American Bishops have Entered the Culture Wars

[stephen the barbarian]

i can't see the story, it's behind a pay wall.
can i get a tl;dr?

 

[ATP]

They are significant though; enough that it may cause yet another schism.

Possible,but remember,that those people do not belive in God ,only themselves.So,it would be so different from catholic teaching,that they parctically made new religion.
And it is OK for me,lesbian could be made priests and bless pederasts - as long as they do not named themselves catholics.We have free will,people who really want join Luciper should do so - but not cosplay as christians.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

Possible,but remember,that those people do not belive in God ,only themselves.So,it would be so different from catholic teaching,that they parctically made new religion.
And it is OK for me,lesbian could be made priests and bless pederasts - as long as they do not named themselves catholics.We have free will,people who really want join Luciper should do so - but not cosplay as christians.

They will name themselves Christians. Then they will claim to be the real Christians and the resisters are not Christians.

After all this time, watching as these people seize and destroy space after space do you still not see how these people grab power? They do not create. They subvert, pillage and destroy.

1) Enter the space
2) Denounce the space
3) Redefine the space
4) Purge the dissenters
5) Profit

 

[Husky_Khan]

i can't see the story, it's behind a pay wall.
can i get a tl;dr?

Targeting Biden, Catholic Bishops Advance Controversial Communion Plan

 

[The Original Sixth]

They will name themselves Christians. Then they will claim to be the real Christians and the resisters are not Christians.

After all this time, watching as these people seize and destroy space after space do you still not see how these people grab power? They do not create. They subvert, pillage and destroy.

1) Enter the space
2) Denounce the space
3) Redefine the space
4) Purge the dissenters
5) Profit

See, I don't think that will work. It comes down to several problems.

First and foremost, Liberals are high in two of the six moral dimensions that humans possess. That is Caring and Liberty. They don't think people should be hurt or made to feel hurt. They also care about their own personal freedoms. This is the bedrock of the modern liberal. Conservatives however, operate in all six dimensions of morality. The full six are; Caring, Liberty, Karma, Authority, Loyalty, and Sanctity. Not surprisingly, in Christianity, all six are important--but the least important is Liberty. The last three are arguably some of the most important.

Most of the spaces that SJWs have taken over have been Liberal spaces. Very little of it was focused on Conservative spaces. Instead, what Liberals did to address religion was three-pronged. First, they undermined the Faith by trying to discredit the space. This was done through arguments of evolution and biogenesis. Conservatives didn't help themselves, because the dumbest among them sprang into action and helped to generate an entire online culture dedicated to this argument. The more they argued, the more a younger and more educated Gen Y saw how embarrassing they were and for the sake of not looking stupid, dropped their Faith.

The second aspect to the attack on Faith was denouncing it as being harmful. This was driven primary by the LGBT movement, which accused the Church of discrimination and bigotry. They primarily drove home to Americans, the issues based on the morality of Care and Liberty. It made the Church and the Faith look cruel and uncaring. Gen Y, not wishing to appear as monsters and being more open to different things, slowly accepted the LGBT position--especially because it was based in an argument of biology; that the LGBT people couldn't help what they were.

The Third Aspect was media; a large effort was made by Liberals to make the Christian faith look stupid and backwards. To blame every mortal sin upon Christianity. It profaned the authority of priests and the sanctity of Christ (and God). Once humor was used to breach the sanctity of the Faith, the LGBT and Liberal-Evolutionists did what they could to tear down the rest. The Conservatives repeatedly lashed out and made themselves look worse in the eyes of many Americans. Even those who agreed with their position.

Here's why I don't think that will work this time around.

First, the SJWs and Liberals to some greater extent, have widely abandoned the strongest argument in the Atheist & LGBT movements; that of evolution and strictly grounded science. The mask has stripped away and it is now plain that Liberals have their own agendas, not just one grounded in science, facts, and expertise. They want to award economic benefits based on race, they wish to deny facts for catering to emotional trauma, and they're proven they're willing to use the arm of the law to enforce their beliefs and policies. Even if it's underhanded. And for an added bonus, they burned a good portion of Atheists who supported the movement, because they assumed that they'd simply be improving Western Society by removing religion. Now it seems as though Liberals want to remove Western Society.

