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Wargamer08

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That only works when you have a balanced media that at least tries to be objective.

The media has proven through its colusion last year that they do not give a shit about objectivity and are partizen shills. At this moment you need people who fight even if their assholes.
If you are taking flak, you must be close to the target. I feel the same way about politics these days. Who is the MSM trying to takedown? They must be doing something right. Even if they are a crazy, they are at least drawing fire off other saner people. If they fight, they get supported. Even if only to buy time for someone better.
 

TyrantTriumphant

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I’ve forgotten which political group has people fighting in the streets? Has people on the ground making sure votes go the right way? Has people convinced that if they don’t vote, judicate the right way that they will riot?

Letting your avowed enemies pick and choose who you toss out is fucking terrible. Likewise trying to state that because you don’t like one particular trait about someone they need to be tossed out is the most hilarious hypocrisy. Right winger holding their noses and letting you in because of common ground agreement is what got you in to begin with. Then demanding that people who, might as claimed by your enemies, have some beliefs you dislike get tossed is as expected. Is the political right wing big tent or not?
The Democrats want to cancel all sorts of people. At least a few of them are bound to hold noxious views.

It's better to focus on what is good for the right instead of what the left thinks. After all, Stalin didn't like Trotsky but that didn't make Trotsky our friend.
 

Wargamer08

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The Democrats want to cancel all sorts of people. At least a few of them are bound to hold noxious views.

It's better to focus on what is good for the right instead of what the left thinks. After all, Stalin didn't like Trotsky but that didn't make Trotsky our friend.
Sure and that’s fair. Using that same analogy, the US spent a whole lot bulking the USSR up so that they would keep fighting the Germans. Some in the US aligned with the Soviets but more just saw them as a useful ally against a worse foe. Once the war was over things changed. Likewise, I’ll hold my nose for a chickenhawk like Ben. Even if I think he spends too long dunking on moronic college students and dodging having a serious opponent.
 

Abhorsen

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Letting your avowed enemies pick and choose who you toss out is fucking terrible. Likewise trying to state that because you don’t like one particular trait about someone they need to be tossed out is the most hilarious hypocrisy. Right winger holding their noses and letting you in because of common ground agreement is what got you in to begin with. Then demanding that people who, might as claimed by your enemies, have some beliefs you dislike get tossed is as expected. Is the political right wing big tent or not?
No. It's called setting standards, and sticking to them regardless of who it is. It's a powerful position to be in. It doesn't matter what they say about her. What matters is what she does. And what she has does is enough to disqualify her.

That only works when you have a balanced media that at least tries to be objective.

The media has proven through its colusion last year that they do not give a shit about objectivity and are partizen shills. At this moment you need people who fight even if their assholes.
No, that's very much not true. It works especially well against such a media. In fact, it is even necessary against such a media. You need to recognize lost battles against such a media, and what is worth defending and what isn't.

Majorie Taylor Greene is an absolute negative for the Republicans, just like Q Anon, and the Capitol Riot. It's stupid, has no payoff for us, while making it easy to smear Republicans.
 

Husky_Khan

The Dog Whistler... I mean Whisperer.
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Only issue I have is the conflation of Rothschilds nonsense with Anti-Semitism. You can be critical of the Rothschilds (even if I think it's mostly a boogeyman) and not be Anti-Semitic or anti-Jewish.

So really it's more of a Rothschilds Giant Space Laser allegedly causing wildfires.
 

Abhorsen

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Only issue I have is the conflation of Rothschilds nonsense with Anti-Semitism. You can be critical of the Rothschilds (even if I think it's mostly a boogeyman) and not be Anti-Semitic or anti-Jewish.

So really it's more of a Rothschilds Giant Space Laser allegedly causing wildfires.
It's focusing on just the Rothschilds exclusively, and not any other banking group, that makes it antisemetic. Jewish Bankers being the problem is a racist trope for a reason, and I see no reason to give the benefit of the doubt.
 

Aldarion

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Only issue I have is the conflation of Rothschilds nonsense with Anti-Semitism. You can be critical of the Rothschilds (even if I think it's mostly a boogeyman) and not be Anti-Semitic or anti-Jewish.

