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WolfBear

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Able to speak,maybe,use as their own language - no.
Yeah, Poles certainly aren't going to replace Polish with Russian in their day-to-day use.

BTW, off-topic, but do you think that a non-Communist Russia would be able to get millions or even tens of millions of East Asians to move there?
 

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BTW, off-topic, but do you think that a non-Communist Russia would be able to get millions or even tens of millions of East Asians to move there?
It is off-topic, but that would be okay, since this is a general discussion thread. However, you've asked variations on this exact question a dozen times already. It seems to be a bit of an idée fixe of yours [in the same way you keep trying to turn random discussions to A) ATL chances of monarchies being abolished, B) ATL chances of Austia being dismembered, and C) the supposed link between race and IQ].

To be quite frank, it gets a bit tiring. It's all been discussed already, several times in this thread, and you just keep raising it again as if it's a brand new question you just came up with. But the matter of ATL mass South/East Asian migration (primarily to Russia, but also elsewhere) has been brought up -- by you -- many times before:


I wonder if Russia will open up more to mass immigration, and, if so, from where exactly? From China? From South Asia?
"Have a Great Migration of at least a couple hundred million South Asians to the West (including Eastern Europe and Russia) between 1900 and 2100. The PoD for this is no later than January 1, 1914."
And if the US would have already absorbed a lot of Mexicans, why not a lot of Filipinos as well? But of course this would raise the question as to why exactly the US is categorically excluding other Asian immigrants. What exactly makes Mexicans better than Asians, after all?
How would you get a lot of immigrants to settle in a Russia that has avoided decades of Communist rule? Especially, but not only, both East Asians and South Asians since they're in relatively close proximity to a Greater Russia. By "a lot", I mean REALLY huge numbers, comparable to the 30 million Latin Americans whom the US has accepted since 1965
mass South Asian migration into Central Asia (...) in this TL a lot of Central Asians might move to Russia's Slavic core during the 20th century in search of better job opportunities, with a lot of them permanently deciding to settle there.
I previously speculated about having a lot of South Asians settle in a Central Asia that a developed Russia permanently keeps.
East Asians I would presume would mostly settle in the Russian Far East (...) but the reason that I invoked South Asia here is because South Asia's population is absolutely enormous and thus could provide an extremely massive immigrant pool
What about Muslim South Asians?
'AHC: Have Israel be much more accepting of mass non-Jewish immigration'

Note: It doesn't actually have to involve Arabs and/or Muslims immigrating to Israel en masse. Rather, other groups such as East Asians, Slavs, Vietnamese, Thais, Filipinos, Hindus, et cetera could immigrate to Israel en masse instead in this TL.
What is the largest realistic number of East Asians plus Vietnamese that a non-Communist Russia could have realistically accepted as immigrants over the last 110 years?

Since you've also made at least two threads on the matter, wouldn't it be much better if you posted any new ideas on the issue in one of those threads, instead of trying to "innocently" move the general discussion to this topic again? I get that you have some favourite topics and themes, so do most of us, but your questions have been asked and answered. Repeatedly.
 

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It is off-topic, but that would be okay, since this is a general discussion thread. However, you've asked variations on this exact question a dozen times already. It seems to be a bit of an idée fixe of yours [in the same way you keep trying to turn random discussions to A) ATL chances of monarchies being abolished, B) ATL chances of Austia being dismembered, and C) the supposed link between race and IQ].

To be quite frank, it gets a bit tiring. It's all been discussed already, several times in this thread, and you just keep raising it again as if it's a brand new question you just came up with. But the matter of ATL mass South/East Asian migration (primarily to Russia, but also elsewhere) has been brought up -- by you -- many times before:














Since you've also made at least two threads on the matter, wouldn't it be much better if you posted any new ideas on the issue in one of those threads, instead of trying to "innocently" move the general discussion to this topic again? I get that you have some favourite topics and themes, so do most of us, but your questions have been asked and answered. Repeatedly.
Yeah, I remember that I previously asked about South Asians but forgot that I previously asked about East Asians here as well. Sorry about that.
 

