Aliens and Predators Franchise Megathread

[Jormungandr]

Like I said earlier, it is possible Ridley Scott intended for the Praetomorph to be a sub-clade of the traditional xenomorph, David's specific "unique" weaponization of the xenomorph, or that just certain species of xenomorph have this ability while others do not. 1) The facehugger in Alien heals in seconds. 2) Ripley 8 exhibits rapid regeneration due to her hybridization 3) Survives being crushed to death under 15 tons of hot lead being dumped on it from a great height 4) In the novelization of Alien it regrows an arm. So regrowing limbs or body segments is not out-of-character for the xenomorph.

Also nobody said it could 'reconstitute itself from mush or paste', just that it can regrow limbs and body segments.

No: That's what Scott said in an interview. He explicitly said that pasted/mashed Praetomorph would regenerate and reconstitute itself when it hit the ground.

Despite, you know, being paste.

Yeah, there are reasons why no one takes his commentary and design ideas all that seriously any more. smh

 

[ATP]

No: That's what Scott said in an interview. He explicitly said that pasted/mashed Praetomorph would regenerate and reconstitute itself when it hit the ground.

Despite, you know, being paste.

Yeah, there are reasons why no one takes his commentary and design ideas all that seriously any more. smh

It would be possible,if they were bacteria or muschrooma,like WH40 orcs.
Any animal ,even most prymitive,must die.

P.S there is old joke in Poland
Jak nazywa się duża bakteria? makrob.
My translation: How Big bacteria is named ? Macrobe.

So,if they are macrobes,they could live !

 

[IndyFront]

No: That's what Scott said in an interview. He explicitly said that pasted/mashed Praetomorph would regenerate and reconstitute itself when it hit the ground.

Despite, you know, being paste.

Yeah, there are reasons why no one takes his commentary and design ideas all that seriously any more. smh

The praetormorph was not "being paste" or "mashed", it was smashed diagonally in half, and if left alone I'm sure it would reconstitute itself. You can clearly see an intact head and torso fall from the sky. This is not to say that the Covenant crew couldn't have tracked it down and eliminated it with a few shots to the head before it could regenerate, but its really not that big of a stretch to say the Praetormorph could've regrown its lower half if left alone, which is what Scott was saying.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

I can't remember the exact timeframe xD, I know it took them like 15-30 seconds though or something like that

Edit: From :39 when Dallas exits the med lab to 1:27 when Ripley says "it looks like its stopping" So about 50 seconds it takes for it to heal from an incision/injury according to Alien.

There's a couple of cuts skipping a few seconds there! ;P

And none of the characters mention it's wound is gone.

 

[IndyFront]

There's a couple of cuts skipping a few seconds there! ;P

And none of the characters mention it's wound is gone.

Agreed with the first part, but the second is just asking for plot points to be spoonfed to you. A lot of things can be implied off-screen that the characters don't explicitly say, but it is still implied.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Agreed with the first part, but the second is just asking for plot points to be spoonfed to you. A lot of things can be implied off-screen that the characters don't explicitly say, but it is still implied.

Why would you imply rapid regeneration in a creature which then almost immediately dies in the film?
My first thought was less 'whoah it regenned a papercut!?' and more 'Oh they probably didn't want to make a new full-size facehugger prop for continuity'.

 

[Jormungandr]

The praetormorph was not "being paste" or "mashed", it was smashed diagonally in half, and if left alone I'm sure it would reconstitute itself. You can clearly see an intact head and torso fall from the sky. This is not to say that the Covenant crew couldn't have tracked it down and eliminated it with a few shots to the head before it could regenerate, but its really not that big of a stretch to say the Praetormorph could've regrown its lower half if left alone, which is what Scott was saying.

You're just being pedantic now.

What fell was a head, part of its upper torso, and a shit ton of mashed gore from where the rest of it was smushed. Additionally, it's unlikely the head and part of the upper torso would've landed intact from that height.

So, yes -- perhaps not paste but definitely chunky, acidic salsa.

To regenerate from that would be some T-1000 shit.

So, yes. It's fucking stupid.

 

[IndyFront]

You're just being pedantic now.

What fell was a head, part of its upper torso, and a shit ton of mashed gore from where the rest of it was smushed. Additionally, it's unlikely the head and part of the upper torso would've landed intact from that height.

So, yes -- perhaps not paste but definitely chunky, acidic salsa.

To regenerate from that would be some T-1000 shit.

So, yes. It's fucking stupid.

Get as mad as you want, I'm going with what Scott said over you, because he had more of a role in creating the xenomorph than you did. Also if you just simply don't like Alien: Covenant just say that ffs. I think this conversation has run its course.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Get as mad as you want, I'm going with what Scott said over you, because he had more of a role in creating the xenomorph than you did. Also if you just simply don't like Alien: Covenant just say that ffs. I think this conversation has run its course.

But...He didn't have much to do with the Xenomorph at all. Of any of the directors it's basically James Cameron who input the most into the lore.
...Actually even fucking David Fincher added more to the lore.

 

[IndyFront]

But...He didn't have much to do with the Xenomorph at all. Of any of the directors it's basically James Cameron who input the most into the lore.
...Actually even fucking David Fincher added more to the lore.