Second, the political and economic atmosphere isn't what it was twenty or thirty years ago. It's not as easy for Liberals to slip into a space and redefine it. Slipping into a Liberal space is not as easy as it once was--and slipping into a Conservative dominated space will be met with open hostility. Especially because Liberals are not good at slipping into religious institutions as a whole; it requires a behavior and moral matrix that they simply cannot tolerate. It'd be like asking a US Marine to participate in the destruction of a veteran's graveyard. Where his buddies are buried. Liberal spaces on the other hand, are more prone to caring about the individual and their feelings, which is how SJWs manipulate the system.

Third, the nature of media has changed. The most obvious is that of online platforms, which allowed Conservatives to finally voice an opinion out in the open without being muzzled by liberals. While part of that has reversed now, the fact that these liberal companies now engage in a form of censorship is a double-edged sword. Because now anyone who gets censored for any reason will declare it as an attack upon them and their ideology--not bad behavior. The second and more important change is that media institutions have lost the trust of the public. The most trusted institution in the USA is the police force and the military.

Fourth, the nature of the parties is changing. After Trump's appeals for the election were denied, the liberals practically bragged that the business community had played no small role in blocking Trump. The media and the business community BOTH lobbied judges and politicians to make sure that Trump would not gain the momentum he needed to reach SCOTUS. That caused a rift within the Republicans and now they're removing the business community. And said business community is now trying to move in with the Democrats. Because they refuse to be a swing voting bloc. That will/has resulted in a deepening crack within the Democrats. Because business requires order and stability, which is not what the Liberals want right now. Liberals want to break down the old order and replace it with the new.

Fifth, generations are getting older. Gen Y is not as young as it wants to be. Gen Z is up and coming. And Gen Y is actually growing more conservative more quickly than the previous generations. Speaking of previous generations, the Liberals had hoped that Boomers were going to be part of their great liberal ticket. That hasn't panned out. And as Gen Y continues to wake up and discover that all the liberal promises that were made to them are turning to smoke--if it was indeed anything else, that the material wealth they were promised don't materialize and the effects of old age seep in, they're going to appear less appealing.

Sixth, speaking of age. Age waits for no man. Or liberal. And what was fun and cool in your 20s is not as cool in your 30s. Being single and mingling with lots of different people seems like a lot of fun when you're a woman in your 20s or a guy in your 30s. It's not nearly as much fun when you're a woman in your 30s trying to compete for men in their 30s who want women in their 20s. Nor is it fun for guys who are approaching their 40s, wanting girls in their 20s & 30s, who prefer guys in their 30s. And it becomes terrifying for women who are in their 40s, who realize they will never have children. And for men, who in their 40s, realize they have an increased chance of producing retarded children. The pressure is worse for Gen Y women, many of whose looks are starting to fade in their 30s and they realize that the enlightened liberal men they assumed would be there...are acting like men and trying to date girls barely in their 20s.

This has created a culture of loneliness and misery. One that was driven home by the lockdowns. The response to the lockdowns ending thus far is people wanting to be both outside and to be more interconnected with a community. And small-knit communities are actually areas where conservatives dominate. Especially because it revolves around churches, which means liberals who want to escape the crushing loneliness of old age and find some meaning of fulfillment in a family will probably need to attach themselves to conservative groups. Because Liberals themselves are not good at forming communities.

To understand this, we need to look at social psychology. Humans engage most effectively in groups when there is a sense of loyalty, authority, sanctity, and karma. Sanctity is the thing that stands beyond question and helps to empower authority and loyalty to the group. Karma is especially helpful, because humans like to punish those who step outside the norm. An experiment has shown this to be true; in a game where you could earn money by spending some money and everyone getting a cash payout, participation quickly dropped. When the rules allowed for you to punish those who didn't put money in the pot by spending your own money, participating skyrocketed. Even when you knew that you wouldn't be teamed up with that group again.

Seventh, Liberals are fracturing and will continue to fracture. This is the whole "eat their own" meme you see brandied about. And in this case, it happens to be true. Humans do not do well in diverse environments, because they cannot build trust. What instead happens is that people turtle, growing inward. This doesn't mean that you can't have inclusivity; you can have people of two different ethnic groups merge into one society, but to do so, they must have something unifying to focus on. They need to see how they are the same, not how they're different. As liberals continue to work to stand out from each other, they will continue to splinter into competing ideological groups.

