Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

I find it interesting how Germans never make up their minds between deciding whether or not they want to be Russia's BFF or Ostkriegers (eastern warriors):

-Prussia/Germany and Russia had close ties during much of the 19th century, but then came the Franco-Russian alliance, WWI, and Germany sending Lenin to Russia and forcing Bolshevism on that country
-Germany and Russia had good ties during the Rapallo era, then Hitler came along, then there was the M-R Pact, and then there was Operation Barbarossa, which caused millions of German deaths and tens of millions of Soviet deaths
-Germany and Russia had good ties during the post-Cold War era, but then Russia blew it by invading Ukraine, compelling Germany to support Ukrainian EU membership and thus once again become Ostkriegers

German policy has been that whenever Russia is hostile, Germany moves towards the east. This has been true in 1918, in 1941, and again in 2022.
 
WolfBear said:
I find it interesting how Germans never make up their minds between deciding whether or not they want to be Russia's BFF or Ostkriegers (eastern warriors):

-Prussia/Germany and Russia had close ties during much of the 19th century, but then came the Franco-Russian alliance, WWI, and Germany sending Lenin to Russia and forcing Bolshevism on that country
-Germany and Russia had good ties during the Rapallo era, then Hitler came along, then there was the M-R Pact, and then there was Operation Barbarossa, which caused millions of German deaths and tens of millions of Soviet deaths
-Germany and Russia had good ties during the post-Cold War era, but then Russia blew it by invading Ukraine, compelling Germany to support Ukrainian EU membership and thus once again become Ostkriegers

German policy has been that whenever Russia is hostile, Germany moves towards the east. This has been true in 1918, in 1941, and again in 2022.
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Its never been about being Russia's BFF its always been about dominating them and turning them into living space weather that happens through economic means or military.
 
WolfBear said:
Nord Stream 2 was done so that Germany could dominate Russia?
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Well there is a reason Germany has never succeeded at dominating Russia didn't say they were smart after all.

EDIT: To elaborate I think Germany was trying to draw Russia into the EU so they could economically influence them in the long term.
 
Carrot of Truth said:
Well there is a reason Germany has never succeeded at dominating Russia didn't say they were smart after all.

EDIT: To elaborate I think Germany was trying to draw Russia into the EU so they could economically influence them in the long term.
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That ship has already sailed since 2014, if not even earlier than that.

planefag said:
ARE YA WINNIN VLAD?
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The inside joke is that Putin is a secret Western agent whom the West entrusted to take over Russia and turn it into a tin-pot regime from a military perspective.
 
WolfBear said:
This could also mean direct NATO military intervention into Ukraine since allowing the use of tactical nukes to go unpunished would create an extremely bad precedent.
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Yup, that is a possibility. However, the political consequences would be far reaching, well beyond this one conflict, as it would be the first use of tactical nuclear weapons, and first use of nuclear weapons in support of a war of territorial expansion. There would be precedents set afterwards, and the precedents many countries want to set aren't ones Russia will like.
In particular Iran, China, India, Pakistan, North Korea and Israel would be watching the US and EU reactions with extreme personal interest.
The EU and US military leadership understand this, and will try to lobby for reactions in line with what impression they want the first row audience to take out of this.
Going back to business as usual after the war would no longer be unlikely and slow, it would be practically impossible.
 
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Buba said:
In the 1970s Netherlander football fans chanted "we want our bicycles back!" at games between the Oranje and the German national XI ...
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It'd be a fascinating story to tell. The POV of some brave Russian Liberator when the entire front collapsed and your forced to Liberate a bicycle and bike your way back to Russia when your commanders flee in the only vehicles at the onset of the offensive. The entire time your evading Helicopters shooting deserters, avoiding National Guard/Rosgvardia convoys blundering into the Frontlines, ungrateful Ukrainian Little Brother Slavs who don't appreciate your sacrifices and most terrifying of all the British trained, NATO equipped UkroNazi Banderite Invasion Force led by Boris Johnson himself.
 
Tiamat said:
Curiously, or ironically enough, there was meant to be in September Russian referendums on Kherson, Luhansk, Donetsk and Zaporizhzhia joining Russia.

Guess that's been delayed.
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So what your saying is the UkroNazis interfered in the democratic process with POLITICAL VIOLENCE?

September 11th will be remembered in World History as Ukraine's January 6th.
 


Really tragic seeing young men like this in such a condition. Sailor in the Baltic Fleet trained as a Tanker for a week and earns second degree burns across much of his body and is now a POW. Hope he gets treatment for his injuries.

Just a perspective of the so many maimed and killed now on both sides.
 
Husky_Khan said:
Sailor in the Baltic Fleet trained as a Tanker
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Are sailors being drawn to tanks? Holy shit, what a mess.
At the same time below in the answers it is explained that it was taken from.... Navy ammunition depot.
Yes, a fucking logistics sailor was put into a tank.
In a situation where they need logisticians.
Is this supposed to be the world's second army?
The best part is that it wasn't a Russian but a Tatar, and where he was found there were plenty of corpses from his unit.
 
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