He literally directed Alien, his views are valid. You are all more than welcome to ignore Alien: Covenant as a high-end outlier (its really not as high-end as you lot are making it out to be, like I pointed out with the Superman v Aliens example there are FAR more absurd claims to the xenomorphs' strengths) but it doesn't just stop existing because you ignore it.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

He literally directed Alien, his views are valid.

Well yeah, he directed the film, you would be surprised how little directors make in terms of choices of design and story.
In regards to what makes the Alien, alien, he didn't have much to do with it. That was Giger for the appearance and O'bannon for what it could actually do.

 

[Captain X]

He also says Rick Deckard is a replicant and put all kinds of hints towards that in the movie he made, but the problem is that the story doesn't work as well if Deckard is a replicant.

 

[IndyFront]

Well yeah, he directed the film, you would be surprised how little directors make in terms of choices of design and story.
In regards to what makes the Alien, alien, he didn't have much to do with it. That was Giger for the appearance and O'bannon for what it could actually do.

He still had more to do with it than most people, it was a collaborative effort, the entirety of what we see on-screen wouldn't have happened if not for the director, literally the whole moving picture and visual feature we get is because of the director, you're all acting like he has no right to say anything whatsoever

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

He still had more to do with it than most people, it was a collaborative effort, the entirety of what we see on-screen wouldn't have happened if not for the director, literally the whole moving picture and visual feature we get is because of the director, you're all acting like he has no right to say anything whatsoever

The franchise has been in the hands of a dozen people by now, he has no more right to overrule anyone.
Frankly I think Giger should have it, but uhhh, that's not happening now.

 

[IndyFront]

The franchise has been in the hands of a dozen people by now, he has no more right to overrule anyone.
Frankly I think Giger should have it, but uhhh, that's not happening now.

Well, whether you like it or not it's in the hands of Ridley Scott now, so it is ultimately up to his discretion. I had my own ideas for a horrific nightmare-fuel fever dream of an Alien film called Xenophobia, hell I'm sure there are plenty of fans that would have better ideas than him, not a fan personally of David creating the xenomorph but that's where we're at now. I honestly didn't even like Covenant at first but it's grown in... on me...

 

[Typhonis]

Well, whether you like it or not it's in the hands of Ridley Scott now, so it is ultimately up to his discretion. I had my own ideas for a horrific nightmare-fuel fever dream of an Alien film called Xenophobia, hell I'm sure there are plenty of fans that would have better ideas than him, not a fan personally of David creating the xenomorph but that's where we're at now. I honestly didn't even like Covenant at first but it's grown in... on me...

Prometheus could just be an alternate timeline like Kelvinverse in Star Trek.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Well, whether you like it or not it's in the hands of Ridley Scott now, so it is ultimately up to his discretion. I had my own ideas for a horrific nightmare-fuel fever dream of an Alien film called Xenophobia, hell I'm sure there are plenty of fans that would have better ideas than him, not a fan personally of David creating the xenomorph but that's where we're at now. I honestly didn't even like Covenant at first but it's grown in... on me...

I don't share that viewpoint really, an artist defacing their own artworks is a tragedy, and any ability to un-deface art should be done.
I don't adhere to the idea that my favorite franchises can be twisted and skewed just because some rich old retard wants to get some extra dollars.

 

[IndyFront]

Prometheus could just be an alternate timeline like Kelvinverse in Star Trek.

Exactly! And the Praetomorph was stated to be a sub-clade or sub-classification of xenomorph anyway, not a true xenomorph, so I don't get what the big deal is.

I don't share that viewpoint really, an artist defacing their own artworks is a tragedy, and any ability to un-deface art should be done.
I don't adhere to the idea that my favorite franchises can be twisted and skewed just because some rich old retard wants to get some extra dollars.

That's really disrespectful, Ridley is getting old sure, but he has every right to participate in and add on to the Alien universe.

His claim is also nonsensical because wouldn't Alien 3 have a billion miniature Runners all over the place mere moments after it exploded?

What? No lol, it was defeated similarly to the xenomorph in Alien and the xenomorphs in Aliens, they can be killed by explosives or extreme thermodynamics, that is perfectly consistent. The praetomorph wasn't paste either, it was crushed into a few pieces.

 

[Typhonis]

I mean keep the xeno's simple, keep them elegant. If you have too look to ants for idea's. In some colonies size difference , in workers, happens. Leaf cutter ants for example. Some workers leave the nest, larger and older ones, while the smaller and younger workers stay inside to tend the fungus, brood and queen.

The majors and super majors go where they are needed to deal with threats, heavy tasks or act as repleats.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

That's really disrespectful, Ridley is getting old sure, but he has every right to participate in and add on to the Alien universe.

He doesn't though, both of his newer films in the franchise have been treated with distaste by countless people. Alien was an excellent film and still holds up so well. His newer ones simply don't. Whatever spark of vision he might've had, he lacks now. People change after all.

What? No lol, it was defeated similarly to the xenomorph in Alien and the xenomorphs in Aliens, they can be killed by explosives or extreme thermodynamics, that is perfectly consistent. The praetomorph wasn't paste either, it was crushed into a few pieces.

My dude the poor thing was absolutely mushed, reduced to it's upper torso some mush and some limbs.
The only 'cut in half and survives' Xeno I am aware of in the whole franchise is the upgraded warrior in AVP:E.