to Din but Bane is above his paygrade at this time. The man has taken down freaking Jedi for goodness sake. This will cause Din to lose the Darksaber to Bane. Boba and Bane will square off and Boba will defeat him in combat claiming the Darksaber.
 
We all know this is gonna end up a Boba vs Bane fight. Those two have way more history an beef. I predict this Mando will go up against Bane and get his ass handed to him literally. No offense to Din but Bane is above his paygrade at this time. The man has taken down freaking Jedi for goodness sake. This will cause Din to lose the Darksaber to Bane. Boba and Bane will square off and Boba will defeat him in combat claiming the Darksaber.
Fennec bane rematch me thinks
 
If they really do go the route of "Luke going to rebuild the Jedi in the Old Republic's image." then I don't really feel sorry for it falling a 2nd time. What's the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result? Are we seriously going the route of "Luke never bothered to ask WHY his father fell"? or are we going the edgy route of "The Jedi's only mistake was putting faith in superstations like prophecy."?

I get Ahsoka having baggage, but you'd think that after all Luke went through with Anakin he'd know better. Maybe all roads do lead to the sequel trilogy. He did try to murder his nephew for having "dark thoughts" after all.
 
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This is huge. Boba Fett was seen in the latest episode apparently! Looks like a mega team up like in the last episode of The Mandalorian is in the works!



I get Ahsoka having baggage, but you'd think that after all Luke went through with Anakin he'd no better. Maybe all roads do lead to the sequel trilogy. He did try to murder his nephew for having "dark thoughts" after all.

The meme'ing has already begun on that front.

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Well, I can see how the NJO fell so fast.

Ahsoka, way to drop the ball on Luke's training, you could have guided him with his visions, instead leaving him to attempt to murder Ben in his bed. I get Bridger, and more importantly Thrawn, are out there, and Luke may have too much of his father in him. But this is also Padme's son, and she deserved better than this from her former bodyguard and friend, and Grogu deserves some addition context on what being a Mando Foundling.

Like damn, Luke never heard of Tare Visla, and Ahsoka never bother to mention it to Luke once Grogu arrived. Luke needs Bo-Katan to come knock some sense into him, and tell him one can be both Mando, and Jedi...the Mando balances the Jedi disattachment bit. Ahsoka know's damn well what the Foundling thing means to the Mando's, and that the Mando's suffered as much as the Jedi under the Empire, and Mando's are something anyone can be, where as Jedi are something not any can be.

However, if Grogu choses the chain mail, he avoids being there when the Knights of Ren level it, and neatly explains his absence from the sequel trilogy. We also never saw any Mando's/Mando remnant's fighting Palp's Reborn, or any attacks on Mandalore (what would be the point, after that TIE Bomber extravaganza, particularly if there was not one even squatting in the ruins).

Also RIP Timothy and possibly Cobb; HELLO CAD, YOU MAGNIFICEINT BLUE DURO BASTARD.

CAD VS BOBA, semi-live action.

We also possibly have Han and Chewie in the mix based on the IMDb thing. All the really leaves is SURPRISE OMEEGA AND HI< I'M YOU SISTER.
 
Ahsoka, way to drop the ball on Luke's training, you could have guided him with his visions, instead leaving him to attempt to murder Ben in his bed. I get Bridger, and more importantly Thrawn, are out there, and Luke may have too much of his father in him. But this is also Padme's son, and she deserved better than this from her former bodyguard and friend, and Grogu deserves some addition context on what being a Mando Foundling.

Like damn, Luke never heard of Tare Visla, and Ahsoka never bother to mention it to Luke once Grogu arrived. Luke needs Bo-Katan to come knock some sense into him, and tell him one can be both Mando, and Jedi...the Mando balances the Jedi disattachment bit. Ahsoka know's damn well what the Foundling thing means to the Mando's, and that the Mando's suffered as much as the Jedi under the Empire, and Mando's are something anyone can be, where as Jedi are something not any can be.