So really it's more of a Rothschilds Giant Space Laser allegedly causing wildfires.

But it is being conflated precisely to use Jews in general as a shield against truthful accusations. Like Ivo Goldstein saying that anyone researching Communist camp in Jasenovac is an anti-Semite and Nazi apologete, Left is always trying to use ITL and non-sequiturs to win its case.

It's focusing on just the Rothschilds exclusively, and not any other banking group, that makes it antisemetic. Jewish Bankers being the problem is a racist trope for a reason, and I see no reason to give the benefit of the doubt.

Rockefeller and Rotschild are some of the most famous ones, though, so it is logical they would be used. In Croatia, we use "Rockefeller" as an adjective meaning "filthy rich".
 

Terthna

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If you are taking flak, you must be close to the target.
Or, in other words, if people are complaining about you accusing them of being white supremacists, than those accusations must be hitting close to home. Do you understand the problem with that logic now?
 

Abhorsen

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Rockefeller and Rotschild are some of the most famous ones, though, so it is logical they would be used. In Croatia, we use "Rockefeller" as an adjective meaning "filthy rich".
That's the thing though. If she also complained about Rockefeller or some other rich family and the Rothschilds, I'd have no problem. But in America, people who hate jews will complain exclusively about the Rothschilds as a see through attempt to hide hating Jews. We see this on the left with complaining that Israel has no right to exist, etc, to hide antisemitism.

When we combine this pattern with every other piece of crap that's come out of MTG's mouth, it means I have no benefit of the doubt to give her.
 

Wargamer08

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Or, in other words, if people are complaining about you accusing them of being white supremacists, than those accusations must be hitting close to home. Do you understand the problem with that logic now?
I’m not sure I understand your logic. I’m not sure what you’re going for here? Complaining to authority is hardly a useful tool these days.

My logic was pretty basic I thought, pay zero attention to claims made by sworn opposition and overlook distasteful traits in allies and co-belligerents until the war is over. Look for fellow travelers from the enemies they make.

The right is super vulnerable to purity spirals so make super sure that someone is totally unworkable before you throw them out. Give one faction the ability to throw someone out for anti-semitism, next it’s for being gay or being pro choice or being religious or not being religious or any number of right wing virtues. No clearly big tent is the way forward. That means letting in as many people as make a basic standard, are you anti-left.
 

ATP

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You know it's funny, because there's a history of Jews coming to America and going 'Wow, there's so much less anti-semitism here.'

Not none. But less of it, and what there was was more 'I personally don't like you' than 'Societal institutions are weaponized against me.'

As Abhorsen said, please top shooting your mouth off about religions you know jack diddly about.

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" - Exod 22,18
Jews ,orthodox and catholic could go over it,but praotestants,al long as they belived,must kill any witch they found.Becouse only Scripture matter for them.
Of course,in Europe it means that state decide what Scripture said,and in USA - every sect leader.

But - back to topic.You say that Marjorje Taylor-Greene is antisemite or not.It not matter - you should check,if she is proamerican,and if she could fight.
If so,she could be anti-whatever,becouse your country is dying now,and you need all able fighters to survive.
Would you be happy if america become Gulag,but without antisemitism? no? i thought so.

Besides - antisemitism is one of many kind of racism,and not worst.There is no reasons to treat it worst then,let say,antipolonism.
 

LordsFire

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"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" - Exod 22,18
Jews ,orthodox and catholic could go over it,but praotestants,al long as they belived,must kill any witch they found.Becouse only Scripture matter for them.
Of course,in Europe it means that state decide what Scripture said,and in USA - every sect leader.

Levitical law for the nation of Israel, not religious law for Christians under the new covenant.

Seriously, every time you shoot your mouth off about these things, it seems like you show how ignorant you are.
 

Terthna

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I’m not sure I understand your logic. I’m not sure what you’re going for here? Complaining to authority is hardly a useful tool these days.

My logic was pretty basic I thought, pay zero attention to claims made by sworn opposition and overlook distasteful traits in allies and co-belligerents until the war is over. Look for fellow travelers from the enemies they make.

