Far left funding antifa

We live in the age of hypocrisy and doublethink. When the other side has bent the rules to their advantage there is no point of tying your hands behind your back for ''muh principles''. Fair play is reciprocial.

I can't really expect or ask people to de-escalate the situation, but this isn't a fun path to go down.

If we are going to go down this path, which seems like an inevitability at this point, all I think I have the right to ask is that y'all commit your fuckery without ambiguity and document it well. It needs to be clean and clearly defense rather than aggression.
 
Wars are where principles go to die; and culture wars are no different. It's one of the many, many reasons people are against starting them; or at least, it's why they should be. Once one side starts rolling the boulder down the hill, it can no longer be stopped; all you can do is hope that it's not too steep, that you're not in the way, and that once it bleeds off all its momentum, the people who pushed it down get what's coming to them. Although spoilers; they almost never do.
 
We live in the age of hypocrisy and doublethink. When the other side has bent the rules to their advantage there is no point of tying your hands behind your back for ''muh principles''. Fair play is reciprocial.

Oh I am SO glad you feel that way.

Seriously I WANT the Democrats to screw with Trump like the Republicans did Obama. And when the next Dem comes into the presidency I would LOVE for them to just copy Trump and ignore the Republicans outright whilst doing what the base (read, a slight but distinct majority of americans) thinks is right.

Fair play is all well and good, I mean can you imagine the dems putting someone as morally flexible as Mcconel in control of the Senate and the Dem President going on about deeming most of those militia movements terrorist organisations terrorists on twitter?

The Dems ceasing to play fair would be a freaking godsend.
 
*coughs in modern republican party are you fucking serious*

Also, Nazi's are right wing.
There is almost zero overlap between what the Nazi's political positions and ideological basis was and the American Right Wing. Let's touch on the things on a point by point basis, starting with the least controversial disconnects and moving towards the ones I'm sure you'll object to.

Firstly, actual Fascist ideology is firmly grounded in placing the State as the primary good of society. The rest of society is meant to service the state, and the purpose of the state is to propagate itself.

Meanwhile the American Right Wing is firmly grounded in Classical Liberalism of the 18th and 19th century which posits that the individual (or, in some cases the family) is primary good of society, and that the primary purpose of the state is to protect the rights of the individual.

Fascist ideology is heavily invested in large business and government cooperation between large business and the state, with the large businesses serving the interests of the state as extensions of the state.

The American Right Wing rejects such arrangements, preferring the relationship between the State and Business to be neutral with minimal cooperation and minimal intervention. Further, there is a strong dislike of the coordination between large business and government in the American Right Wing, seeing such as cronyism rather than proper expressions of free market ideals.

Fascism preferences a strong central government that has tight control over the government and society.

The American right wing preferences a weak central government with considerable local or no controls over large areas of life.

Nazism strongly believed in eugenics and removing undesirable portions of society.

The modern American Right Wing strongly rejects eugenics esp. in its modern incarnation of abortion for people with genetic defects.

Nazism is a racial supremacist ideology that structures government and society to explicitly favor and disfavor certain races.

The modern American Right Wing rejects any laws that grant racial favor or disfavor and embrace the anti-racist and anti-segregation history of the Republican party.

About the only areas in common between Fascism and the American Right Wing are... respect of the military and rejection of internationalism. That is some very narrow crossover that hardly is unique to the American Right Wing.
 
There is almost zero overlap between what the Nazi's political positions and ideological basis was and the American Right Wing. Let's touch on the things on a point by point basis, starting with the least controversial disconnects and moving towards the ones I'm sure you'll object to.

Firstly, actual Fascist ideology is firmly grounded in placing the State as the primary good of society. The rest of society is meant to service the state, and the purpose of the state is to propagate itself.

Meanwhile the American Right Wing is firmly grounded in Classical Liberalism of the 18th and 19th century which posits that the individual (or, in some cases the family) is primary good of society, and that the primary purpose of the state is to protect the rights of the individual.

Fascist ideology is heavily invested in large business and government cooperation between large business and the state, with the large businesses serving the interests of the state as extensions of the state.

The American Right Wing rejects such arrangements, preferring the relationship between the State and Business to be neutral with minimal cooperation and minimal intervention. Further, there is a strong dislike of the coordination between large business and government in the American Right Wing, seeing such as cronyism rather than proper expressions of free market ideals.

Fascism preferences a strong central government that has tight control over the government and society.

The American right wing preferences a weak central government with considerable local or no controls over large areas of life.

Nazism strongly believed in eugenics and removing undesirable portions of society.

The modern American Right Wing strongly rejects eugenics esp. in its modern incarnation of abortion for people with genetic defects.

Nazism is a racial supremacist ideology that structures government and society to explicitly favor and disfavor certain races.

The modern American Right Wing rejects any laws that grant racial favor or disfavor and embrace the anti-racist and anti-segregation history of the Republican party.

