Israel wants the entire sector. And yes, the Soviets were "backing" Iran, anyone who Israel did not like. That was the nature of the times, and I find it curious at how casually many Americans ignore a murderous attack on an American ship.
Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel
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Israel wants the entire sector. And yes, the Soviets were "backing" Iran, anyone who Israel did not like. That was the nature of the times, and I find it curious at how casually many Americans ignore a murderous attack on an American ship.
TheRejectionist
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Israel doesn't need my slander when its victims more than Hamas offensive for the last 30 years. True, Israel doesn't need human shields when they have superior firepower freely granted by US taxpayers thanks to Israeli and lobbyists of the Evangelical Church and of the Jewish faith who can torch entire neighborhoods, with tons of civilian collateral, regardless if they warn them or not. Said "slander" it is all in your head and anyone mildly amused by Israel, which doesn't need my "supposed" Israel "slander" because its homegrown in the land of milk and honey by the Israeli state itself : they have shown themselves to be their own enemies; they had grown decadent, excessively self-confident and got sick with "victory disease". The best part? Their response so far has only received a positive response from the governments of the West and not its people, who have grown tired of their money being spent overseas and for a people most of them never met or will never meet, who has openly despised us just like entities like Hamas BUT has enough good PR and your support. Israel with their response not only has lost much sympathy but also likely has thrown possibility of peace down in the toilet.
And that's bad how exactly? If the elites wants something (be it the vaxx or, mass migration us, owning nothing and be "happy") it is ethically and morally our right to oppose them if we choose to do so. This is just another thing they want us to do. Not to mention they think arrogantly to speak for all of us (which they don't) without either a vote or even a discussion. So I think it is only fair I have a right to show my verbal displeasure towards anything the elites. I am very glad now both progressives and liberals have shown themselves to not only oppose their masters in a rare case of self-own by their puppeters, but I am also glad seeing that blasphemous intelligentsia start to dissipate because they supported the side their masters didn't want to.
So it is two pigeons with one stone and I am having a good time seeing eat each other.
No that is you and the other warhounds who well never see the actual war but will send your boys gladly to die for Israelis' sake for the benefit of your elites and lobbyists.
I am being consistent. You guys are ass-kissing the people who for two years wanted us poisoned or outcasted, making our lives miserable or loved ones miserable.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
likely this.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
Why yours is any better that you support a state that is not yours and clearly benefits from the elites through their lobbies?
I largely agree with you but the reality is that simply isn't going to happen it is what it is
I just drank some Colombian coffee today and ignored the Crack Cocaine Epidemic perpetrated by Columbian Drug Cartels backed by vicious paramilitaries and corrupt government officials back in the 80's...
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I hope all of the Latinx X each other out!!! *Starts Masturbating*
Some of us happen to have friends and people we've know who are Jewish and who have been in the IDF, and American citizens are still hostages/targets for Hamas and friends as infidels, regardless of Israel's actions.
Some fools still think the US can actually stick it's head in the sand on foreign affairs, despite that being farcical at this point.
Just because you want the US to ignore world affairs, does not mean world affairs will ignore us.
I just want to point out how you made a factually incorrect statement, were called out on it, then made up another factually incorrect statement in response to your previous factually incorrect statement. Then you double posted so you could throw up a masturbatory one liner to deflect from it for some more outrage/like farming.
I thought I was good at shitposting, but your posting behavior is exceptionally shite. I applaud you. You are truly a paraglider among drones.
If it wasn't for the Elites, Israel would be better off. Let's be clear, the international order is one of the only reasons that Palestinians haven't forcibly been moved off of Gaza. Israel has survived it's wars mostly by itself as well.
Quite simply, the international order doesn't like Israel. Like there are legitimate complaints about Israel. That the elites favor it simply isn't true.
And I’m sorry for them, but it’s not our nation’s job to protect the citizens of every nation out there.
As for American citizens getting kidnapped, well some sort of action should take place. But on the other hand, at some point people have to be responsible for their own safety when they are stupid enough to willingly go into part of the world that hates their guts.