The right is super vulnerable to purity spirals so make super sure that someone is totally unworkable before you throw them out. Give one faction the ability to throw someone out for anti-semitism, next it’s for being gay or being pro choice or being religious or not being religious or any number of right wing virtues. No clearly big tent is the way forward. That means letting in as many people as make a basic standard, are you anti-left.
If your sworn opposition told you to not shove a fork into an electrical outlet, would you then think doing so is a good idea? If I then concurred, and pointed out the reasons why that would be a really stupid and dangerous thing to do, would that then make me one of them in your eyes?
 

FriedCFour

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Probably the right idea. Whether an America First caucus is a good idea or not, it's poisoned by being Majorie Taylor Greene's idea, who believes in Jewish Space Lasers.
That’s retarded if you think Republicans attacking them is a good idea in any semblance. An America First Caucus is great, MTG has been dragged through the mud, and Gosar is pretty awesome so I have high hopes for them. This a fantastic caucus in terms of what they want for their platform, and it’s exactly what is needed and must be adopted by the right and quickly if they want to survive. The bad members who need to be thrown out aren’t MTG, it’s the house minority leader, it’s the Neocons, it’s the establishment shills who want to do nothing except for line their pockets and pass pro big business legislature while America degenerates. Read their platform, it’s great. America First is inevitable.
 
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FriedCFour

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Holding anti Semitic views isn't just some minor failing. Such nonsense should be confined to the dustbin of history were it belongs.
There are very large Jewish led and operated organizations centered around the destruction of nationalism in America, that work very hard to kill off traditional America and bring in mass immigration. They openly flaunt their Jewish identity and they use that as a weapon. They as a whole are the wealthiest group of people in America and the vast majority support policies very antithetical to Americanism and will absolutely annihilate people publicly for speaking out against them. More people becoming antisemitic is in large part their fault. Does that mean you should condemn an entire group of people or think they are all one monolithic entity? No, you shouldn’t think that of anyone. But if you are more concerned with anti-semites than with the large organizations working to utilize the label of antisemitism to smear you and everyone else on the right or that has a tiny bit of patriotism or is against open borders, your priorities are all wrong.
 
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Wargamer08

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If your sworn opposition told you to not shove a fork into an electrical outlet, would you then think doing so is a good idea? If I then concurred, and pointed out the reasons why that would be a really stupid and dangerous thing to do, would that then make me one of them in your eyes?
Playgrounds reverse psychology is not what people need to look out for. Nor do you see a lot of it in practice. I would however be deeply suspicious of someone who agreed with them on too many policies. If you need to be told the difference between political ideology and that power sockets are not utensil holders I don’t know what to say.
 

FriedCFour

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Playgrounds reverse psychology is not what people need to look out for. Nor do you see a lot of it in practice. I would however be deeply suspicious of someone who agreed with them on too many policies. If you need to be told the difference between political ideology and that power sockets are not utensil holders I don’t know what to say.
for me it’s just whether or not they can or can’t recognize the three major issues facing the right and it’s survival. That would be opposing big tech, opposing immigration, and pushing for election integrity. If you can do all three it’s worthwhile to support you. If not you shouldn’t.
 

ATP

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Levitical law for the nation of Israel, not religious law for Christians under the new covenant.

Seriously, every time you shoot your mouth off about these things, it seems like you show how ignorant you are.

Yet puritans in USA still killed so-called witches on american soil becouse of it.Becouse they considered themselves "New Israel".

But what important think is what you prefer - save USA with America First help,even if it would be racist just like USA in its zenith was,or let leftist turn USA into gulag without antisemitism?
 

FriedCFour

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Racist and antisemite mostly just exist to smear people and you can never clean yourself up enough or attack yourself enough to meet the standards of the left. Most of the same people who call MTG a Nazi call Ben Shapiro one lol. At this point who cares? Why bother? It’s abundantly accepted to be hateful towards white people, it’s encouraged in many institutions. Write and produce enough hate and you get awards, air time and fame. Stop trying to adhere to left wing values and standards.
 

LordsFire

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Yet puritans in USA still killed so-called witches on american soil becouse of it.Becouse they considered themselves "New Israel".

Yes, and they were wrong to do so, as was admitted by the Puritans later on. The reason we know so well what happened was because they kept the records of their mistakes in order to try to keep it from happening again.
 

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