Conclusion -- I think the best strategy right now to deal with liberals is to focus on a unifying, Christian ideology within the Republican party. And to make sure that Trump is NOT the next candidate. Trump is fun, but his personality causes liberals to set aside their differences and vote against him. With Trump out of the picture and instead a conservative religious figure with a national-protectionist bent that isn't overbearing to libertarians, I think we'll find that the Republicans will triumph far more than they will lose. The Christian faith is the only thing that I can think of as a unifying force within the Union. Any attack on it by Liberals can be interpreted as an attack on Hispanics, Catholics, and Blacks.

 

[Terthna]

See, I don't think that will work. It comes down to several problems.

First and foremost, Liberals are high in two of the six moral dimensions that humans possess. That is Caring and Liberty. They don't think people should be hurt or made to feel hurt. They also care about their own personal freedoms. This is the bedrock of the modern liberal. Conservatives however, operate in all six dimensions of morality. The full six are; Caring, Liberty, Karma, Authority, Loyalty, and Sanctity. Not surprisingly, in Christianity, all six are important--but the least important is Liberty. The last three are arguably some of the most important.

Most of the spaces that SJWs have taken over have been Liberal spaces. Very little of it was focused on Conservative spaces. Instead, what Liberals did to address religion was three-pronged. First, they undermined the Faith by trying to discredit the space. This was done through arguments of evolution and biogenesis. Conservatives didn't help themselves, because the dumbest among them sprang into action and helped to generate an entire online culture dedicated to this argument. The more they argued, the more a younger and more educated Gen Y saw how embarrassing they were and for the sake of not looking stupid, dropped their Faith.

The second aspect to the attack on Faith was denouncing it as being harmful. This was driven primary by the LGBT movement, which accused the Church of discrimination and bigotry. They primarily drove home to Americans, the issues based on the morality of Care and Liberty. It made the Church and the Faith look cruel and uncaring. Gen Y, not wishing to appear as monsters and being more open to different things, slowly accepted the LGBT position--especially because it was based in an argument of biology; that the LGBT people couldn't help what they were.

The Third Aspect was media; a large effort was made by Liberals to make the Christian faith look stupid and backwards. To blame every mortal sin upon Christianity. It profaned the authority of priests and the sanctity of Christ (and God). Once humor was used to breach the sanctity of the Faith, the LGBT and Liberal-Evolutionists did what they could to tear down the rest. The Conservatives repeatedly lashed out and made themselves look worse in the eyes of many Americans. Even those who agreed with their position.

Here's why I don't think that will work this time around.

First, the SJWs and Liberals to some greater extent, have widely abandoned the strongest argument in the Atheist & LGBT movements; that of evolution and strictly grounded science. The mask has stripped away and it is now plain that Liberals have their own agendas, not just one grounded in science, facts, and expertise. They want to award economic benefits based on race, they wish to deny facts for catering to emotional trauma, and they're proven they're willing to use the arm of the law to enforce their beliefs and policies. Even if it's underhanded. And for an added bonus, they burned a good portion of Atheists who supported the movement, because they assumed that they'd simply be improving Western Society by removing religion. Now it seems as though Liberals want to remove Western Society.

Second, the political and economic atmosphere isn't what it was twenty or thirty years ago. It's not as easy for Liberals to slip into a space and redefine it. Slipping into a Liberal space is not as easy as it once was--and slipping into a Conservative dominated space will be met with open hostility. Especially because Liberals are not good at slipping into religious institutions as a whole; it requires a behavior and moral matrix that they simply cannot tolerate. It'd be like asking a US Marine to participate in the destruction of a veteran's graveyard. Where his buddies are buried. Liberal spaces on the other hand, are more prone to caring about the individual and their feelings, which is how SJWs manipulate the system.

Third, the nature of media has changed. The most obvious is that of online platforms, which allowed Conservatives to finally voice an opinion out in the open without being muzzled by liberals. While part of that has reversed now, the fact that these liberal companies now engage in a form of censorship is a double-edged sword. Because now anyone who gets censored for any reason will declare it as an attack upon them and their ideology--not bad behavior. The second and more important change is that media institutions have lost the trust of the public. The most trusted institution in the USA is the police force and the military.