And how much of that is farcical because the USA sticks it’s head in everyone else’s business for the sake of the political class and their friends to make money? Or do you really think the USA does what it does for the sake of the goodness of its heart or for strategic resources?
There’s a difference between ‘ignoring world affairs’ and ‘making world affairs it’s problem at every opportunity’. Especially for a nation that uses it as a piggy bank and sells its secrets to the Chinese. I’d sooner see the billions we’ve sent overseas spent on fortifying our own borders.
Give me a Penny and I’ll care a cent.
So....Americans should never leave and be forced to stay in the US because there is a chance they get in danger from bad actors.
Just off the first aspect about Americans should go places where people hate them.
No matter where you go, there is always someone.
Ans we should take appropriate action of someone messes eith our citizens.
Kill them we level a city.
Hostage them we free them forcibly
For strategic alliances, locations, deals and market effects.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with USA "sticking its head in everyone else's business", it is superpower business, countries with far less of an excuse and means to do it attempt anyway, because having a finger in many pies (particularly the important and valuable ones) is how a country becomes a major power.
Not at every opportunity, you saying that means you are simply ignorant of all the opportunities that do not arrive in the media cycle, which makes you unqualified to make such comments.
Heard bout Mali, Ethiopian civil war and Myanmar? If USA was truly making every problem its own, there would be US interventions there.
There is no mutually exclusive relationship between these two. Just because the US political system is retarded in some aspects in no way means it should become retarded in foreign policy, and specifically in the way isolationist brand of it demands at that, as if that would in any way inherently help with the other issues. No, it would just make the system more retarded on average.
And we have no need with the flippant shit like pretending that the lack of serious border enforcement has absolutely anything more than jack shit to do at all with money.
It's a matter of political will to do it, for one reason or another, and/or to do things necessary for establishing it, different combinations thereof depending on which part of which party you ask.
If they really wanted to, they would have easily found the money for it.
But the issue is that the vast majority of them don't want to, and everyone who claims it's otherwise is either a complete moron or lying to your face. Go troll democrats with this shit, but there's no use wave this deception in front of people who know better as if it was a valid argument for anything.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
Now, what is your reasoning saying that? You do know I take into consideration your opinion, so I am curious about it. I have many reasons to believe or at least give credit to favoritism towards Israel considering there are many examples like banning any type of Palestinian support or protest in places like Germany and France? Not to mention that there are government calls for the biggest power on Earth to intervene on its side?
We can argue, by playing devil's advocate(if I recall the correct usage of the expression), that the establishment doesn't want an Israel like it was pre-(this)war run Benjamin Netanyahu, an Israel that is not woke or liberal-progressive.
But is very difficult for me to believe there is not a too much easy taking of the sides by EuroAmerican governments.
As much as I detest totalitarian theocrats like Hamas, if we allow or permit favoring the Israeli what happens to Gazans, we are not better than the those who allowed the Armenian genocide by Young Turks to happen, or the Holomodor by Stalin.
I have seen the same vitriolic verbal garbage spewn against me during COVID, where if I didn't conform to the norm of lockdowns and mass control at best we would be treated like outcasts at best and at worst anything could have happened to us.
Plus they are already trying to force the banning of platforms like Rumble and others because of this, saying it is "Hamas"-related and they said the same thing about "COVID"-related subjects, trying to ban and smear different opinions. So of course to me it sounds that Israel is elite-favored not elite-disfavored and I am saying this as a former pro-Zionist.
Consider what happened in the formative event of much of current western political status quo, the WW2. What Allies were allowed to do during and after it and get away with it. This is how wars work, even with taking laws of war as practiced by those who aspire to follow them.
Consider how almost a century after WW2, there are still quite specific laws regarding political status of speech and politics similar to the NSDAP.
It would be unfair to tell Israel that it cannot do these things in Gaza. We don't call these things genocide either.
By that standard, Israel could buy up a fleet of few hundred cargo planes, convert them into bombers, and send them on carpet bombing runs over Gaza city, dropping a few kilotons of explosives each run. This is where Israel's statements of going way beyond anyone's standards in avoiding civilian deaths get their credibility. They are actively avoiding using tactics nearly this devastating, even though technically they could.
