You are siding with psychotic mass murderers and you ask this question? Good to know I was right. You are either insane or affecting insanity for the sake of contrariness. Amigo if we were to kill people for being born with a difference in brain chemistry, you'd be on that list ahead of gays.
Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel
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willdelve4beer
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Re: the Hamas killing homosexuals discussion:
This boggles me (many things that people say and do, have that effect, in all fairness). Why would you spend the time and energy to go out of your way to kill some stranger who is neither a threat you and yours, nor an obstacle to providing for you and yours, just on the say-so of some random foreign geezer? What benefit is there for you?
I mean, sure, there is some miniscule increase in the portion of the current stock of material wealth and resources now freed up by their death, but:
A. the odds that those will accrue to you, and not the random geezer leading you around by the nose are, well, risible.
B. any goods or services that the now-corpse would have generated had they lived will, obviously, no longer be available.
This is killing the sheep instead of shearing it. I'm not telling you to like sheep, live with the sheep, be the sheep, or whatever it is that every English speaking country seems to accuse their neighbors of doing with sheep (raises soooo many questions). I'm asking you - what is the point of killing the sheep?
Even the world's favorite hen-pecked pederast didn't kill the sheep - he taxed them. Here's a hint, corpses might vote if they're in Chicago, but even in Chi-town, they don't pay taxes.
What is the upside for you, as the putative killer, here? That is the part that I don't get.
In warfare there are pretty clear upsides - I kill them, they will no longer be able to kill or harm me or mine. Simple, logical, clear and immediate benefit. Even in violent robbery there is a clear upside - I kill them, I loot their stuff. Simple, logical, clear and immediate benefit. Whether it outweighs the risks and costs is a separate discussion, but at least a measurable benefit to the killer exists.
Killing someone for their appearance, accent, or romantic inclinations (as long as they aren't forcing themselves on you or yours) just doesn't have any measurable benefit.
Even the Nazi's at least claimed that slaughtering untermenschen would give them (allegedly) desperately needed living space. This is just killing for the sake of killing.
It really does make clear that Hamas et al are nothing more than a death cult. I get the human fascination with death. The eagerness to experience it first hand seems irrational, at best.
At least Iran is getting something out of this, from their perspective - they're shoring up their domestic position, and weakening opposition to their intended rise as regional hegemon (mind you, the Turks are a bigger obstacle to that goal than the Israelis, but I never accused the hypocrites in Tehran of being strategic geniuses). Hamas gets nothing but the (possibly sexual? there are a lot of repressed young men involved, hence the obsession with virgins, or is it raisins?) "joy" of killing, and now of being killed in turn.
Cost / benefit wise, it just doesn't scan.
This boggles me (many things that people say and do, have that effect, in all fairness). Why would you spend the time and energy to go out of your way to kill some stranger who is neither a threat you and yours, nor an obstacle to providing for you and yours, just on the say-so of some random foreign geezer? What benefit is there for you?
I mean, sure, there is some miniscule increase in the portion of the current stock of material wealth and resources now freed up by their death, but:
A. the odds that those will accrue to you, and not the random geezer leading you around by the nose are, well, risible.
B. any goods or services that the now-corpse would have generated had they lived will, obviously, no longer be available.
This is killing the sheep instead of shearing it. I'm not telling you to like sheep, live with the sheep, be the sheep, or whatever it is that every English speaking country seems to accuse their neighbors of doing with sheep (raises soooo many questions). I'm asking you - what is the point of killing the sheep?
Even the world's favorite hen-pecked pederast didn't kill the sheep - he taxed them. Here's a hint, corpses might vote if they're in Chicago, but even in Chi-town, they don't pay taxes.
What is the upside for you, as the putative killer, here? That is the part that I don't get.
In warfare there are pretty clear upsides - I kill them, they will no longer be able to kill or harm me or mine. Simple, logical, clear and immediate benefit. Even in violent robbery there is a clear upside - I kill them, I loot their stuff. Simple, logical, clear and immediate benefit. Whether it outweighs the risks and costs is a separate discussion, but at least a measurable benefit to the killer exists.
Killing someone for their appearance, accent, or romantic inclinations (as long as they aren't forcing themselves on you or yours) just doesn't have any measurable benefit.
Even the Nazi's at least claimed that slaughtering untermenschen would give them (allegedly) desperately needed living space. This is just killing for the sake of killing.
It really does make clear that Hamas et al are nothing more than a death cult. I get the human fascination with death. The eagerness to experience it first hand seems irrational, at best.
At least Iran is getting something out of this, from their perspective - they're shoring up their domestic position, and weakening opposition to their intended rise as regional hegemon (mind you, the Turks are a bigger obstacle to that goal than the Israelis, but I never accused the hypocrites in Tehran of being strategic geniuses). Hamas gets nothing but the (possibly sexual? there are a lot of repressed young men involved, hence the obsession with virgins, or is it raisins?) "joy" of killing, and now of being killed in turn.
Cost / benefit wise, it just doesn't scan.
