American Bishops have Entered the Culture Wars

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It seems that purporting to be a Catholic and supporting things that the Church deems to be immoral, may actually have future consequences.


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The decision immediately drew criticism from 60 Catholic Democrats in Congress, who urged the bishops “to not move forward and deny this most holy of all sacraments” and who challenged the bishops by outlining their own commitment to “making real the basic principles that are at the heart of Catholic social teaching.”

Translation: "What's so bad appealing to the Catholic faith while at the same time denouncing its teachings?"

Because you know, it's okay to use the Church as a tool to gather voters, but God forbid you actually get rebuked for promoting things that will get Church members excommunicated.
 
It appears Ted Lieu has jumped into the fray, with an amusing rant.


He's "daring" Catholic bishops to deny him Communion. I say they honor that request.
 
The Christian churches are about to be torn to pieces. On one side will be the Striver church. This church will have institutional power and control most of the official structures. It will be iconoclastic, feminised and gay, worshipping a black jesus with a carefully edited ADL approved bible. This church will control the bricks and mortar and much of the money, but it will preside over a sterile and old congregation. Their theology will be watered down into meaninglessness, and most of them will rapidly become post-christian.

The second church will be the Deplorable Church. The Deplorable Church will keep a much more traditional faith. It will be subject to constant deplatforming, legal challenges and physical attacks. The worst persecutors of the Deplorable Church will be the Striver Church. But the Deplorable Church will grow and endure. Once the Striver Churches collapse, they will leave behind an ashen waste, and in this waste the Deplorable church will find fertile ground to plant the seeds for the future of Christianity.
 
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nice to have you back sixth


also this is just the begining, religion in general going in historical cycles should start roaring back to life in a couple decades.

It may come back sooner in the USA. I can't help but notice that liberals have worked to undermine all forms of social identity outside of race, gender, and sexual orientation. At this point, I think the one thing most Americans have in common is that they're some variation of Christian. Ironically, the thing that liberals targeted at the beginning may be the one thing that sweeps up and drowns them.

It appears Ted Lieu has jumped into the fray, with an amusing rant.


He's "daring" Catholic bishops to deny him Communion. I say they honor that request.

I think Ted Lieu's outrage is more interesting than any response he might be given. The fact that Hispanic Catholics are sliding into the Republican camp, the fact that Catholics in general are sliding toward the Republican camp, is not a good sign for the Democrats. His reaction, as well as those within the Democratic party's response to this, seems to indicate that they believe it to be a hard blow. I expect because now they'll start losing more Catholic votes.
 
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It may come back sooner in the USA. I can't help but notice that liberals have worked to undermine all forms of social identity outside of race, gender, and sexual orientation. At this point, I think the one thing most Americans have in common is that they're some variation of Christian. Ironically, the thing that liberals targeted at the beginning may be the one thing that sweeps up and drowns them.

It would not even be the first time that has happened in human history.
 
The Christian churches are about to be torn to pieces. On one side will be the Striver church. This church will have institutional power and control most of the official structures. It will be iconoclastic, feminised and gay, worshipping a black jesus with a carefully edited ADL approved bible. This church will control the bricks and mortar and much of the money, but it will preside over a sterile and old congregation. thier theology theology will be watered down into meaninglessness, and most of them will rapidly become post-christian.

The second church will be the Deplorable Church. The Deplorable Church will keep a much more traditional faith. It will be subject to constant deplatforming, legal challenges and physical attacks. The worst persecutors of the Deplorable Church will be the Striver Church. But the Deplorable Church will grow and endure. Once the Striver Churches collapse, they will leave behind an ashen waste, and in this waste the Deplorable church will find fertile ground to plant the seeds for the future of Christianity.

I don't think you will.

Liberals are high in caring and liberty and they tend to be hyperfocused on the individual. They're also very low in Authority, Loyalty, and Sanctity. That is not something that will allow them to maintain a strong, united Christian group. And I think with a fracturing American identity, the most uniting force will probably be Christianity. And it's obvious to me that Liberals will continue to chase Catholics away, because they cannot understand the idea of an individual giving up freedoms and their own personal wants for a larger group identity.