Fourth, the nature of the parties is changing. After Trump's appeals for the election were denied, the liberals practically bragged that the business community had played no small role in blocking Trump. The media and the business community BOTH lobbied judges and politicians to make sure that Trump would not gain the momentum he needed to reach SCOTUS. That caused a rift within the Republicans and now they're removing the business community. And said business community is now trying to move in with the Democrats. Because they refuse to be a swing voting bloc. That will/has resulted in a deepening crack within the Democrats. Because business requires order and stability, which is not what the Liberals want right now. Liberals want to break down the old order and replace it with the new.

Fifth, generations are getting older. Gen Y is not as young as it wants to be. Gen Z is up and coming. And Gen Y is actually growing more conservative more quickly than the previous generations. Speaking of previous generations, the Liberals had hoped that Boomers were going to be part of their great liberal ticket. That hasn't panned out. And as Gen Y continues to wake up and discover that all the liberal promises that were made to them are turning to smoke--if it was indeed anything else, that the material wealth they were promised don't materialize and the effects of old age seep in, they're going to appear less appealing.

Sixth, speaking of age. Age waits for no man. Or liberal. And what was fun and cool in your 20s is not as cool in your 30s. Being single and mingling with lots of different people seems like a lot of fun when you're a woman in your 20s or a guy in your 30s. It's not nearly as much fun when you're a woman in your 30s trying to compete for men in their 30s who want women in their 20s. Nor is it fun for guys who are approaching their 40s, wanting girls in their 20s & 30s, who prefer guys in their 30s. And it becomes terrifying for women who are in their 40s, who realize they will never have children. And for men, who in their 40s, realize they have an increased chance of producing retarded children. The pressure is worse for Gen Y women, many of whose looks are starting to fade in their 30s and they realize that the enlightened liberal men they assumed would be there...are acting like men and trying to date girls barely in their 20s.

This has created a culture of loneliness and misery. One that was driven home by the lockdowns. The response to the lockdowns ending thus far is people wanting to be both outside and to be more interconnected with a community. And small-knit communities are actually areas where conservatives dominate. Especially because it revolves around churches, which means liberals who want to escape the crushing loneliness of old age and find some meaning of fulfillment in a family will probably need to attach themselves to conservative groups. Because Liberals themselves are not good at forming communities.

To understand this, we need to look at social psychology. Humans engage most effectively in groups when there is a sense of loyalty, authority, sanctity, and karma. Sanctity is the thing that stands beyond question and helps to empower authority and loyalty to the group. Karma is especially helpful, because humans like to punish those who step outside the norm. An experiment has shown this to be true; in a game where you could earn money by spending some money and everyone getting a cash payout, participation quickly dropped. When the rules allowed for you to punish those who didn't put money in the pot by spending your own money, participating skyrocketed. Even when you knew that you wouldn't be teamed up with that group again.

Seventh, Liberals are fracturing and will continue to fracture. This is the whole "eat their own" meme you see brandied about. And in this case, it happens to be true. Humans do not do well in diverse environments, because they cannot build trust. What instead happens is that people turtle, growing inward. This doesn't mean that you can't have inclusivity; you can have people of two different ethnic groups merge into one society, but to do so, they must have something unifying to focus on. They need to see how they are the same, not how they're different. As liberals continue to work to stand out from each other, they will continue to splinter into competing ideological groups.

Conclusion -- I think the best strategy right now to deal with liberals is to focus on a unifying, Christian ideology within the Republican party. And to make sure that Trump is NOT the next candidate. Trump is fun, but his personality causes liberals to set aside their differences and vote against him. With Trump out of the picture and instead a conservative religious figure with a national-protectionist bent that isn't overbearing to libertarians, I think we'll find that the Republicans will triumph far more than they will lose. The Christian faith is the only thing that I can think of as a unifying force within the Union. Any attack on it by Liberals can be interpreted as an attack on Hispanics, Catholics, and Blacks.

Trump did not lose because the regressive left banded together and got more votes; he lost because the election was rigged. Thus, any plan that relies on banding enough people together to vote for a particular candidate is doomed to failure. In addition, the conservatives are not nearly as unified as you're asserting; the 2020 election fraud exposed a lot of division that has only grown since then, between those who stubbornly believe in the system, and those who recognize that it's no longer fit for purpose. Then there's the fact that not everyone who banded together to resist the regressive left is a conservative; and a large portion of us would refuse to support a strongly ideological Christian candidate.