1. Remember, Ahsoka wasn't part of any of the Season 3/4 Rebels material with the Darksaber and Mandalorian culture. She was literally removed from the timeline in the Rebels Season 2 finale and doesn't return until Ezra goes back for her in Season 4, Episode 13, which was after the Mando subplot was completely resolved.

2. To the degree that Ahsoka knew anything about it, she most likely feels that it's wiser to withhold that information because she -- like Anakin and Obi-Wan -- sided with Satine's desire for "soft" cultural genocide against the Mandalorians. While she wouldn't ever support the mass murder campaign that the Empire ultimately enacted, she most likely (and not without reason) feels that it's better for the galaxy if the last remnants of the Mandalorians and their culture fade into the dustbin of history.

3. From an out-of-character perspective, they have to be *really* careful with Ahsoka-Luke interactions because of the potential for her -- as a fully trained Jedi, despite having rejected the Order -- to overshadow him.
 
I don't like the way they're handling this at all. Just on the off chance someone who tries to avoid spoilers has somehow wandered into this thread, I'll put my comments below a spoiler-cut.

Having Luke force a choice on the little guy is just terrible writing. It's really stupid, both in-universe and just as a narrative choice. This kind of "you must choose on or the other", especially when forced by an adult on a kid, is always a villain move. This is what a gas-lighting, manipulative parental figure does when his victim finds a new friend and may therefore find an avenue out of the manipulations of the parental figure.

Luke wouldn't do this, because it's a shit move. I also don't like that he'd bring back the stupid "no attachment" idea, since that was demonstrably a bad idea, but okay -- we might debate that. If all the holocrons and shit told him that's the way to be a Jedi, maybe he's just trying to live up to the legacy or whatever. But going about it by basically forcing a child to choose between gifts and saying "choose A and you'll never see me again, choose B and you'll never see your adoptive dad again" is just... psychopathic.

From a writing perspective, it's just lazy. Whatever outcome you want to achieve with this, it can be done better. (Considering that the converted Naboo fighter explicitly has an extra little cockpit, it's pretty clear which way this choice is going, by the way.)

Anyway, this shit depiction of Luke just shows us that, somehow, he was already becoming the utter shit-heel he would later become, trying to kill his nephew and abandoning the galaxy to suffer.

This has ceased to be fun for me.

It's also a supposed Boba Fett series which actually has very little Boba Fett, and which portrays him as too much of a wimp when he does show up. He should be ruthless, and he's just... not.

Utterly 'meh', with a side order of 'blergh' where the sub-plot referenced below the cut is concerned.
 
I don't like the way they're handling this at all. Just on the off chance someone who tries to avoid spoilers has somehow wandered into this thread, I'll put my comments below a spoiler-cut.

Having Luke force a choice on the little guy is just terrible writing. It's really stupid, both in-universe and just as a narrative choice. This kind of "you must choose on or the other", especially when forced by an adult on a kid, is always a villain move. This is what a gas-lighting, manipulative parental figure does when his victim finds a new friend and may therefore find an avenue out of the manipulations of the parental figure.

Luke wouldn't do this, because it's a shit move. I also don't like that he'd bring back the stupid "no attachment" idea, since that was demonstrably a bad idea, but okay -- we might debate that. If all the holocrons and shit told him that's the way to be a Jedi, maybe he's just trying to live up to the legacy or whatever. But going about it by basically forcing a child to choose between gifts and saying "choose A and you'll never see me again, choose B and you'll never see your adoptive dad again" is just... psychopathic.

From a writing perspective, it's just lazy. Whatever outcome you want to achieve with this, it can be done better. (Considering that the converted Naboo fighter explicitly has an extra little cockpit, it's pretty clear which way this choice is going, by the way.)

Anyway, this shit depiction of Luke just shows us that, somehow, he was already becoming the utter shit-heel he would later become, trying to kill his nephew and abandoning the galaxy to suffer.

This has ceased to be fun for me.

It's also a supposed Boba Fett series which actually has very little Boba Fett, and which portrays him as too much of a wimp when he does show up. He should be ruthless, and he's just... not.