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Which multiethnic state(s) out of the ones below do you miss the most?

-Byzantine Empire
-Holy Roman Empire
-Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
-Austria-Hungary
-Russian Empire
-Ottoman Empire
-Czechoslovakia
-Yugoslavia
-Soviet Union
-British India (not technically a state per se, but still close enough)
 
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Yeah, Poles certainly aren't going to replace Polish with Russian in their day-to-day use.

BTW, off-topic, but do you think that a non-Communist Russia would be able to get millions or even tens of millions of East Asians to move there?
Non-commie Russia who followed economic reforms would get millions of everybody,becouse everybody would want work there.Which include those asians.
 
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Slightly off topic but possibly the best place to put this. Will be out for a while as helping out a mate who got hurt in an accident - broken collarbone Ouch! Hopefully start catching up in a few days and catch up on any comments.
Sorry to hear that. Hope you’re back soon, and (more importantly) for your friend to have a smooth recovery. :(
 

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@stevep @Marduk @ATP @Batrix2070 If Weimar Germany would have survived or been replaced by a right-wing authoritarian regime rather than by Nazi Germany and would have eventually waged a successful war against Poland (and maybe France) to recover the Polish Corridor without the Soviet Union entering this war on the German side for whatever reason, would Poland have been able to subsequently spend a lot of money developing Riga as an alternative port for itself if Germany will refuse to even give Gdynia (along with an extraterritorial railway connecting it to the rest of Poland) back to Poland in a post-war peace settlement?
 

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'More Antagonistic Anglo-American Relations'.

Bonus points if you can achieve this with an after-1900 POD, such as by having the US join the Central Powers and annex Canada shortly after entering the war.
 

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Have the US be led by Putin-like Fascists who will attack Canada for its human capital. That should severely piss off the Brits against the Americans. It would be like the current Russo-Ukrainian rivalry, brother peoples hating each other's guts.
Actually, I must've picked up the idea from @Skallagrim a while back. Even if a defeated Britain doesn't turn communist, the loss of Canada (and any additional reparations the US demands) will be a sore spot for decades to come.

Another possibility you made me consider (which is more of an AH scenario within an AH scenario) is one in which an inverted, Back in the USSA-style Cold War between a communist America and lasting British Empire turn hot, with Canada first in line to receive some of the USSA's "Glorious liberation!" efforts. Sure, the invaders won't be fascists, but considering how communists... really aren't all that much different (despite cosplaying as total opposites), you can still bet on Putin types running the show here, too.
 

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"Plausible Check: Effects on the British Isles from a Surviving Anglo-Saxon England, or both Harald Hardrada and William the Would-be Conqueror fail to take the English crown"

I am not sure as to how a surviving Anglo-Saxon England would have fared, had the two candidates in question failed in their quest to grab the English crown.
 

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Actually, I must've picked up the idea from @Skallagrim a while back. Even if a defeated Britain doesn't turn communist, the loss of Canada (and any additional reparations the US demands) will be a sore spot for decades to come.

Another possibility you made me consider (which is more of an AH scenario within an AH scenario) is one in which an inverted, Back in the USSA-style Cold War between a communist America and lasting British Empire turn hot, with Canada first in line to receive some of the USSA's "Glorious liberation!" efforts. Sure, the invaders won't be fascists, but considering how communists... really aren't all that much different (despite cosplaying as total opposites), you can still bet on Putin types running the show here, too.
Sounds plausible--and scary!

BTW, do you think that a victorious US would also go for Australia and New Zealand? A Fascist/Communist US could also say that they are one people together with white Americans, similar to what Putin believes about Russians in comparison to both Ukrainians and Belarusians.

"Plausible Check: Effects on the British Isles from a Surviving Anglo-Saxon England, or both Harald Hardrada and William the Would-be Conqueror fail to take the English crown"

I am not sure as to how a surviving Anglo-Saxon England would have fared, had the two candidates in question failed in their quest to grab the English crown.
The English language sees much less French influence and thus might remain much more similar to Frisian even nowadays. It would be completely unrecognizable and completely unintelligible to present-day English-speakers.

