Far left funding antifa

If you aren't an idiot I shouldn't have to explain the basics of an ideology most here proclaim to profess.
Take it from someone who's made the same mistake; if you're insisting that "you shouldn't have to explain" anything, then you've lost the argument. Because at that point, you're no longer trying to argue a point; you're trying to preach dogma.
 
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Pfew, politics is getting weird in recent years, I hope we are not going to see a Weimar!America.

In fact, by the definition provided in this thread, Allende was a Nazi.
Closer to a fascist I believe?
I admit not knowing much about Allende but I don’t think he bought into racial theory?
 
Pfew, politics is getting weird in recent years, I hope we are not going to see a Weimar!America.


Closer to a fascist I believe?
I admit not knowing much about Allende but I don’t think he bought into racial theory?


From an Obi-wan like “certain point of view” I'm a fascist, at least abstractly, (in the sense of sharing a trifecta of socio-economic-artistic beliefs with people influential to the movement’s creation) and I'm not a racist. In fact I consider racism one of the most wicked poisons on the Earth. Nazism was a nightmare that guaranteed that the modern world exists in all of its horrors. I look across the table when I see an African and I see in her eyes the eyes of someone who has a soul, a heart, bravery, courage, human dignity and rights. Who am I to deny her race the same benefits as mine? Only a coward, a monster, a fool would do this.

Yeah, I own it, just like Dollfuss: "Dollfuss always stressed the similarity of the regimes of Hitler in Germany and Joseph Stalin in the Soviet Union, and was convinced that Austrofascism and Italian fascism could counter totalitarian national socialism and communism in Europe."

After his assassination, Mussolini caved, and earned the hatred of the world for allying with Hitler. But Dollfuss? He is a martyr.

When racists threaten my African neighbour I will be the first to defend her, and when communists threaten my homeland, I will be the first to defend her, as well.
 
Well i mean lets see.

The Anti-Semetic rhetoric was a common feature
Anti-semetic rhetoric has never been a feature of the American Right Wing or Conservatives. Hell, the US has many sin, but the ONE thing we maanged to generally avoid was Antisemetism on both sides for the most part. Now, if you wanted to accuse the American Right Wing of historically being anti-catholic, that has a much stronger case.

Massive support of the military, jingoism,
This is hardly a distinct feature of right wing politics. The Soviet Union and Maoist China also had a lot of jingoism and public support of the military. So did Ancient Rome. It's a pretty typical facet of government.

homosexuals in concentration camps,
Denigration of homosexuals was an all encompassing sport of all parts of the political spectrum prior to the 1960s. Plenty of highly left wing government and actors persecuted homosexuals, see Che, for instance.

minorities in concentration camps,
. . .
Look... this... this is probably one of the most hilarious arguments for being "right wing" I've seen in the context of Fascism and Nazis ever. Seeing how the two most Progressive Presidents in US history to that point (FDR and Wilson) BOTH actually RAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS FOR ETHNIC MINORITIES. Like... literally no right wing President has ran an ethnicity based concentration camp in US history. All actual, literal concentration camps in US history have been run by left wing Democrats.

privatising government owned utilities,
Congratulations, one right wing position so far.

sucking the fat schlong of corporate interests,
As I already pointed out, corporatism and government support the interests of big businesses are not actually a right wing position in the US. The American right wing is fairly anti-regulation, yes, but not because of any preference for corporations, but due to the systemic ideological opposition to overly large and involved governments.

literal breeding centres for women,
Repeat after me: Handmaiden's Tail is no way an accurate reflection of what the religious right believes in or wants. Such an idea of a "breeding center" goes against almost ALL American right wing and conservative viewpoints on the structure of society and is much more reflective of early 20th century eugenics movements (which, note, were opposed by the social conservatives of their day and to this day) than anything to do with right wing politics.

distinctly low opinions of other ethnicities,
Like how you lowered the bar to "having low opinions of other ethnicities"; however, even this is not a feature of the American right wing, if anything, the American right wing thinks other ethnicities are entirely capable as one another. They're not the ones who push for special handouts and rules for people based on ethnicity after all, rather, they seek to tear those down. They ever have a term for it: "The soft bigotry of low expectations."

imprisoning the socialists, not imprisoning the monarchists, not imprisoning the conservatives...
Well, seeing how the American political spectrum doesn't really even HAVE monarchists on it, I don't think we can legitimately compare them... though I think the American Right Wing is actually quite staunchly anti-monarchists seeing how they quite firmly embrace the ideals of the American Founding and those precepts, which are just mildly anti-monarchical for some reason. But you're really focusing on the entire "imprisoning the socialists" thing and standing it in for opposition to socialists. But merely because two groups share an enemy does not mean they are allies, nor does it mean they are necessarily fellow travelers. Again, this is just guilt by association. I mean, by the standard of "opposing some third political position" the nationalists and communists of China must be ideologically the same, since they both opposed the Imperialism of Japan. Yeah... see... that just doesn't work.

