DarthOne
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Yeah, and the reasons for that stem heavily from modernity. And could be reversed.And for millions of young men across the globe.
Yeah, and the reasons for that stem heavily from modernity. And could be reversed.And for millions of young men across the globe.
It is extremely doable, that is literally the whole point of industrialization.It's deeper than that. Single breadwinner households is just not something doable for most of society with post-industrial economic and living standard expectations and especially not with modern welfare, social security and healthcare standards. It just can't add up, neither culturally nor financially.
Even historically it wasn't except for a small part of XX century in some places, but that's an artifact, not a norm to be expected.
Go ahead and try. Totalitarian regimes have tried and miserably failed.And could be reversed.
I agree. Although I should mention that vast majority of jobs are torture for everyone. Men are just more resilient, so they can stomach that torture to provide for their family.Okay then. I'll cut out your irreverent points too then. you have personal experiences driving your idea that every woman's greatest desire is a career. I have encountered very few career oriented women. they aren't nonexistent and should be allowed to pursue careers when they wish. they are a minority and less common than career oriented men. saying that women who aren't career oriented are just LARPing is hilarious cope that ignores most women's primary motivations in life.
empirical evidence is clear. women in the workforce are generally unhappy and unhappy women make unhappy men. simple as.
The problem is that you assume human nature fundamentally changed.Go ahead and try. Totalitarian regimes have tried and miserably failed.
I'd recommend early 20's for this. Allow people to actually mature intellectually as well as physically.step 1: married and kids at 18
Yet not one developed country in the world does it. Sounds like a bias caused by the blip of extreme US prosperity in light of getting the economic advantage of not getting ruined in world wars. But now there is competition.It is extremely doable, that is literally the whole point of industrialization.
The "small part of history" that you mentioned? that is when we had actual capitalism instead of being sucked dry by robber barons.
That is literally all it takes. Get rid of the parasites sucking us dry and we can have single breadwinner households.
These increases in productivity are heavily based on capital intensive automation.There are charts comparing productivity vs income. productivity keeps on rising. income used to rise with productivity but then halted entirely. This is because of banking trickery, inflation, and other methods used by the parasite class. Not due to industrialization making single breadwinner households impossible
By this idiotic argument, trans trending is the norm and unavoidable because every western country does it in 2024.Yet not one developed country in the world does it.
Sounds like an excuse made by a megacorp simp trying to justify corruptionSounds like a bias caused by the blip of extreme US prosperity in light of getting the economic advantage of not getting ruined in world wars. But now there is competition.
18 is already waiting for them to mature mentally.I'd recommend early 20's for this. Allow people to actually mature intellectually as well as physically.
Take your analogy and stick it.By this idiotic argument, trans trending is the norm and unavoidable because every western country does it in 2024.
Yes, my point exactly. World wars happened but they happened elsewhere and ruined elsewhere's industry, creating worldwide demand for US industrial goods, and that had obvious effect on the market value of what it supplied, and the prosperity of those who made them.We literally had the USA do it. And it lasted a while. But then the western world fell to megacorps.
Sounds like an excuse made by an idiot who understands nothing about economies and is proud of it.Sounds like an excuse made by a megacorp simp trying to justify corruption
My analogy is perfect. You are literally simping for megacorps and claiming that it is impossible to avoid the massive monopolistic / govt collusion abuses... even though we LITERALLY had many periods in history in many westernized countries where this was avoided. Under the argument that in 2024 every westernized country is ruled by megacorps.Take your analogy and stick it.
The trans thing is new, but literally every country has an economy of some kind since civilization exists.
Then why the fuck none of the non-western countries, rich or not so rich, can set up the system you want for you to point to as an example?My analogy is perfect. You are literally simping for megacorps and claiming that it is impossible to avoid the massive monopolistic / govt collusion abuses... even though we LITERALLY had many periods in history in many westernized countries where this was avoided. Under the argument that in 2024 every westernized country is ruled by megacorps.
So wishful thinking it is. Got it. Go preach this to the idealists on the left, they won't believe it because they hate capitalism, but at least you will waste their time.This is a fucking retarded argument.