KilroywasNOTHere
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"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[c] 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
kind of hard for these people to have a chance to repent and be washed in the blood of Christ when you plug your ears and pretend they don't exist, or when you do acknowledge their existence you're going to throw them off buildings or lock them in a dungeon. As far as Palestine goes even if you remove that aspect there is also the fact that they are murdering the very people trying to support them.
Look I don't know what the west and the Jews did to you personally to put you at such animosity with them, but knock it off. You're not some holy warrior you're not some crusader and I SERIOUSLY doubt God is on your side (In fact I doubt he's on anyone's side here. he's probably looking down on all of us shaking his head and going "What foolishness.")
and if you yourself and those you agree with are truly the epitome of "true conservatism" then I renounce it, you guys are just socialists meant to benefit to a different set of people. I shall yet again quote CS Lewis
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You're pretending that the decision is based on logic you'll understand.
It makes perfect sense to a religious dogmatic that doesn't want that 'contaminating' the rest of the faithful.
Zyobot
Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
I know Godwin's Law has become cliché, but surely, I'm not the only one imagining Hitler munching popcorn in Hell.
But yeah; contrary to their best interests, Hamas simps seem dead set on pissing away their good will in their new host countries.
Once the natives have finally had enough... well, just look at how viciously Hindutva nationalists in India retaliate whenever the Muslim population acts out, and that's basically the long and short of it. Heck, I don't think I'll be terribly surprised, if Hindu and Christian communities start to bond over their shared hatred of Muslim agitators in the near future.
KilroywasNOTHere
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"My tribe are the only true people on earth (Ie: God's chosen/true creations) and the rest of the world are either animals or abominations and must be exterminated to free up real-estate for us real people. "
Yeah, by that logic it makes sense just ignore the fact that it raises WAY more questions about the god than it answers.
KilroywasNOTHere
"BEEP!"
I know Godwin's Law has become cliché, but surely, I'm not the only one imagining Hitler munching popcorn in Hell.
But yeah; contrary to their best interests, Hamas simps seem dead set on pissing away their good will in their new host countries.
Once the natives have finally had enough... well, just look at how viciously Hindutva nationalists in India retaliate whenever the Muslim population acts out, and that's basically the long and short of it. Heck, I don't think I'll be terribly surprised, if Hindu and Christian communities start to bond over their shared hatred of Muslim agitators in the near future.
and when the sympathizers flee to these Muslim countries in support/solidarity they will be welcomed by being taken hostage and having their deaths filmed live. (As we have seen with Hamas and the "Palestinians" I don't understand ANY foreigner supporting fundamentalist Islamic nations at this point regardless of their views of the Jews or the West.
They already do in the Philipines. Along with the majority of the Muslim population. Of the 3 million Muslim 60,000 are the ones causing trouble. During Marawi the major Islamic tribes sent warriors against the Daesh fighters. None of the local Muslim want that Wahabi bullshit taking hold.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
In fairness, one hundred million dollars is not even a droplet of piss as far as the United States is concerned.
Change your Senators and Congressmen then. Ban lobbying. They divert funds to their pork barrel projects so they can line their own pockets. 100 million is so small it isn't even pocket change to your government. Your government TV advertising costs more a month.
Your senators have shares and outright positions in your corporations. They get fat bonuses for swaying government decisions to employ those corporations. On the sly of course. To "Campaign Funds" or "Trusts" that those senators just happen to be authorized users of.
Terthna
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Unfortunately, the west refuses to accept that fact; and has made it very clear that they do not care what the Palestinians do, but will regard
When one side practice mass murder, Eugenics, child rape with arranged marriages to preteens, actual slavery under various euphemisms. . . There most definitely is a good side. Especially when that other side can't keep their fucking promises and have succeeded in making themselves Pariahs even in Islamic countries.
Terthna
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Everyone thinks they deserve to rule the world; what makes Israel so special?
Because we whites get damned for what happened to the American Indians- rightfully so- but it's okay to take Palestinian land?
Why should we help anyone with plans to do so?
But the real power, which makes Israel look like a joke, is China. They now control more than a dozen major ports in the entire world and can shut down world trade tomorrow. They run parts of Africa and have roped these parts off, they do NOT play games. They have vast military and financial power, vast resources, and can marshal an army of many millions. They have the best military technology. That is what should concern people.
Long ago Napoleon warned what would happen if China should ever awaken. He was right.
Why should we help anyone with plans to do so?
But the real power, which makes Israel look like a joke, is China. They now control more than a dozen major ports in the entire world and can shut down world trade tomorrow. They run parts of Africa and have roped these parts off, they do NOT play games. They have vast military and financial power, vast resources, and can marshal an army of many millions. They have the best military technology. That is what should concern people.
Long ago Napoleon warned what would happen if China should ever awaken. He was right.
DarthOne
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China. Has the ‘best military technology’.
Are you joking?
I mean there plenty of other issues people can take but.
China having the most advanced military technology is…wrong. To put it mildly.