I can go on.
Please do... you've yet to even acknowledge or engage with my post outlining how the American right wing shares little to no ideological or policy positions with Fascism or Nazism beyond a flippant attempt at guilt by association.
 
Pfew, politics is getting weird in recent years, I hope we are not going to see a Weimar!America.
Reading Mein Kampf, it's downright disturbing the comparison one can make between Weimar Communists, and Antifa; just violent enough to be considered a threat to public safety, but not violent enough to pose a threat to the Nazi party. They were used as a stepping stone, to paint the Nazis as heroes for striking them down, and thereby amass immense political power.
 
The entire Nazi obsession is such a religion these days. We can even have a thread where rightists and leftists get into an argument trying link the opposite side to Nazis and thus get them with some strange guilt by association. Look, it doesn't matter what the Nazis believed or if your own ideology has some overlap with there's. This applies to both the right and the left. Why does it matter if the Nazis met some definition of being right wing or if they met some definition of being socialists? It's as ridiculous as saying that Hitler loved dogs therefore dog lovers are evil.
 
Got some compelling arguments here...

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Well I could explain how the Nazi's ran a corporatist state, privatized the economy and took bids more military conflicts, generally acted quite capitalist and organised a single union so they could arrest all the other ones, had right wing policies on almost everything.

But I shouldn't have to explain this because its basic fucking history.
This word, I do not think it means what you think it means.
Well gee that explains alot.

I wish Joseph Stalin would come back. That guy was a way better poster. He had like... actual interesting posts to read instead of whatever this is. Even his one liners ere far more witty ripostes. It's like watching the first reverse metamorphosis of a beautiful gay communsit butterfly into some petty antifa slug. :cry:

Also Nazism is bad.
 
Well gee that explains alot.

Engelbert Dollfuss espoused a philosophy called "Austrofascism". He died a martyr, assassinated by Hitler, because he opposed Hitler's evil and the Anschluss which was the first step in Hitler's plan of world domination. I oppose racism from top to bottom. I also stand with Dollfuss: I am a traditional conservative, a member of the far-right, who would be proud to die opposing Hitler. Stop using labels to define people. Dollfuss was a fascist.

He was also a hero and a martyr of anti-Nazism. The Integralists in Brasil were likewise openly panracial and used Tupi indigenous words as unifying declarations. Many of the early Italian fascists were Jews before Mussolini purged the party under Hitler’s pressure. Allow some nuance in your life, it will be less boring.
 
Engelbert Dollfuss espoused a philosophy called "Austrofascism". He died a martyr, assassinated by Hitler, because he opposed Hitler's evil and the Anschluss which was the first step in Hitler's plan of world domination. I oppose racism from top to bottom. I also stand with Dollfuss: I am a traditional conservative, a member of the far-right, who would be proud to die opposing Hitler. Stop using labels to define people. Dollfuss was a fascist.

He was also a hero and a martyr of anti-Nazism.
Interesting. "Fascism" these days really is just a pejorative label, used to mean somebody bad. The details have been lost in our modern political biases. Actually, I'd say that racism is a word that has been so thoroughly abused as to be meaningless as well.

Personally, I identify myself as a right wing nationalist, if I were to use labels. Perhaps "far right" though that also carries such a negative connotation. What aspects of Austrofascism do you like?
 
Interesting. "Fascism" these days really is just a pejorative label, used to mean somebody bad. The details have been lost in our modern political biases. Actually, I'd say that racism is a word that has been so thoroughly abused as to be meaningless as well.

Personally, I identify myself as a right wing nationalist, if I were to use labels. Perhaps "far right" though that also carries such a negative connotation. What aspects of Austrofascism do you like?

I am a monarchist, a corporativist, and a distributivist, but like the fascists I agree we need a new art and a new aesthetic for a new age, completely traditional and at the same time, while grounded in tradition, still new.
 
Got some compelling arguments here...






I wish Joseph Stalin would come back. That guy was a way better poster. He had like... actual interesting posts to read instead of whatever this is. Even his one liners ere far more witty ripostes. It's like watching the first reverse metamorphosis of a beautiful gay communsit butterfly into some petty antifa slug. :cry:

Also Nazism is bad.
The majority of the American right very much hates Nazis. Hell a huge part of the mythos of the US right. Is going over and whipping Nazi ass.
 