Utterly 'meh', with a side order of 'blergh' where the sub-plot referenced below the cut is concerned.
Honestly, It makes sense in a way, they need to set up Luke shooting his own order in the balls and they need to get Grogu out of town. Solution: Make all the old mistakes! Of course also make Luke an utter hypocrite.

Luke: Jedi have no attachment, which is why I brought my nephew along!
 
I don't like the way they're handling this at all. Just on the off chance someone who tries to avoid spoilers has somehow wandered into this thread, I'll put my comments below a spoiler-cut.

Having Luke force a choice on the little guy is just terrible writing. It's really stupid, both in-universe and just as a narrative choice. This kind of "you must choose on or the other", especially when forced by an adult on a kid, is always a villain move. This is what a gas-lighting, manipulative parental figure does when his victim finds a new friend and may therefore find an avenue out of the manipulations of the parental figure.

Luke wouldn't do this, because it's a shit move. I also don't like that he'd bring back the stupid "no attachment" idea, since that was demonstrably a bad idea, but okay -- we might debate that. If all the holocrons and shit told him that's the way to be a Jedi, maybe he's just trying to live up to the legacy or whatever. But going about it by basically forcing a child to choose between gifts and saying "choose A and you'll never see me again, choose B and you'll never see your adoptive dad again" is just... psychopathic.

From a writing perspective, it's just lazy. Whatever outcome you want to achieve with this, it can be done better. (Considering that the converted Naboo fighter explicitly has an extra little cockpit, it's pretty clear which way this choice is going, by the way.)

Anyway, this shit depiction of Luke just shows us that, somehow, he was already becoming the utter shit-heel he would later become, trying to kill his nephew and abandoning the galaxy to suffer.

This has ceased to be fun for me.

It's also a supposed Boba Fett series which actually has very little Boba Fett, and which portrays him as too much of a wimp when he does show up. He should be ruthless, and he's just... not.

Utterly 'meh', with a side order of 'blergh' where the sub-plot referenced below the cut is concerned.

As much as I like the Mandalorian, that series should have been books 1 & 2 of the books of Boba Fett. All of the scenes and dialogue Din Jinn has, you could have given to Boba and not only would very little change, plot wise but Boba as a character would have been better for it. Not only would he still have been the bad mamber jamber we always wanted to see, but his interactions with Grogu would have shown us a softer more nobler side of him (Which could have easily been explained by the time he spent with the tuskens being nursed back to health.)
You could still have him recruiting Ferrec to get his "Real" ship back (Basically the crest was a tempory junky place holder) and getting his armor from Cobb as respective sub-plots. season 1-2 would have essentially gone down the way they had, and the "civilizing Tatooine" arc would have been season 3. About the only loss would be The Convenient, and to be perfectly honest that group raises more continuity errors and questions than answers. "Let's artificially raise the drama by introducing a bunch of Mandalorian customs that are so important yet not once mentioned and in fact contradicted both in Legends and in our own previous continuity."

you could have him and Bo-Katan be rivals set up in season 2. Boba's faction on Tatoonie can become a neo True Mandalorians faction, and season 4 for is essentially a final Mandalorian civil war between Boba's True Mandalorians and Bo-Katan's Death Watch. Boba beats Bo-Katan, claims the Darksaber and becomes the new Mandalore with the expectation that Grogu will eventually best him and take his place creating a new force order that can keep the jedi order in check and be kept in check in return.

Red flags honestly popped up for me when Ahsoka of all people was the one promoting the Old Jedi Dogma, but I was willing to give them a chance and dismiss it as "She's part of the old order. She's got a lot of baggage and old habits die hard (Not to mention some potential PTSD from her best friend so utterly and ruthlessly betraying her.)

But then they are pulling this with Luke and I can't help but face palm as they are all but choreographing why the temple falls a 2nd time and why Luke is so bitter towards the OLD jedi order. Which BTW looking back we should have known something was off when Luke airs his greviounces with the Jedi with Rey.