All in all; your conclusion is based on faulty assumptions, and has no chance of working out in reality.

 

[Bacle]

Trump did not lose because the regressive left banded together and got more votes; he lost because the election was rigged. Thus, any plan that relies on banding enough people together to vote for a particular candidate is doomed to failure. In addition, the conservatives are not nearly as unified as you're asserting; the 2020 election fraud exposed a lot of division that has only grown since then, between those who stubbornly believe in the system, and those who recognize that it's no longer fit for purpose. Then there's the fact that not everyone who banded together to resist the regressive left is a conservative; and a large portion of us would refuse to support a strongly ideological Christian candidate.

All in all; your conclusion is based on faulty assumptions, and has no chance of working out in reality.

Yep, his whole plan is operating on a few assumptions that, frankly, don't bear out in reality.

None of his points can make up for election rigging, the power of corporations who go woke, or the courts going woke as well.

Retreating to the Church sounds good to old-style conservatives, but won't make much ground against the power the Left has in the institutions, courts, and corporations of this nation.

 

[Buba]

For too long the episcopacy has licked the asses of the political class, the classic mutually beneficial "throne and altar" cronyism. This coseing up to politicos (and gangsters) is costing the Church support.
Not that I really care, not being Catholic, but IMO the likes of Biden (and hordes of European politicians) etc. should had been excommunicated years ago.

As to Trump - sorry for my ignorant European's input - the election was rigged to tip the scales with collusion of the US's political class regardless of official affiliation - the way I see things Donny (besides his all other faults) simply was from outside the inner circle and was upsetting the cart too much.

 

[ATP]

First you need to be sure that next elections could not be rigged.At least in red states and those which could be win.
If it fail - your only hope is win cyvil war.
But,it is good,that catholics bishops finally did what is right.Till now,i thought that catholic church in USA is taken by lavenda mafia and turned into lgbt +52.

 

[Cherico]

Honestly looking back on it I think the straw that broke the camals back was the lock downs.

When the democrats violated the catholic churches first amendment rights in a very public way by shutting them down while declaring strip clubs and bars to be essential.

You litterally could not give the church a bigger insult and middle finger, thats the kind of shit that starts religious wars this response is when you think about it positively mild compared to the shear insult that was bestowed upon the catholic church.

 

[Buba]

When the democrats violated the catholic churches first amendment rights in a very public way by shutting them down while declaring strip clubs and bars to be essential.

A retired - hence more outspoken - Polish churchman (ex-bishop?) quipped that Covid is a very pious and godfearing virus, hence it tends to congregate in Churches. And not in e.g. shopping malls.

 

[King Arts]

Yep, his whole plan is operating on a few assumptions that, frankly, don't bear out in reality.

None of his points can make up for election rigging, the power of corporations who go woke, or the courts going woke as well.

Retreating to the Church sounds good to old-style conservatives, but won't make much ground against the power the Left has in the institutions, courts, and corporations of this nation.

Actually you are wrong you are thinking from a 1st world modern mild version of religion. But if we went to how we were in the past, how the Muslims still are. Then no the power of the Church of faith is strong. Andrew Jackson once told the court to enforce it's decision and it was powerless. If Christians were actually willing to follow the advice of King saint Louis "A Christian should argue with a blasphemer only by running his sword as far into his bowels as he can." Then the right wing would regain power, it would control the military the police, the people with guns, and then it could replace CEO's and judges with those who issue the correct rulings instead of those who promote child trannies.

 

[LordsFire]

Actually you are wrong you are thinking from a 1st world modern mild version of religion. But if we went to how we were in the past, how the Muslims still are. Then no the power of the Church of faith is strong. Andrew Jackson once told the court to enforce it's decision and it was powerless. If Christians were actually willing to follow the advice of King saint Louis "A Christian should argue with a blasphemer only by running his sword as far into his bowels as he can." Then the right wing would regain power, it would control the military the police, the people with guns, and then it could replace CEO's and judges with those who issue the correct rulings instead of those who promote child trannies.

You are looking a lot like a glowie right now.

Seriously, 'Violate every part of Christ's teachings and kill non-Christians.'