Just get a genuine leader who breaks up monopolies using existing laws. kicks out the lobbyists, and purges the corrupt congressment.
That is literally all it takes to allow a middle class where a single breadwinner father can provide for his family which includes a home maker wife.
Some times were too chaotic or had insufficient communication and transportation to enable such large scale business, but you don't want that either, that moves general prosperity in the other direction.We know this because it used to be the norm. Megacorp monopolies are not something that always existed without any exception. Corrupt politicians taking bribes are not something that always existed without exception.
Those are certainly the more common things. As govt breeds corruption. but there have been various times and cases where this was not so.
Again, so which country has it different? Japan has famously low corruption, at least in our understanding. Switzerland? Maybe Sweden? Regardless of how you call it, it's something that applies to every country more or less.You even double down with "every country has an economy of some kind" as a defense of your "lel bribed politicians and monopolies are inevitable and normal"
I work from home, my wife has an office job. As far as such things go, I already am. If we succeed at having children, I'll be the primary at-home parent.You have still not answered my question about whether you'd be a house husband.
Everyone is. We are a generation of drama queens. My grandfather was more cheerful during wars and famines than we are in the most prosperous era of human history.
If women actually preferred being a housewife to being a proper citizen worker, this thread wouldn't exist. It's basically just another of our long standing copes that women couldn't possibly prefer not to be our "tradwives", almost as bad as the Left's copes about minorities supporting their crazy causes. And it's goddamned cringeworthy.
facepalm.Then why the fuck none of the non-western countries, rich or not so rich, can set up the system you want for you to point to as an example?
Speaking of commie corruption. here is an excellent video:1. communist countries. which are EVEN WORSE in terms of bribed politicians.
There are no "periods post industrialization where it was the norm", there is one, in specific region or few, and we know the rare combination of positive circumstances that made it possible, and those are impossible to replicate in a controlled way.facepalm.
You are still doubling down on this.
This is literally your entire argument.
> In 2024 monopolistic megacorps colluding with bribed politicians control everything.
> Therefore, it is impossible to have an "industrialized society" which is not ruled by monopolies colluding with bribed politicians.
> Let us conveniently ignore all the time periods post industrialization where this thing I am saying is impossible was actually the norm.
- marduk
Yeah, sure, whatever, world conspiracy, amirite?As for "why don't the non western countries do this"
Non western countries fall into 2 categories:
1. communist countries. which are EVEN WORSE in terms of bribed politicians.
2. subsidiary powers beholden to either the western world or the communist world.
Libya never had an industrial, nevermind post-industrial economy, its that fucking irrelevant to our discussion. It's a third world shithole with a gas station he owned and could generously throw income from at local population to pretend to like him.A perfect example is khaddafi.
Every major country has that. Not just USA. And it's unlimited only in the dreams of socialists like the squad, i think some actually said it. In practice, not so much, in theory it is unlimited, in practice you will crash the system if you push it too far.So other non western countries toe the line. And that means that western oligarchs, buy and own everything
You do realize that USA oligarchs can literally create dollars out of thin air?
It is called fractional reserve banking. If you are an exalted bloodline, you get to create money from thin air.
Ok, more chan level lore of how the world works and all the conspiracies, why do i care?Meanwhile actual inventors are brainwashed with "exit strategy". that is, hand over their hard built new innovation that threatens the market control to an oligarch who pays with money he created from thin air.
Actually about 20 y/o for females and 25 y/o for males.Also, the brain only finishes developing by age 40ish
Not being a housewife, LARPing as one.
Well, a good chunk of it is that automation-based productivity increases inherently reduce the people involved. However, this "should" have resulted in a much more impactful group of technical staff from that productivity going to the people contributing the capital responsible, whereas the reality is the managers of the business and shareholders owning the business using contracts to assume functionally lone ownership of said capital.This is because of banking trickery, inflation, and other methods used by the parasite class.
Not the whole body of factors, but vigorously purging the hell out of contract fuckery absorbing the capital into indefinite ownership by managers would bring back quite a bit of it. As would eradicating the regulation creep driving up the barrier to entry so middle class people can start meaningful competition to big businesses.and those are impossible to replicate in a controlled way.