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Lord Sovereign

The resident Britbong
Thing is, a lot of people dislike the Ewoks because they get hung up on "what could have been" as the Ewoks, initially, were meant to be Wookies, and they think it would have been way cooler to have a horde of Wookies fighting over the Ewoks.
Ewoks are so alike to Wookies I sometimes find it surprising that they evolved on a different worlds. In terms of behaviour, environment and appearance the Ewoks are almost mini-Wookies, which is likely a reflection of what they were originally supposed to be. It makes me wish they were natives of Kashyyyk, to the Wookies what Neanderthal man is to us, with all the baggage that would imply between the two species. But, in a continuation of that grand theme in Star Wars, of people regardless of background coming together against tyranny, it would have some weight when both Wookie and Ewok start ripping the Imperial garrison apart.
 

Skallagrim

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This is going to sound strange, but am I one of the few people who actually doesn’t mind the Ewoks and appreciates how they overcame that Imperial detachment?

I’m serious. The Ewok stratagem is far from unintelligent. They attack the enemy by surprise then quickly withdraw to entice a pursuit (which the arrogant Imperials fall for hook line and sinker), whereupon they use numbers, superior knowledge of terrain, and traps they’ve set to steadily whittle down the enemy’s numbers.

That way they not only laid waste to the garrison (at a very high cost I might add), but gave the Alliance commandos the time they needed to destroy the DSII’s shield generator.

The Ewok chieftain was no Sun Tzu, but he knew what he was doing and his warriors were willing to make the sacrifice for a free Galaxy.

The idea is pretty good. The issue with the Ewoks, I feel, is that they're rather "kiddie"-- and as a grown-up, you can't escape the realisation that they're meant to sell toys (and animated series & tv films, aimed at children). There's also the fact that Wookiees (indeed, the original idea) were shown to be familiar with blasters etc., whereas Ewoks are stone age primitives. When you think about it as an adult, the idea of those Ewoks doing so well becomes... a bit iffy. Their traps were good, but they're fighting soldiers with guns. Is it plausible that they'd win? Or would they get mown down by the survivors after their traps have been sprung? You can only use a trap once, and I don't buy that they'd kill all -- or even a majority of -- the Imperial troops that way.

None of this matters when you're a kid. RotJ was my favourite of the OT when I first saw them, and I liked the Ewoks. I find that it's harder to take them seriously as an adult.

I very much like the idea (and have suggested this in the past) of using the premise of a Wookiee slave labour camp on Endor, which the heroes raid, liberating the Wookiees. The Wookiees take the guns of their former captors, and then they and the Rebels hide out in the forest. There, they join up with the native Ewoks. That way, the Ewoks provide the traps, but the Wookiees can do the actual fighting alongside the Rebels-- removing the rather implausible notion of teddy bears with slingshots taking down armed soldiers with blasters.
 

Typhonis

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Well, if Ewoks are native to Kashyyk then simply take a page from Earth. There are primitives that live away from what we consider to be 'civilized' areas and live in rather harsh areas. Have the Ewoks be something like that.

I mean, heck. Sand people and Jawas have a common ancestor.
 

Lord Sovereign

The resident Britbong
The more I think about the Star Wars Prequels, the more tragic they become. Their key failings were all down to George Lucas in his inability to direct actors, and getting carried away with the CGI and the "Shakespearean" dialogue. The core material was genius but he fumbled the execution to a catastrophic extent.

The tragedy is those crippling flaws were agonisingly easy to fix.

If someone like Steven Spielberg had been in the room with George, an industry veteran who wouldn't be overawed, could work with the actors, and say "no" when it was needed, these films would have been considered some of the greatest sci-fi cinema of all time.

Yet even in their fumbled state, these films still manage to completely outshine the Sequels. Which tells you a lot about how much Disney buggered up.
 

Bigking321

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Yeah, there is something THERE in the prequels. The execution is catastrophic and damages them immensely but at its core there are some really good ideas.

Palpatines rise to power. The clones. Order 66. The fall of the jedi. Controlling both sides of a war so you can get power and weaken the galaxy so there is no one left that could oppose you.

The sequels have nothing.

Well... are left with nothing I guess. Finn had a lot of potential but it was all wasted.

And hyperspace ramming might be one of the single most setting damaging things I've ever seen introduced into a franchise.
 

novussa

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well should seen this coming. im are any of you suprised by this im not well this will probaly go down the shitter.
how much are you guys will to bet this will have a girlboss in it that is better than any one else and have wedge if he is in it
be a idiot.
 

Bacle

When the effort is no longer profitable...
Founder
You all do remember her dad was an F-4 pilot in Veitnam, and she's been wanting to make a fighter pilot movie for years but never found a way to do so before getting into Disney Wars.

Let's give her a little bit of credit; WW84 is a very different sort of movie, with a different sort of crowd expectation and emotional appeal to the director.

Don't expect a 1-to-1 from the book series though, for cast or characters used, given it's supposed to be post sequel I think, so Wedge is too old to do more than act as general or gunner.
 

Bigking321

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You all do remember her dad was an F-4 pilot in Veitnam, and she's been wanting to make a fighter pilot movie for years but never found a way to do so before getting into Disney Wars.
Based off ww84 where she had full control and could do whatever she wanted, I do not have a lot of confidence.

Hell, Rian was really passionate about ww2 bomber runs but that stuff in the beginning of tlj was still really bad.

Wanting to do something doesn't equal quality. And her results when she had full control and the fact it's Disney if she doesn't have full control make it impossible for me to be hopeful about this.

She didn't even notice she had wonder woman rape a guy in 84.

Gal Godot is a great actress.
She's pretty and all but she can't really act.

"Kal-el. No."
 

Bigking321

Well-known member
we can’t very well have the Empire be the least bit competent in modern media.
Or the new republic since it all ends up at the sequels that has them be complete idiots then get blown up.

...

Who are the competent ones in Disney wars?

I'm genuinely trying to think of a answer and am drawing a blank. Did I forget someone obvious?

And I don't mean people that do stupid things and it just works out for them because of plot.

Like actual competent people that do intelligent things for good reasons.
 

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