Got some compelling arguments here...






I wish Joseph Stalin would come back. That guy was a way better poster. He had like... actual interesting posts to read instead of whatever this is. Even his one liners ere far more witty ripostes. It's like watching the first reverse metamorphosis of a beautiful gay communsit butterfly into some petty antifa slug. :cry:

Also Nazism is bad.
Please don't make this personal; just focus on the argument, and not the person making it.
 
Got some compelling arguments here...



I wish Joseph Stalin would come back. That guy was a way better poster. He had like... actual interesting posts to read instead of whatever this is. Even his one liners ere far more witty ripostes. It's like watching the first reverse metamorphosis of a beautiful gay communsit butterfly into some petty antifa slug. :cry:

Also Nazism is bad.

I changed the name because people couldn't handle Stalin in their safe space apparently and it was, to quote "offensive".

I'm no bothering with more detailled arguments because the chances of a fair debate on the subject are slightly higher than my deciding to move to America (hell no). I don't care about Antifa and i'm annoyed that I have to defend some random band of people with monochrome fashion sense because everyone seems to be ignoring that they haven't done jack shit in the way of objectionable stuff yet.

Hitler didn't want to "destroy socialism", he wanted to destroy a very particular form of socialism, while he himself belonged to another school of socialism.

Seriously, this isn't that hard to grasp.

For about the thousandth time, Hitler was not a socialist, he was a fascist, which is a broadly ultra-conservative movement. I would support literally anyone on earth (including assholes like Churchill, Stalin and DeGaulle) against a fascist, which is why it annoys me when people seemingly ignore everything he did and who his allies were (about half the monarchies of europe at the time) to call him a socialist because of his party name, when his entire move of gaining power was purging the colleciton of weird Nazbols that called it home alongside other fascists.
 
I changed the name because people couldn't handle Stalin in their safe space apparently and it was, to quote "offensive".
Oh boo hoo. Go to Sufficient Velocity and make an account with a Hitler picture and get back to me about how that goes over.

I'm no bothering with more detailled arguments because the chances of a fair debate on the subject are slightly higher than my deciding to move to America (hell no). I don't care about Antifa and i'm annoyed that I have to defend some random band of people with monochrome fashion sense because everyone seems to be ignoring that they haven't done jack shit in the way of objectionable stuff yet.
So beating up people, throwing urine or feces on people, hitting them in the head with bike locks, terrorizing people at their own homes, destroying private property, and using generally using violence to silence dissent isn't objectionable in your eyes? You're getting a fair debate here, maybe you aren't used to it.
 
I changed the name because people couldn't handle Stalin in their safe space apparently and it was, to quote "offensive".

And it’s.... oh you know... against the rules?

Something about not celebrating mass murdering totalitarian dictators.

Small details though. Who needs em!?

I guess I’ll change my name to Mao and argue how 40 million of my people were freed from the tyranny of being alive.

thatll go over well!!

On another note: getting off topic arnt we. The topic was the politicians are fundraising for extrajudicial mob justice.... I’m sure the long term ramifications of this arnt horrible!!

It’ll be fine!!! /s
 
I changed the name because people couldn't handle Stalin in their safe space apparently and it was, to quote "offensive".

Let's do a quick experiment. I'll register to SV with a name and image alluding to Hitler. When they permaban me in the blink of an eye, I'm going to whine about SV not handling Hitler in their safe space because its "offensive".

This is the same as you with the exception that you weren't banned or even forced to change your avatar and name. You did it voluntarily after people rightfully complained that an insane mass murdering monster is not very amusing as an avatar. We could easily have Russian posters here who had families die to Stalin.

For about the thousandth time, Hitler was not a socialist, he was a fascist, which is a broadly ultra-conservative movement.

Are you going to make an actual argument at some point, or are you going to keep stating your incorrect opinion again and again until the end of time? Because people here are saying that Hitler in fact was NOT an "ultraconservative".

I would support literally anyone on earth (including assholes like Churchill, Stalin and DeGaulle) against a fascist, which is why it annoys me when people seemingly ignore everything he did and who his allies were (about half the monarchies of europe at the time) to call him a socialist because of his party name, when his entire move of gaining power was purging the colleciton of weird Nazbols that called it home alongside other fascists.
Then you are a horrible person and should seriously reexamine your priorities in life. Communism is exactly as abhorent as fascism or nazism, I wouldn't dream of supporting any one over the other.
 
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