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f1onagher
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*sigh* I honestly wish they'd gone for Wraith Squadron. I have too many Rogue Squadron characters I really like and don't trust any Disney Wars hack not to fuck up.
The Empire/First Order is incompetent on purpose, the New Republic is incompetent because the writers are.
Jaenera Targaryen
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Bigking321
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Hitler went looking for Lebensraum in the wrong galaxy.
FAFO
Also special guest star in this epic battle!
FAFO
Also special guest star in this epic battle!
Yep, per the end of Rebels and some side materials/comics/animations.
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Jaenera Targaryen
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They also featured heat-sinks to minimize casualties. A lot of downed Stormtroopers were actually just incapacitated by plasma burns, nothing a few hours in a bacta tank wouldn't fix*. Gas or germs - barring Sith Alchemy-engineered toxins or biological agents - also wouldn't work on them, the armor was NBC-rated, although it wasn't meant for extended use in heavy fallout. There was a specialized variant for that, used by elite Imperial Radiation Stormtroopers.
Even that whole "I can't see a thing" remark by Luke was a built-in feature. That is, the armor was designed with biometric security, as in it shuts down/limits sensory functions if the user wasn't the one assigned to the armor.
*So, basically like real life armor, in that it's not expected to make a soldier invulnerable, it's supposed to keep them alive if they get hit. You want to be completely bulletproof? Get an APC/IFV/tank. Just hope the enemy doesn't have anti-tank missiles, though.
Bigking321
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I still can't believe Disney made it canon that stormtroopers were garbage, just complete idiots more likely kill themselves and other friendlies, and can't aim. 😞
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Jaenera Targaryen
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Probably because they buy too much into popular fiction that good soldiers have perfect aim. In reality, soldiers on average have an accuracy rate of between 25 and 35%. Even with specialized equipment like sights and laser projectors, the average only goes up to around 55% at most.
Oh, and this is supposed to be within the ideal combat range of ~100 yards. Any further than that and accuracy rates practically nose-dive, unless you're a sniper or a marksmanship specialist. IIRC, this is part of what makes machine guns so fundamental in modern warfare, that their high rate of fire allows them to make up for limited accuracy with the sheer amount of lead they can spew out in a given amount of time.
DarthOne
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...well, I suddenly feel a lot better about my accuracy in various games that track such things.
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We're talking Legends, not Disney's schlock. That and I think Disney doesn't want to show people getting blown to bits in a kids tv show.
Crom's Black Blade
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Personally I think it fits with the Galactic Empire being both a pulpy science-fantasy villain ala Ming the Merciless and being a Nazi Germany analogue that Stormtrooper armor is as crappy as it appears in the films. The Empire, being cartoonish evil, doesn't care about the individual lives of its soldiers. They're spear carriers meant to enforce the evil overlord's plan but at the end of the day are utterly expendable.
While being an SS stand in, I kind of see Stormtroopers as more concerned with ideological purity, and possibly racial/species purity, than actual combat effectiveness. Being willing to burn to a cinder a couple of moisture farmers without question or hesitation being far more valuable traits than if you can hit effectively as a rogue Princess, farmboy or smuggler.
With the armor primary purpose not being protection but psychological. Making the Stormtroopers appear more intimidating to civilians while breaking down a ST's individuality and sense of self making him more likely to follow the group's orders, no matter how vile.
I mean yes, but the argument is that the stormtroopers arnt like they were in legends.
To some degree they are though
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Now this I didn't know. I just thought that the helmet didn't fit him properly ('short for a stormtrooper') or he was wearing it wrong out an understandable of inexperience with Stormtrooper gear.
f1onagher
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My problem with all this is that it assumes that Stormtroopers are the majority of the Imperial ground forces. They are not, the Imperial army always gets jobbed but they make up the vast majority of the non-Navy Imperial military, and if you're looking for the SS analogs look no further than the ISB and their various task forces. The Stormtroopers are explicitly modeled after German Sturmtruppen (all the way down to the silly mess kit on their backs) and even under the Nazis those soldiers were elite specialists. Reducing your evil bad guys to a bunch of incompetent caricatures does the heroes, the setting, and the audience a disservice because it implies that only by the antagonist being a bunch of useless boobs could the good guys win or the audience appreciate the struggle.
Star Wars needs to remember that the empire has goons other than Stormtroopers. There are Imperial Regulars, Navy Troopers, ISB agents, and many flavors of corporate security that can be used. Andor had the right idea about all this but lacked the discipline to run with it. Unless you're Luke Skywalker or another member of Alliance high command you should not see Stormtroopers at all unless the shavit has truly hit the fan.