Sure, that totally sounds like both a good idea and an effective tactic! Definitely not something that would result in rampant bloodshed, anarchy, and social collapse.

 

[King Arts]

You are looking a lot like a glowie right now.

Seriously, 'Violate every part of Christ's teachings and kill non-Christians.'

Sure, that totally sounds like both a good idea and an effective tactic! Definitely not something that would result in rampant bloodshed, anarchy, and social collapse.

It would not result in social collapse. Did you forget the part where there were nations in the past that took Christianity seriously. Also no that is not ignoring Christ’s teachings. Saying that is dishonest because you and most people don’t believe that. Unless you are saying you are a pacifist and it’s always wrong to be violent even if your family or beliefs are insulted?

 

[Zachowon]

It would not result in social collapse. Did you forget the part where there were nations in the past that took Christianity seriously. Also no that is not ignoring Christ’s teachings. Saying that is dishonest because you and most people don’t believe that. Unless you are saying you are a pacifist and it’s always wrong to be violent even if your family or beliefs are insulted?

And catholics and Protestants have killed each other for a long time as well.

And yes it would end in total collapse because there are Christians who would fight against that.

 

[The Original Sixth]

Trump did not lose because the regressive left banded together and got more votes; he lost because the election was rigged.

I'm a little more cautious about calling things like that until I see some definitive proof. I got burned by Powell. The only really dirty method that I can see definitive proof for, was the Democrats putting in mail-in-voting to boost their numbers, then using the courts and businesses to play defense against the Trump Campaign, which probably would have thrown a lot of them out.

Thus, any plan that relies on banding enough people together to vote for a particular candidate is doomed to failure.

No it isn't?

In addition, the conservatives are not nearly as unified as you're asserting; the 2020 election fraud exposed a lot of division that has only grown since then, between those who stubbornly believe in the system, and those who recognize that it's no longer fit for purpose.

I've already agreed that there was a great deal of division.

Then there's the fact that not everyone who banded together to resist the regressive left is a conservative; and a large portion of us would refuse to support a strongly ideological Christian candidate.

All in all; your conclusion is based on faulty assumptions, and has no chance of working out in reality.

I would argue that your criticism is based on not understanding what a growing trend is. Or where that trend is leading. I would argue that your criticism is based in ignorance of human group psychology and morality. I would argue that your criticism is based in bitterness at having gotten screwed last election and assuming that the same will happen next election.

First, PEW research shows that Catholics trend towards Republican these days.

Religious Landscape Study

Explore the geographic distribution and demographics of America's major religious groups.

www.pewforum.org

Democrats were once a solid Democrat voting bloc, decades ago. Then it split, and now there appears to be a trend of shifting towards Republican. Does that mean that every Catholic will vote Republican? No. But there is a strong indicator that this is the case.

Second, social psychology predicts that liberals will undercut themselves and this has held true in the past few decades. Liberals, because they are open to new things, are high in caring, and care deeply about personal liberty, will continue to push diversity programs and proposals. Those have negative effects. Mainly in that when people do not see themselves as one group, they withdraw into themselves. Resentment and anger towards others grows when diversity is pushed to the forefront of their minds. This is in contrast to conservatives, who prefer to focus on policies that create a strong, binding community.

This is further complicated by the existing democrat voting blocs. Greens, socialists, single mothers, young voters, black voters, and so on. An individual candidate can't really win them all over on policy. They need a sort of cult of personality (similar to Trump or Obama) to draw them in together.

Third, the Republicans have already responded to last election by pushing for electoral reform on the state level, where thus far, the Democrats have struggled to combat them. The Republican party will be very watchful in the next few elections for any sort of hint of tampering.

So when I look at this situation and I see that the evolving Republican party will probably move left economically and remain right socially--and I know that one of the few identities that the Democratic party hasn't stained is Christianity. And I also know that a direct attack on Christianity will backfire horribly as moderates who are still Christian won't appreciate that sort of behavior. It may also lead to more infighting as Democratic Catholics are caught in the middle.

So I see there being a really good reason to have some faith in Christianity regaining ground in the US and being impart, the center of a new Republican coalition.

 

[LordsFire]

It would not result in social collapse. Did you forget the part where there were nations in the past that took Christianity seriously. Also no that is not ignoring Christ’s teachings. Saying that is dishonest because you and most people don’t believe that. Unless you are saying you are a pacifist and it’s always wrong to be violent even if your family or beliefs are insulted?

