Probably the latter, if we go by the subtext of @Skallagrim's posts.That depends, are the Germans keeping the crops they grow or are the Americans, Europeans and Soviets stealing them?
Probably the latter, if we go by the subtext of @Skallagrim's posts.That depends, are the Germans keeping the crops they grow or are the Americans, Europeans and Soviets stealing them?
That depends, are the Germans keeping the crops they grow or are the Americans, Europeans and Soviets stealing them?
It's bound to be a scenario that sucks, but I don't really expect the neighbours to be stealing the produce. They have their own agricultural sectors (certainly the USA!), and with (fomer) Germany de-industrialised, the neighbours will be able to focus on building up their own industry. I rather think they'll force the Germn states into treaties under whose terms the neighbours will be able to buy agricultural products at pre-determined prices.Probably the latter, if we go by the subtext of @Skallagrim's posts.
Yeah, sure, until someone decides "Fuck these Germans" and takes everything. The rest of the nations won't do shit because why should they? After all, it only is germans that starve.That's not a good deal for the Germans, obviously, but if your entire region is agricultural, it's hard to suffer food shortages (unless there's massive crop blights or something).
Yeah, sure, until someone decides "Fuck these Germans" and takes everything. The rest of the nations won't do shit because why should they? After all, it only is germans that starve.
Frankly, that TL deserves to get nuked.
Yeah, in the OTL, the german people are culturally broken. Self-hatred might as well be in the very DNA of the average German.In principle, I agree. You shouldn't be punished for what your ancestors did, when you had no say in the process and no way to stop them.
At the same time, though, they need to understand and drill it into their heads where their forerunners went wrong, so that future generations will never so much as think to repeat it. To that end, thorough Holocaust education and reparations to the remaining victims of Nazi atrocities seem like reasonable steps, with post-war generations of Germans able to start over again with a clean slate, as soon as reparations have been paid and they've turned their lives around completely.
We know from OTL that breaking Germany up and dismantling its industry was unnecessary, but can you expect people with a considerably worse experience and no pragmatic reason to prop it up in the aftermath to know that? That doesn't make the ATL Allies right, mind you, but there's a reason why they won't have it rising up to make Europe tremble a third time, given how the Treaty of Versailles still wasn't enough to prevent Round Two.
Yeah, in the OTL, the german people are culturally broken. Self-hatred might as well be in the very DNA of the average German.
Is that what a nation with a sordid past should be like? To deny that anything could come out of it? To let itself willingly be replaced by "refugees" and "immigrants"?
I do not think so.
one of these things is not like the others.nationalism, virulent anti-Semitism, and blind deference to authority
one of these things is not like the others.
And no, they do not understand. The completely put the blame on the wrong thing, nationalism. They still completely support blind deference to authority as a culture.
Maybe that ought to change, then.
'FDR Dies In His Third Term'.
Yeah, in the OTL, the german people are culturally broken. Self-hatred might as well be in the very DNA of the average German.
Is that what a nation with a sordid past should be like? To deny that anything could come out of it? To let itself willingly be replaced by "refugees" and "immigrants"?
I do not think so.
Uh-huh. How about you fuck off with your genocide apologia. Because that's what you are spewing here.Being replaced by immigrants isn't the worst thing that can happen if they don't bring over any bad political ideas with them and also don't strain the social safety net too much.
Uh-huh. How about you fuck off with your genocide apologia. Because that's what you are spewing here.
Uh-huh. How about you fuck off with your genocide apologia. Because that's what you are spewing here.
Not exactly.One of polish nationalists before WW2 said,that blacks or indians would be as good poles as any other if we take out culture and religion.And he was right.
If people in Poland eventually get replaced by martians with tentacles who speak polish,live polish culture and go to churches,then Poland would still live.
'Ike Resigns After His 1955 Heart Attack. How Does The 1956 Election Look With President Nixon As The GOP Nominee?'.
'Robert Taft Becomes The 1948 GOP Nominee'.
'Khmer Rouge More Well-Known In The West'.
'AHC: Additional post-WWI plebiscites'
In real life, we had plebiscites in Masuria, Upper Silesia, the Saarland (in 1935), Carinthia, Schleswig, and Sopron after the end of WWI. Is there any realistic way to have additional plebiscites here, and, if so, where exactly?