Interestingly enough, this is why it was a good thing that Islam was created. Specifically, the fact that if Islam would not have been created, then the butterflies from this might have prevented the creation of modern English later on.
 

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I've been wondering if the best way to get Intermarium in the interwar era would be for Austria-Hungary to actually make a separate peace with the Allies on reasonable terms and then to ally with an independent Polish state (which can get Galicia for itself in exchange for a military alliance with Austria-Hungary) along with Romania and possibly the Baltics. But that would require the Italians to be more willing to compromise during peace negotiations--right, @stevep? Or for the Italians to remain neutral in World War I, I suppose. Though then the CPs might win this war.

In order to make Intermarium really work during the interwar era, Poland needs either Ukraine or a surviving Austria-Hungary or perhaps both of them as allies, I think. Or perhaps a Polish-Czechoslovak-Romanian alliance if the Teschen issue can be successfully revolved. It seems regretful that a plebiscite was never held in Teschen. Really, I think that a Polish-Czechoslovak-Romanian alliance could have been quite formidable. Especially if Poland would have also been more successful in its war against the Soviet Union and thus managed to secure both an independent Ukraine and an independent Belarus as Polish allies.
 

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Sounds plausible--and scary!
Thanks.

BTW, do you think that a victorious US would also go for Australia and New Zealand? A Fascist/Communist US could also say that they are one people together with white Americans, similar to what Putin believes about Russians in comparison to both Ukrainians and Belarusians.
Eh, not really. Apart from anything else, CP America will have its hands full absorbing Canada, which abuts its northern border and (compared to the US) is sparsely populated.

Australia and New Zealand, on the other hand, lie on the other side of the Pacific Ocean, so pulling a “Putin in Ukraine” (and perhaps, Belarus) a century early? … Yeah, nah; they’ll probably go independent after Britain’s forced to cede its empire (or if not that, after it turns Red), though they could still deepen ties with the US later, depending on how things roll out.
 

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Thanks.



Eh, not really. Apart from anything else, CP America will have its hands full absorbing Canada, which abuts its northern border and (compared to the US) is sparsely populated.

Australia and New Zealand, on the other hand, lie on the other side of the Pacific Ocean, so pulling a “Putin in Ukraine” (and perhaps, Belarus) a century early? … Yeah, nah; they’ll probably go independent after Britain’s forced to cede its empire (or if not that, after it turns Red), though they could still deepen ties with the US later, depending on how things roll out.
Any chance that Australia could follow the US's example and forcibly conquer New Zealand?
 

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'More Antagonistic Anglo-American Relations'.

Bonus points if you can achieve this with an after-1900 POD, such as by having the US join the Central Powers and annex Canada shortly after entering the war.
Simplest POD is having a different President/different Wilson in 1914. A President who refuses to bend over to Entente blockade rules and stands up for Neutrals' Rights, like Jefferson had done a hundred years previously. Bad blood ensues, Great War ends with peace of exhaustion, boards catering to alt-hist full of "effects of USA friendly neutral to Entente" threads, with "genocidal Marxist regime in Russia alongside German collapse and dictated peace" laughed off as ASB.

See:
 
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Simplest POD is having a different President/different Wilson in 1914. A President who refuses to bend over to Entente blockade rules and stands up for Neutrals' Rights, like Jefferson had done a hundred years previously. Bad blood ensues, Great War ends with peace of exhaustion, boards catering to alt-hist full of "effects of USA friendly neutral to Entente" threads, with "genocidal Marxist regime in Russia alongside German collapse and dictated peace" laughed off as ASB.

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The part that would be perceived as being especially ASB would be a devilish-looking German with a Charlie Chaplin moustache taking over Germany and thus proceeding to mass murder six million European Jews along with, of course, tens of millions of others.
 
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