Babylon 5 A Fighting Chance --- A Babylon 5 AU

[mwkillkenny84]

I'm not going to throw away B4 either

Hadn't you stated (using Deathwalker, waaay back during the middle of the War when she discovered the whole "Valen's Battlestation had too many points in common with Earth Alliance's design philosophy, it could be Time Travel") that even if 'this iteration' does not send back in time 'Sinclair-Valen + battlestation' the fact that a Valen with his Battlestation got sent back in time not change?

 

[Harlock]

There may be some alterations to when things happen as I want Sinclair to not leave mid story, but it will eventually go back.

In canon though B4 survived the old Shadow War. Valen had been using it as his base and after he died he left instructions for his loyal followers to hide the station so it would not become a shrine to him. They moved it to the orbit of a random world and there it stayed for a thousand years.

Ultimately it was destabilised by Valen fanatics and the B5 crew couldn't save it, but I think we can do better than that. B4 was not only the single most potent object made by human hands up to that point it was also tooled up with Minbari weapons and devices too during its service as Valen's HQ.
With this war being more intense and B5 being more tied into Earth's story (I don't plan an overt rebellion) then B4 is well placed to step up and take on its old job as Ranger HQ.

 

[Knowledgeispower]

There may be some alterations to when things happen as I want Sinclair to not leave mid story, but it will eventually go back.

In canon though B4 survived the old Shadow War. Valen had been using it as his base and after he died he left instructions for his loyal followers to hide the station so it would not become a shrine to him. They moved it to the orbit of a random world and there it stayed for a thousand years.

Ultimately it was destabilised by Valen fanatics and the B5 crew couldn't save it, but I think we can do better than that. B4 was not only the single most potent object made by human hands up to that point it was also tooled up with Minbari weapons and devices too during its service as Valen's HQ.
With this war being more intense and B5 being more tied into Earth's story (I don't plan an overt rebellion) then B4 is well placed to step up and take on its old job as Ranger HQ.

She'll need a heck of a refit though. A thousand years without maintenance can't be good for her even if they properly mothballed her

 

[Harlock]

She'll need a heck of a refit though. A thousand years without maintenance can't be good for her even if they properly mothballed her

Yeah very true, she was if I recall airtight, still had power and answered to EA command codes, but I expect that if they find her mid season 3 she won't be active until the Shadow war really gets fun

 

[Knowledgeispower]

Yeah very true, she was if I recall airtight, still had power and answered to EA command codes, but I expect that if they find her mid season 3 she won't be active until the Shadow war really gets fun

Got to check and likely replace all the wiring and the plumbing for air and waste if nothing else. And probably replace the reactors

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Yeah very true, she was if I recall airtight, still had power and answered to EA command codes, but I expect that if they find her mid season 3 she won't be active until the Shadow war really gets fun

I wonder, would that be where Sheridan and Co are able to really establish the ISA? A refit and restored B4 with some Yulu and Vree guns would be nice

 

[Vlad_Dracul89]

Crawling by Linkin Park being the Anthem of the Shadows as a race

I'd start with Three Days Grace, first 'Home' then newer song, 'I am Machine'. Local dudes should dig them a lot.

Unironically it would be extremely funny if Shadows just casually revealed themselves, just like that, and edgy Humans would started to worship them in satanic, pagan, goth and vampire subcultures.

 

[Seawolf]

Got to check and likely replace all the wiring and the plumbing for air and waste if nothing else. And probably replace the reactors

I think that the Minbari used very advanced reactors that didn't use too much fuel, but given that Babylon 4 is originally Earthtech, she would have massive bunkerage for her fusion reactors. Basically the Minbari probably did a magnificent double take after installing new reactors at how long till she needed a fill up. That said, those reactors would probably need TLC.

 

[Harlock]

If I recall she was supposed to have a bit of Vorlon tech too which would be a real prize

 

[Vlad_Dracul89]

Since time travel and ancient conflicts are such crucial part of the lore, did anyone thought to rewrite Human origin story?

Either add non-Earth based Human civilization which is more alien to Earthlings than Centauris, or that Humans already were space faring civilization once, before bombed literally to the Stone Age (like Shoulders of Giants Origin in Stellaris). I don't recall any such fanfic in my memory.