"Wait you're just now learning of all this AFTER your jedi order already fell? What did you build your New Jedi Order off of if you didn't learn from the mistakes of....Oh no. Luke please tell me you didn't try to rebuild the New Jedi Order in the image of the old one."

Here is how the scene with Grogu and Luke should have gone.

Luke: Choose the armor and you will go back to the Mandalorian but know you'll forsake the path of the Jedi. Choose the lightsaber and you'll be the first student of my academy, but be warned. You may never see the Mandalorian again. What say you?

*Grogu hesitates for a moment before summoning both towards him. The Armor is in his left hand the lightsaber is in his right making it clear he chooses to embrace both.

Luke: *Smiles* I was hoping that would be your choice, but I didn't want to lead you on. Have you ever heard the legends of Tarre Vizsla the Great?

*Grogu gives a puzzled look*

Luke: *Chuckles* I didn't think so. They aren't stories the Jedi would have openly told...

You would have gotten a nice homage to ROTS (Except in this case the legend is a source of light not darkness) and Luke gives a nice lesson about having to make your own choice and/or choose a third option rather than relying on others to make choices for you.

Heck maybe you could have a conversation between him and Mando. Luke asks Mando how he's suddenly not a Mandalorian anymore, Din says because he broke the old code, and Luke points out that sometimes the old traditions need to be broken or left behind so that something better can rise from the ashes. if you really wanted to pay homage to the ST *blerg* you can have him make a comment of "letting the past die." at least here it makes more since in context as he's not referring to the legit past like Kylo was, but rather the old dogmas.
 
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Without having to go into spoiler territory---

I like your suggestion of The Mandalorian instead starring Boba Fett, @KilroywasNOTHere, and it just being a Boba Fett character piece from the start. Din Djarin is nice enough, but he's basically a Fett expy anyway. Cool bounty hunter in cool armour.

You wouldn't even have to lose the radical sect of Mandos we get in the original series. Their existence does make some sense, in that ltra-radical splinter movements would realistically develop in the wake of planetary genocide. Totally hyper-focused on "The Old Ways", which they only sort of half remember, actually, so they just kind of make it up (convincing themselves that they have it all figured out right and proper). It only takes one rabid Death Watch straggler leading a bunch of orphan kids that he indocrinates, and there's your little cult of fanatics.

Anyway, they could play a role in the plot, distrusting Fett because he doesn't follow the Mando ways (as they see them), but at the same time not caring that he's actually a clone of a guy whose Mando creds are contested. To them, anyone who joins up and adheres to "The Way" is a true Mando.

And then you can contrast this with Bo Katan's group, which doesn't care about ultra-traditionalism (and really, they look down on it, seeing that sect as a bunch of obsessive LARP-ers), but who all disdain Boba for "just being a clone", and thus "not a REAL Mandalorian".

The logical trajectory for the series, of course, would be for Boba Fett -- wiser, after his ordeal with the Sarlacc and his time with the Tuskens -- to gradually build up a network of friends and allies, gain the Darksaber, and eventually coming to unite the disparate groups of Mandos under his banner. (Basically, his parental role to Grogu + his role of increasing authority as underworld kingpin = thematic fusion in him becoming the "father figure" to the remaining Mandalorians.)



For all this to work, you'd have to re-arrange quite a few plot points, of course. Such a series would have to start with Boba staggering out of the desert and confronting Cobb Vanth about his armour. (I think we'd first see Cobb, in the armour, before armour-less Boba is subsequently introduced.) As we'll later learn, this all happens shortly after the Tuskens have been slaughtered. Boba knows that Jawas stole and sold his armour, but living with the Tuskens, he didn't care. Now, he's out for revenge.

This whole set-up means it makes a lot of sense that he can communicate with the Tuskens easily. The tribe he allies with was friendly with the tribe Boba joined. He brokers peace between the Tuskens and Mos Pelgo, and together they defeat the Krait dragon. But Boba is visibly weakened at this point.