About the only areas in common between Fascism and the American Right Wing are... respect of the military and rejection of internationalism. That is some very narrow crossover that hardly is unique to the American Right Wing.


Steve King says hi
 
Steve King says hi
Pointing at a single person (who was systematically condemned by both his party and by numerous American right wing publications) is in no way an actual argument. It is, in fact, a logical fallacy, specifically "guilt by association". Try again and make an actual argument as to how the modern American right wing shares ideological similarity with Nazis.
 
Steve King says hi
The House voted 416-1 to rebuke King's comments, with Illinois Representative Bobby Rush the lone "nay" vote.
RNCC said they would not help him be reelected either, and I guess there are two white supremacists in Congress right now though.

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But he's also a democrat so I guess it's evenly split, 1 white supremacist each.
 
Worse they had presidential support. (Charlottesville)
Trump gave no financial support to anybody involved in Charlottesville. Also, there was no right wing terrorism at Charlottesville. There was a lot of Antifa thugs assaulting a right wing event with the police aiding and abetting Antifa. There were two accidental police deaths there and one leftist death that resulted from self defense or (debatably) manslaughter.

Leftists (not just Antifa, but the police who were ordered to exacerbate the violence rather than reduce it) were 100% responsible for the violence in Charlottesville, including the death of Heather Heyer.
 
Leftists (not just Antifa, but the police who were ordered to exacerbate the violence rather than reduce it) were 100% responsible for the violence in Charlottesville, including the death of Heather Heyer.

That is the most scaldingly hot take I've seen in my life.

See, I'm pretty sure you can lay at least a little blame on the guy who actually committed a murder, but I suppose attacking your political opponents is a bit more fun.
 
*coughs in modern republican party are you fucking serious*
Right, tell me that old chestnut about the party flip again, I love classic standup.

Also, Nazi's are right wing.
Nazis are National Socialist, Hitler was literally taught his politics by an up-jumped commie reporter turned tyrant who insisted that the only way to ensure the continuity of a socialist state was with an autocracy.

You know, what happened in every single communist state. I guess Stalin and Mao were right wingers too.
 
Seriously I WANT the Democrats to screw with Trump like the Republicans did Obama. And when the next Dem comes into the presidency I would LOVE for them to just copy Trump and ignore the Republicans
That's practically a given, they pulled all stops to oppose him from the day one afterall. Oh, and it's cute you actually believe Democrats (and republicans for that matter) actually give a shit about their base beyond the lip service. The beatiful thing about two party system is that both parties need each other as excuse when they fuck over their base for interests of their corporate sponsors.
 
Do you even history?

Thats not how any of this worked.
Can you explain how it did? Because there absolutely was a sense of socialism in that industry was subordinated entirely to the will of the government. Nazis had both a massive, nationalized labor union and a massive welfare state that nationalized private charity and local distribution and formed unions into one large state union. They had fairly left wing economic policies based on socialism. The main difference was that private industry was tolerated so long as they followed and worked under the guidelines of the government in support of the state.
 
Can you explain how it did? Because there absolutely was a sense of socialism in that industry was subordinated entirely to the will of the government. Nazis had both a massive, nationalized labor union and a massive welfare state that nationalized private charity and local distribution and formed unions into one large state union. They had fairly left wing economic policies based on socialism. The main difference was that private industry was tolerated so long as they followed and worked under the guidelines of the government in support of the state.
It really doesn't even matter. Facsim has jack all to do with American conservatives. It's a shitty European import soocialism is as well. Classic American politics are anti federalist (ie states rights) v Federalist (ie centralized power). The American right and left are different than the Euros.
 
Can you explain how it did? Because there absolutely was a sense of socialism in that industry was subordinated entirely to the will of the government. Nazis had both a massive, nationalized labor union and a massive welfare state that nationalized private charity and local distribution and formed unions into one large state union. They had fairly left wing economic policies based on socialism. The main difference was that private industry was tolerated so long as they followed and worked under the guidelines of the government in support of the state.

Well I could explain how the Nazi's ran a corporatist state, privatized the economy and took bids more military conflicts, generally acted quite capitalist and organised a single union so they could arrest all the other ones, had right wing policies on almost everything.

But I shouldn't have to explain this because its basic fucking history.
 
Well I could explain how the Nazi's ran a corporatist state, privatized the economy and took bids more military conflicts, generally acted quite capitalist and organised a single union so they could arrest all the other ones, had right wing policies on almost everything.

But I shouldn't have to explain this because its basic fucking history.
Except for the massive welfare state, that privatized industries were heavily tied to and regulated by the government, at some point private becomes in name only. Not sure how purging unions not toeing the party line means they arent socialist, thats textbook socialist behavior.
 
Fart-left... far-right... I don't give a shit about how much either side says how evil the other is, I think you're all being had. (Yes, even the posts I liked, mainly because I've always had an affinity for underdogs, not because I actually agree with said posts).
 

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