sillygoose
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The DNR and LNR which didn't even exist before Maidan caused the coup and installed their own puppet in Kiev?
Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)
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Nah, he was trying to work with the Medvedyev to try and get Putin out, not understanding how Russia operated behind the scenes.
Why would you think it is a German plot? This is all about cutting the Nordstream pipelines to keep Germany from getting out of the US's pocket. Same with Syria. Follow the pipelines.
The Crisis in Ukraine is not about Ukraine. It's about Germany
“The primordial interest of the United States, over which for centuries we have fought wars-- the First, the Second and Cold Wars-- has been the relationship between Germany and Russia, because united there, they’re the only force that could threaten us. And to make sure that that doesn’t...www.unz.com
If Germany started working with Russia and could break away from US control the US system collapses. As it was the Germans were already removing their gold from the US:
Germany Gets Its Gold Back From The Fed And It's A Big Deal
Kitco News talks with some of the most influential gold market analysts, economists, investors and mining CEOS to get their take on the industry and financial markets and the global economywww.kitco.com
No, the US is broke and desperately trying to shore up the dollar as the global reserve currency because that is the only thing keeping the US economy from cratering. Turns out outsourcing your industrial base is really stupid.
I'm not sure what your fantasies are, but what you wrote has nothing to do with reality.
I thought that the current arrangement with the US has been working rather well for Deutschland Uber Alles, no? They've reunified, became the EU's largest economy, got the EU to expand significantly eastward, and remain under the US's NATO protection.
TBF, post-Maidan Ukraine held elections pretty quickly--specifically in May 2014:
Anyway:
Because Ukraine wants to join the West?
BTW, worth reading:
Putin’s Bogus Blame-NATO Excuse - The Bulwark
The foolishness of accusing the West of practically forcing Russia to invade Ukraine.
www.thebulwark.com
Carrot of Truth
War is Peace
If Russia does end up winning this conflict there won't be a insurgency because all the fighting age males in Ukraine will be dead.
What came after Maidan was better than what came before Maidan:
Ukraine politicians accused of vote rigging
Allies of President Yanukovich filmed using absent opposition members’ votes to push through protester amnesty law.
Carrot of Truth
War is Peace
Grrrl power will still exist, though!
Because that has totally won a conflict ever.
sillygoose
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Not really relevant to the point I was making.
The EU was, the current arrangement with the US, having to buy their dollars to have a chance at participating in world trade, was not. Becoming the EU's largest economy was achieved well before reunification:
NATO really doesn't do anything to help Europe since the end of the cold war and if anything has prevented Europe from really uniting with Russia economically and supercharging, since they'd really have a major source of raw materials available and it would fully neutralize any Russian military threat. If that happened though then the US would be a third tier power, as Europe would be #1 economically, China eventually #2, and the US with its hollowed out core an increasingly distant third. If not for the USD as the global reserve currency we'd be Brazil at best.
West Ukraine did, Yanokovich voters in the East and South did not. Of course if not for the whole NATO/Russia divide forced by the US it would be a moot issue. Plus the Russian invasion had to do with the Ukrainians looking to invade the Donbass and cleanse it violently of Russia supporters.Because Ukraine wants to join the West?
BTW, worth reading:
Putin’s Bogus Blame-NATO Excuse - The Bulwark
The foolishness of accusing the West of practically forcing Russia to invade Ukraine.
Given it's now been proven that Russia is run by an expansionist dictator.
The idea that NATO didn't really do anything to help Europe since the end of the cold war is laughable. It's very obviously been the deterrent that has kept Russia from making a run on Europe.
Coup which wouldn't have happened if Russia didn't treat Ukraine like a vassal state not allowed to choose its own foreign policy.
Treat your allies like dirt, suffer easy opportunity for hostile change of guard taken by competition, lose allies. Very important lesson for Russia right there, one it was trying and failing to learn since centuries.
We all know that Maidan merely got western support, the sentiment behind it was brewing up since years and we can point out earlier events that contributed.
It is a ridiculous presumption that any revolution against a genuinely shitty government is inherently "western puppet coup" just because the west opportunistically supported that change, for obvious reasons.
Because Ukraine doesn't want to be "left alone" and for a damn good reason. Being "left alone" means staying poor while Russia waits for a good opportunity to bring it back into the fold by hook or by crook. It is an untenable position, why would Ukraine want to be in it.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Bleh. Saw some soldier doing an ISIS style execution with a severed head whose mouth is stuffed with a flag someone speculated is DPR.
Worth reading this as well:
The not-very-convincing victory of Mr. Yanukovych
By means fair and foul, the ruling Party of the Regions came out top in Ukraine’s recent parliamentary election. President Yanukovych is far from home and dry, however: to control parliament he needs a majority, and the necessary concessions to other parties will certainly cost him dear, says...
www.opendemocracy.net
Did Russia ever actually want to unite with Europe economically?
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
The Military Situation In The Ukraine
Part One: The Road To War For years, from Mali to Afghanistan, I have worked for peace and risked my life for it. It is therefore not a question of justifying war, but of understanding what led us to it. I notice that the "experts" who take turns on television analyze the situation on the
www.thepostil.com
The Military Situation in the Ukraine—An Update
The Operational Situation As of March 25, 2022, our analysis of the situation confirms the observations and conclusions made in mid-March. The offensive launched on February 24 is articulated in two lines of effort, in accordance with Russian operational doctrine: 1) A main effort directed toward th
www.thepostil.com
Bassoe
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Well yes, that's what happens when the Ukrainian establishment forcibly enslaves them to make them officially legally soldiers regardless of their views on the matter, the Russian establishment attempts to kill all "soldiers" and the European establishments don't treat this as targeted genocide and expedite their refugee status as a group.
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Megadeath
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Your conspiracy theorising is vague and confusing.
Agent23
Ни шагу назад!
Yeah lots will be laying low or running away to the west or deserted to Russia.
Lots of people I knew working in IT that were from Ukraine ran away to Poland the Baltic countries, Romania and so forth.
People should stop forgetting that Ukraine is Eastern European, it is very corrupt and trust in government is minimal, it is far from the imaginary land of patriotism and democracy that the Western MSM and twatter describe.
Also, bribing borderguards is a thing.
Not that I am opposed to western countries being more active in helping Ukraine round up deserters and shipping them back in.
Agent23
Ни шагу назад!
Yeah, those weapons we are sending to Ukraine, um, we have no idea where they are ending up.Nothing to see here, move along.
The United States Has No Idea Where Its Weapons Wind Up in Ukraine
The United States Has No Idea Where Its Weapons Wind Up in Ukraine
sillygoose
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Going by the title not going to tell me much I didn't already know, but I'll give it a look. Without a doubt Russia was interfering as well, but it is their backyard, not the US's. See how the US reacted to Russia meddling in Latin America...well really any European after the Monroe Doctrine.Worth reading this as well:
The not-very-convincing victory of Mr. Yanukovych
By means fair and foul, the ruling Party of the Regions came out top in Ukraine’s recent parliamentary election. President Yanukovych is far from home and dry, however: to control parliament he needs a majority, and the necessary concessions to other parties will certainly cost him dear, says...
Not in the EU, but it wanted much close economic ties and cooperation. Same thing with joining NATO if their strategic interests were respected.