Bloomberg 2020, the (Five) Hundred Million Dollar Man!



What the fuck? It's all just character assassination bullshit. Nobody advances any real solutions or programs of any kind. What are you going to do about the national debt, the crumbling infrastructure, and the cost of living spiraling out of fucking control? Hey, take a gander at this. This is the quality of discourse we used to have in American politics:



What the fuck happened? What is this fucking prolefeed drivel that we have nowadays with talking heads launching ad hominems at each other and not making a lick of goddamn sense or discussing any issues of any relevance to anyone?

 
Train Dodger said:


What the fuck? It's all just character assassination bullshit. Nobody advances any real solutions or programs of any kind. What are you going to do about the national debt, the crumbling infrastructure, and the cost of living spiraling out of fucking control? Hey, take a gander at this. This is the quality of discourse we used to have in American politics:



What the fuck happened? What is this fucking prolefeed drivel that we have nowadays with talking heads launching ad hominems at each other and not making a lick of goddamn sense or discussing any issues of any relevance to anyone?

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Trust me, if past presidents could have slaughtered their opponents like this, they would have. The only problem with Lying Bull's attack was that it wasn't aimed at Sanders, who she needed to defeat to have any chance at winning.
 
Abhorsen said:
Trust me, if past presidents could have slaughtered their opponents like this, they would have. The only problem with Lying Bull's attack was that it wasn't aimed at Sanders, who she needed to defeat to have any chance at winning.
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On a very deep level she was incredibly pissed that Bloomberg was essentially able to cheat his way into the debates because he litterally bribed the party into letting him run.
 
Bloomberg’s whole pitch seems to be-“I’m not charismatic and yeah I’m an elitist billionaire, but no one else got a chance to beat bad orange man”.

Presumably the belief Bloomberg holds and the DNC elites hold, is that Bernie simply will not do well in a general election.

Or at least-they don’t want to test the notion that Americans might just want socialism.

The left has this belief you see-that despite nearly a century of anti communist rhetoric and doctrine in the US-the younger generations who did not grow up in the Cold War, and the economic difficulties of today(such as the gig economy, and rent and the lack of opportunities for many after the recession)-socialism will finally have an appeal or at least an unsuppressed one. And that thus a left wing candidate like Sanders would win the general election.

The DNC elites are likely afraid of Sanders because he isn’t in their pay for play system, but also-because they are canny operators and don’t want to put a major election that could shape the future of the party on a left wing belief(or rather self serving hope) that now, today in the 21st century, Americans will finally embrace socialism if offered it.

Now if Bernie was the nominee and beat Trump-it would prove that suspicion folks on the left have true. Americans will embrace socialism if it is presented to them. In spite of the country’s anti communist history and culture.

But if he loses? Well then, what does that bode for the future of the party?

Bloomberg on the other hand doesn’t put such an idea to the test. If he wins or loses-it won’t shift the DNC and it’s internal balance that much. If he loses the Dems can always blame Russia/bitter Bernie bros/whatever, if he wins they can say anti Trump sentiment won out.

Sanders on the other hand-win or lose puts the very future and identity of the party on the line.

TLDR: Bloomberg basically doesn’t threaten to split the “big tent”, Sanders does.
 
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The Democrats are fundamentally more terrified of what Sanders will do the structure, future and composition of the party than whether or not he’ll beat Trump.

The Dems have a very large and fractious coalition-held together now mostly by “Orange Man Bad” and a demand for more government control and the resulting freebies and benefits-financial or otherwise.

A sanders controlled or directed party rips open that tent-and forces the democrats to actually address their identity as a party.

It’s one thing to say you are a multi racial multi ethnic, multi faith, multi class, multi gender, multi orientation party-the rainbow coalition Obama lovers ooze awws over. But what exactly does the party stand for? What is it’s program?

AOC made a good point for once when she said in any other country-Biden and her would be in different parties.

Sanders has an actual program-the Biden and Pelosi dems don’t. An actual identity beneath the gloss and paeans to the “rising coalition” means that they have to decide what they actually believe.

Are they going in full for European style social democracy? Or just regulated capitalism? Do conservatives of any stripe have a place in the party? What about the white working class? Or the suburbanites that are probably more economically conservative but socially liberal? What about all the rich donors and opportunists like Bloomberg? What if they don’t want 80% tax rates?

The party is fundamentally trying to solve the question of what does it believe, what ideology does it seek to pursue, and who amongst its wonderfully diverse coalition will be welcome and who won’t be once it’s identity crisis has been sorted out-and after all, those who aren’t welcome might jump ship to the republicans. Or found their own party.

Anti trump hatred isn’t enough. Nor is the emphasis on representation. Black, Muslim, gay, immigrant, whatever-the dems are all for diversity in that regard, but that doesn’t solve and actually accentuates the problem that the Dems have no coherent program or ideology. And to actually define one means the broad tent they have built might(actually certainly will) split apart.

The Dem elites want to prevent this at all costs.

Sanders forces them to confront the question, “who are we as a party, what do we both the leadership and voters really want, what do we stand for?” They don’t want to have confront that. Because it will definitely hurt their electoral prospects-in the near to medium term anyway.

Bloomberg kicks that can down the road-the hope is that he can beat Trump, allow the Dems to get their desired uniparty state, and then bring all the squabbling factions to heel.

Notice that Bloomberg doesn’t have much of an ideology-he celebrates liberal nostrums like global warming action and more open immigration, but his ads also glorify his competence as a businessman-and capitalism ain’t so hot with the Dem base these days. It’s all vague pragmatism, “Mike can get it done”-meaning what? Beyond beat Trump? I doubt Bloomberg himself actually knows.
 
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@Lord Invictus
Capitalism? Big Business? I don’t know about you but I think Communism/Socialism can be “flexible” with its beliefs and policies

I mean its not as if the majority read their equivalent of a bible, Karl Marx’s Communist Manifesto or even know about Marx’s rather rich life

They can still have corporations and big businesses as major powers, just say that they are all very “regulated” and “responsible” and “pay their taxes” and are gonna now be part of a “planned economy”

That’s right a “planned economy” because majority of people are too dumb and lost to fix the economy or even handle everyday decisions on infrastructure and because the government will solve all their problems

There are two “ideas” for them all

A State to be loyal to which also promises everything under the sky FOR THE GREATER GOOD

Centralizing or connecting everything artificially and forcibly and requiring things be under a specific vision and also be “watched” lest it go bad by said state
 
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