I know B5 is not Humanity Fck Yeah centered story like Stargate was, but still...

 

[Harlock]

I suppose that sort of happens in that humanity advances, gets nuked to a medieval society, then rebuilds to a point superior to Vorlons in a much shorter time.

I mean okay, a million years but considering it took the others a billion or more years thats not bad

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I suppose that sort of happens in that humanity advances, gets nuked to a medieval society, then rebuilds to a point superior to Vorlons in a much shorter time.

I mean okay, a million years but considering it took the others a billion or more years thats not bad

Well earth gets nuked into a medieval society, the human colonies on other worlds continue advancing apparently.

 

[Harlock]

very true, also in my view one of the dumber parts of the show. Very thematic etc but still dumb

 

[Vlad_Dracul89]

I am sure Shadows as a side quest had to try once or twice to plant Vorlon pets on Death World or Tomb World and create ruthless darwinian society. If just for a little bit of fun, when dudes wanted to play Age of Empires.

 

[Seawolf]

I have to ask, how do Neutron Lasers work in canon? Do we know and if we don't how do they work in this story?

 

[Harlock]

I have to ask, how do Neutron Lasers work in canon? Do we know and if we don't how do they work in this story?

It bombards a target with a stream of Neutrons which is detrimental to any solid object in its path. Neutron bombardment is a method of breaking up atoms on a fundamental level so it is effectively blasting a target apart on a molecular level and releasing a good amount of energy in the process.

Very powerful very dangerous weapon, it doesn't really matter what your ship is made of, if it is matter this weapon will wreck it. Energy shields are your only real defence, or killing the target before it carves you up

 

[Spartan303]

There may be some alterations to when things happen as I want Sinclair to not leave mid story, but it will eventually go back.

In canon though B4 survived the old Shadow War. Valen had been using it as his base and after he died he left instructions for his loyal followers to hide the station so it would not become a shrine to him. They moved it to the orbit of a random world and there it stayed for a thousand years.

Ultimately it was destabilised by Valen fanatics and the B5 crew couldn't save it, but I think we can do better than that. B4 was not only the single most potent object made by human hands up to that point it was also tooled up with Minbari weapons and devices too during its service as Valen's HQ.
With this war being more intense and B5 being more tied into Earth's story (I don't plan an overt rebellion) then B4 is well placed to step up and take on its old job as Ranger HQ.

Wasn't the original plan was for Babylon 5 to 'die' and the Babylon crew retaking Babylon 4 and using it as a mobile base against Clark?

Technological limitations and lack of budget I heard ended that idea.

 

[Harlock]

Wasn't the original plan was for Babylon 5 to 'die' and the Babylon crew retaking Babylon 4 and using it as a mobile base against Clark?

Technological limitations and lack of budget I heard ended that idea.

Yeah I think so, B5 was going to be wrecked and so they had to go get B4 from the past to take over. It would have been in the Shadow war first and then probably to fix Clark. This is I think why B4 has so much work put into it, they were going to use that CG model a lot more.

But they changed their mind when Sinclair left and we got what we got which was good, but I always wanted to know how that first series would have gone As you say probably a bit ambitious on their budget
Personally I consider it the Alpha timeline which starts the Valen time loop with the actual series line one that occurs afterward

 

[Spartan303]

Yeah I think so, B5 was going to be wrecked and so they had to go get B4 from the past to take over. It would have been in the Shadow war first and then probably to fix Clark. This is I think why B4 has so much work put into it, they were going to use that CG model a lot more.

But they changed their mind when Sinclair left and we got what we got which was good, but I always wanted to know how that first series would have gone As you say probably a bit ambitious on their budget
Personally I consider it the Alpha timeline which starts the Valen time loop with the actual series line one that occurs afterward

What might have been. A Mobile Starbase the size of B4 would have been a HUGE threat to Clark.

 

[Harlock]

What might have been. A Mobile Starbase the size of B4 would have been a HUGE threat to Clark.

Yeah, thing was supposed to be armed to the teeth. No canon sources but it must be at least Omega class weapons, probably in my opinion particle canons too.

The main reason I'm working to put B4 in this AU is because I really, really like seeing things explode in awesome fashion. B4 will make that happen