He gets his armour back. Vanth asks him to stay on, join him in peace-keeping duties. Boba suggests that he means to bring peace to all Tatooine. Vanth realises that Fett means that he's going to take on the Pykes. Vanth thinks this is crazy: the Pykes have basically taken over the whole planet, allying with figures like Bib Fortuna.

Boba admits that he isn't ready for that kind of a fight yet, but that he'll come back stronger than he is now.

After that, he seeks out Greef Karga, who is an old associate. Karga gives him access to a safe bacta tank in between assignments. This gives him easy access to the services of the notorious Boba Fett, while Boba gets to keep his remaining weakness (after the Sarlacc ordeal) a secret. Boba Fett returns to bounty hunting. Much as Season 1 Din, he gets hired to track down Grogu.

We get the flashbacks to Boba's "Tusken years" during his bacta tank sessions during season 1. Maybe Grogu can be compared and contrasted with a Tusken kid that Boba couldn't save from the massacre.

Cara Dune would be far more distrusting Fett initially, because he worked for the Empire. The Imperials would be more willing to work with him, for the exact same reason.

The traditionalist Mando cult would be interested in having Boba Fett join them, particularly because he never removes his helmet. This initially makes them think he could be just like them. He disabuses them of the notion, saying he keeps the helmet on because it's a symbol. It makes him more feared and respected, when the helmet is the only 'face' people know. Most of the ultra-trad Mandos get angy at this, but the Armourer can then just point out that his reason is, in fact, the exact same reason why this tradition was created in the first place. "You may well be one of us without yet knowing it, Boba Fett."

(And conversely, Bo Katan can later jeer at him about what she thinks his true motives are: "You just wear the helmet to hide the fact that you share a face with millions of identical clones who died for nothing in a pointless war.")

The introduction of Fennec would have to be a bit different, since she'd be a clear antagonist first, but the Fett would save her life anyway, and convince her to join him. His goal, above all, is to form a group of hard-core allies who can help him fight the Pykes, whom he hates.

Season 1 ends with the big confrontation, where Boba first convinces the ultra-trad Mandos to help him, because even if he is not like them, he is at war against the Empire that killed their world. And ultimately, he even gets Cara Dune to join him, by removing his helmet and asking her to help him save the innocent child from the hands of the Imperials.

We still get the reveal of Moff Gideon having the Darksaber, but I wouldn't just get rid of Werner Herzog's character quite so quickly. I'd instead double down on the notion of there being a group of Imperials who are really "getting the back back together". (On that note, Titus Welliver's character would get a more prominent role, too.)


Season 2 could be much as we know it. Differences would be that Boba Fett knows what Jedi are, and who Luke Skywalker and Ahsoka Tano are, too. But the general trajectory would be the same. The final conclusion would see Boba taking the Darksaber, and then meeting Luke. Presumably while holding the Darksaber. For a moment, it look like they'll fight... but then they both put their weapons down. And they really talk about Grogu's future. None of that 'no attachments' bullshit. Luke agrees to train Grogu, but Boba is his Space Dad, and Grogu will still regularly be going on journeys with Boba. (But Boba deliberately doesn't want the kid there for his war against the Pykes.)

Boba then returns to Tatooine, and together with Fennec Shand and Cobb Vanth, kills Bib Fortuna and takes over.


Then we get the equivalent of Season 1 of The Book of Boba Fett, now with 100% fewer flashbacks. That ought to speed up the pace, while giving us more time for Boba to put his new anti-Pyke coalition in place. We start with the Mando-on-Ringworld episode, but now starring Fett. He tries to get the ultra-trad Mandos to join him. They refuse. Vizsla challenges him, and is beaten. The Armourer then says that Fett may be truly worthy, and gives some vague hints about some trial Fett would have to complete. If he does, then that + his ownership of the Darksaber would cause their faction to follow him. (That's all set-up for next season.)

He goes back to Tatooine again, somewhat irritated that he couldn't get these potential allies on board. At this point, the Hutts show up and offer him support if he'll swear allegiance to them. Then they'll give him an army, and he'll rule Tatooine on their behalf. He refuses, but they give him the Rancor anyway, and recommend Krrsantan's services to him.