Consider how many of these elites vote in UN resolutions regarding Israel.
Hamas was ISIL in a teacup since quite a few years, current events just got it the attention to get treated accordingly. The same elites weren't exactly fans of ISIL, even though in the meantime they were importing the malcontents of Islamic world to their countries and ISIL fans with them. The fuck this has to do with COVID, i don't know, but the random choice of unrelated political conflicts for comparisons is not making any sense.
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Up until this month, Germany, France, Britain, etc, were all pro Palestine. Then their (specifically Germany's) citizen was attacked by Hamas, and Germany at least is acting like a normal country for once by going "WTF Gaza? F you!"
But the EU, the UN, and even the US gives a huge amount of aid to Israel. Something like $40B/25 years. This, as a % of Palestine's GDP, is well above what Israel gets. Without it, Palestine would be completely fucked. Israel, by contrast, would get along fine. It'd suck, but it'd do fine.
More, the international order that exists simply doesn't like land transfer wars. They've basically disappeared in comparison to the 1900s and previously. Traditionally, if Israel won a war, it would be fine shoving everyone out of Gaza. It's only the new international order that dislikes this. That was normal. Actually, likely nicer than normal, as it would only be a forced movement.
Note, I'm not saying the lack of land transfer wars is a bad thing. The elite actually have some good ideas every once in a while. But this harms Israel far more than it helps.
So all in all, Israel doesn't need the Elites to exist, and is probably hurt by the international order.
I disagree. The other way, yes. But ultimately, what happened in those genocides was specific: mass targeted murder of innocents. Israel at its worst is not looking to kill all or even many Gazans, only their army. At it's worst, they'd just move them somewhere else. In fact, we can see that the population of Gaza has doubled since 2000 or so, so it's clearly not a genocide.
This is much more similar to America's drone attacks, just all geographically concentrated: each is targeting a legit military target in a civilian place, so there will be civilian casualties. And Israel, through it's roofknocking bombs, warnings, etc, is far more humane that America was in Iraq & Afghanistan.
So what I'd say here is that Israel is acting much more morally righteous than America did.
It's opponent (Hamas), is much worse than the Taliban, as Hamas is a full on death cult, whereas the Taliban was a lot of different things.
So we can conclude there's a bad guy in the war, and about as much of a good guy in a war that one could hope for.
Look, even if the elite favor Israel, that doesn't mean Israel is wrong. The elite should not serve as a south pointing moral compass, where everything they do is bad, just the same as one shouldn't simply adopt their views.
You are right that they US elites are pushing for Israel. But many are pushing against it. First, the Elites don't view themselves as a cohesive group. Take the uniparty of republicrats. No republicrat views themselves as a republicrat or a RINO or a DINO. They think the difference between a RINO and a DINO are incredibly real, and they hate the other side. This conflict is real, its ust that what they agree on sucks.
One thing they like? War. There's a variety of reasons, but they all like it. And Israel is just an excuse to them to engage in this favorite passtime. And some people are also just genuinely outraged by Hamas' actions. Remember, Elites don't view themselves as Elites, so they can be actually pissed about stuff.
So really, I'd be more concerned about America getting involved than Israel invading Gaza. I'm against the former, for the later. Not because I like war, but because it's necessary.
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Literally who?
Terthna
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If it was a place like Iran, you might have a point; but this was Israel, and it wasn't Israelis that killed/kidnapped them. It was invading Palestinian terrorists that attacked without warning. Brushing what happened off as "they were asking for trouble simply by being there" is just blaming the victims here.
Tiamat
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I'm sorry, but that is absolute bullshit, I'm seconding @Terthna on this. You might as well be blaming a woman for being raped because she happened to be out at an odd hour of the night.
I've seen the damn pictures and detailed forensic descriptions of the bodies and what happened, there is no damn excuse.
You guys forget, finding a way to blame the West/US allies for anything bad that happens, finding ways to cast doubt on any alliance the US is part of, and finding ways to ignore what the enemies of the west do in a desire to 'whatabout' everything is all DarthOne does anymore.
He's a vatnik loving contrarian Right-Wing NPC who cares more about 'opposing the current thing' than anything else.