To quote your quote:
"A Christian should argue with a blasphemer only by running his sword as far into his bowels as he can."

This violates Christ's teachings on every level.

There was one time Jesus was violent. It was to drive the moneychangers and the like out of the temple. He did not kill them, we aren't given any information even about him maiming or substantially injuring anyone. He just drove them out.

There is a time and a place for executions and judicial violence in Christian morality and teaching. It is not running a blasphemer through for being a blasphemer. Not least because that would mean running everyone through, including oneself.

 

[King Arts]

And catholics and Protestants have killed each other for a long time as well.

And yes it would end in total collapse because there are Christians who would fight against that.

Yes but that's not social collapse. That just results in a new social order. One with kids not being forced to do transgender sex changed.

To quote your quote:
"A Christian should argue with a blasphemer only by running his sword as far into his bowels as he can."

This violates Christ's teachings on every level.

There was one time Jesus was violent. It was to drive the moneychangers and the like out of the temple. He did not kill them, we aren't given any information even about him maiming or substantially injuring anyone. He just drove them out.

There is a time and a place for executions and judicial violence in Christian morality and teaching. It is not running a blasphemer through for being a blasphemer. Not least because that would mean running everyone through, including oneself.

No it does not violate Christ's teachings. Using your logic you can argue that not allowing homosexuality is against Christ's teachings because he did not speak about gay sex. But only an ignorant person would say that, because Christ did say to kill blasphemers. Leviticus 24:16
"anyone who blasphemes the name of the Lord is to be put to death. The entire assembly must stone them. Whether foreigner or native-born, when they blaspheme the Name they are to be put to death."

Jesus is God, so he was there when giving the old law, he was there raining fire on Sodom and Gomorrah. Jesus isn't separate from God the father there is one God.

Also many people who are against blasphemy punishments are saying it because either they are hypocrites, or they don't love God as much as they should. If someone insulted your wife and family, or they insulted the American flag, or disgraced soldiers at a memorial or something like that, many of you would support beating him down. Yet Jesus tells you that you should love God the most, more than your family, more than your nation. Why are you willing to be violent for insults to your family or nation but not for God?
Unless you are a dedicated pacifist then this complaint does not apply, but most people aren't.

 

[Simonbob]

against blasphemy punishments

I'm not Christian, but, it's been pointed out that the UK currently has stronger Blasphemy- Sorry, Hate Speech Laws than most of the Middle East.

They call it something different, but it's the same thing.






The problem with SJW stuff is it's pretty much a faith. They're completely unthinking in it's defense. Until people stop caring what they say, and start dishing out more pain than they can take, they will refuse to bend.

A good Christian is going to have to be simply utterly unwilling to bend in the face of those who would manipulate and destroy them. This is heading towards the Roman model, where being willing to martyr yourself, unflinching in the face of horror, is the best tool to turn those who might have the Left faith, but are not happy inside it. (As many are)


As for Bishops? They're at least 50% politician. Good luck getting them to make a serious stand.



But, I've been wrong before. Hope I'm wrong again.

 

[LordsFire]

Yes but that's not social collapse. That just results in a new social order. One with kids not being forced to do transgender sex changed.


No it does not violate Christ's teachings. Using your logic you can argue that not allowing homosexuality is against Christ's teachings because he did not speak about gay sex. But only an ignorant person would say that, because Christ did say to kill blasphemers. Leviticus 24:16
"anyone who blasphemes the name of the Lord is to be put to death. The entire assembly must stone them. Whether foreigner or native-born, when they blaspheme the Name they are to be put to death."

Jesus is God, so he was there when giving the old law, he was there raining fire on Sodom and Gomorrah. Jesus isn't separate from God the father there is one God.

You don't even seem to be aware of the difference between the laws given to the nation of Israel, which was to be directly ruled as a theocracy by God in a covenant, and the new covenant that Jesus established not between God and a nation, but all who become disciples of Christ.

Where 'Love your enemies,' 'if a man strikes you on one cheek, turn and present him with the other,' and 'pray for those who persecute you' are the new commandments.

This is basic, bread-and-butter type theology for Christians. If you don't understand this stuff, you have no comprehension of Christianity at all.