This season otherwise follows the same trajectory, with Boba forming his small army consisting of Fennec, Cobb, Krrsantan, Greef, Cara (because we don't do cancel culture) and his Gamorrean guards. He also brings in Cobb's townsfolk, and the tribe of Tuskens now allied to them.

Final battle ensues against the Pykes, who ultimately seem to win due to having heavy air support-- but who are then beaten when Bo Katan and her buddies show up on that Imperial ship they took from Moff Gideon (and the smaller one they stole earlier, too, I guess).

At the very end, we see the remaining Pykes making a deal with Werner Herzog's character, basically forming the Pyke/Imperial anti-Fett alliance. So there we have the next season.


...which then starts with Moff Gideon being broken out of jail just before he's set to be sentenced. He's obviously eager for revenge, and he still has a few clandestine special weaons projects going on.

Meanwhile, Boba has taken Grogu on a journey to complete that trial the ultra-trad Mandos suggested, so he can get them ob board, too. Because he's not stupid, and he knows his enemies have ganged up and are preparing for a re-match.



This all got a bit long. But, yeah, obviously I think it'd be a great idea to make a series like that instead of what we actually got.
 
Too much focus on Din for 2 whole episodes IMO, I sure hope that the Mandalorian pays BoBF back for that time.
CGI Luke looked only a bit like stock footage and computer graphics, but he sounded kinda off, as if Hamill was hitting the bong or something.
Good cliffhanger, and stuff is finally starting to pick up pace, which is also good.
I am really, really sad the alibone/pale Twi'Lek bought it, I was hoping for a lesbian chick flickdiverse and inclusive stronk female character spinoff focusing on her and Fennec.
 
Star Wars fans The bulk of you are your own worst enemy. If you had bothered to watch the final season of the Clone Wars, The Bad Batch, Star Wars Rebels, Season 2 of the Mandalorian and payed close attention to each and every episode of the Book of Boba Fett. You would see what John and Dave are doing. You are not dumb people. Take your emotions out of it and use some good old Vulcan Logic and the overall plan will be plain as day to you. I already figured it out . Time to see if you guys can.
 
Star Wars fans The bulk of you are your own worst enemy. If you had bothered to watch the final season of the Clone Wars, The Bad Batch, Star Wars Rebels, Season 2 of the Mandalorian and payed close attention to each and every episode of the Book of Boba Fett. You would see what John and Dave are doing. You are not dumb people. Take your emotions out of it and use some good old Vulcan Logic and the overall plan will be plain as day to you. I already figured it out . Time to see if you guys can.


This is a copypasta.
 
Star Wars fans The bulk of you are your own worst enemy. If you had bothered to watch the final season of the Clone Wars, The Bad Batch, Star Wars Rebels, Season 2 of the Mandalorian and payed close attention to each and every episode of the Book of Boba Fett. You would see what John and Dave are doing. You are not dumb people. Take your emotions out of it and use some good old Vulcan Logic and the overall plan will be plain as day to you. I already figured it out . Time to see if you guys can.
I commend your skill at imitating the very smuggest of Dunning-Kruger afflicted jerks.
 
This is a copypasta.
I commend your skill at imitating the very smuggest of Dunning-Kruger afflicted jerks.
No copy pasta or smugness about any of this. If you think long and hard on the previous series I mentioned and look at every clue that is in the Book of Boba Fett. It is pretty damn obvious what John and Dave are doing. And Boba, Din, Luke and Grogu are all gonna be a huge part of what happens in future events not just this series.
 
No copy pasta or smugness about any of this. If you think long and hard on the previous series I mentioned and look at every clue that is in the Book of Boba Fett. It is pretty damn obvious what John and Dave are doing. And Boba, Din, Luke and Grogu are all gonna be a huge part of what happens in future events not just this series.


I know the theory you are getting at. I'm not holding my breath till it's implied with absolute certainty.
 

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