I think we'll have a self-feeding loop where American Bishops rebuke liberals, which leads to liberals lashing out, which in turn leads to them being rebuked. Catholics will either be forced to leave the Church...or leave the Democrats.
 
The Christian churches are about to be torn to pieces. On one side will be the Striver church. This church will have institutional power and control most of the official structures. It will be iconoclastic, feminised and gay, worshipping a black jesus with a carefully edited ADL approved bible. This church will control the bricks and mortar and much of the money, but it will preside over a sterile and old congregation. thier theology theology will be watered down into meaninglessness, and most of them will rapidly become post-christian.

The second church will be the Deplorable Church. The Deplorable Church will keep a much more traditional faith. It will be subject to constant deplatforming, legal challenges and physical attacks. The worst persecutors of the Deplorable Church will be the Striver Church. But the Deplorable Church will grow and endure. Once the Striver Churches collapse, they will leave behind an ashen waste, and in this waste the Deplorable church will find fertile ground to plant the seeds for the future of Christianity.

'Will' is not the correct term.

'Has already been happening for at least a decade' is a more accurate descriptor.
 
It seems that purporting to be a Catholic and supporting things that the Church deems to be immoral, may actually have future consequences.


Favorite part:



Translation: "What's so bad appealing to the Catholic faith while at the same time denouncing its teachings?"

Because you know, it's okay to use the Church as a tool to gather voters, but God forbid you actually get rebuked for promoting things that will get Church members excommunicated.
I'm agnostic, and I still say good on the Catholic Church for actually standing up for its principals. And I do very much see it as these politicians essentially just virtue signalling. They'll say, "I can't be anti-religion; I'm Catholic." So it's good to see these people get called out if nothing else.
 
I'm agnostic, and I still say good on the Catholic Church for actually standing up for its principals. And I do very much see it as these politicians essentially just virtue signalling. They'll say, "I can't be anti-religion; I'm Catholic." So it's good to see these people get called out if nothing else.

Exactly. I'm not Catholic either, but what these politicians have been getting away with is absurd. You can't go around claiming to be Catholic, but then encouraging other people to get abortions and actively making it easy for them to do so.
 
The Christian churches are about to be torn to pieces. On one side will be the Striver church. This church will have institutional power and control most of the official structures. It will be iconoclastic, feminised and gay, worshipping a black jesus with a carefully edited ADL approved bible. This church will control the bricks and mortar and much of the money, but it will preside over a sterile and old congregation. thier theology theology will be watered down into meaninglessness, and most of them will rapidly become post-christian.

The second church will be the Deplorable Church. The Deplorable Church will keep a much more traditional faith. It will be subject to constant deplatforming, legal challenges and physical attacks. The worst persecutors of the Deplorable Church will be the Striver Church. But the Deplorable Church will grow and endure. Once the Striver Churches collapse, they will leave behind an ashen waste, and in this waste the Deplorable church will find fertile ground to plant the seeds for the future of Christianity.

I have just started going to a Latin Mass every other week. The difference between the Catholics there and the Catholics in other Masses I've been to are striking:

There are much more people in their 20s-30s with more than two children, and they really believe.
 
I suspect that there will be some interesting demographic shifts within the Catholic Church over the next decade or so, based on my own observations.

Attendance at all of our masses at my parish follows an interesting pattern, we have the very elderly, then we have a very large number of young couples with their children and an even larger number of college aged kids. There's a dearth of middle aged folks.

And the younger generations are *far* more traditional minded than the older, and at our parish the elders are quite traditional indeed.
 
I suspect that there will be some interesting demographic shifts within the Catholic Church over the next decade or so, based on my own observations.

Attendance at all of our masses at my parish follows an interesting pattern, we have the very elderly, then we have a very large number of young couples with their children and an even larger number of college aged kids. There's a dearth of middle aged folks.

And the younger generations are *far* more traditional minded than the older, and at our parish the elders are quite traditional indeed.

I suspect it's a result of liberal's habit of destroying group identities, out of the interest of protecting individuals and their feelings. I think that has led to a sense of emptiness and loss. In the 2000s and 2010s liberals tried to address this with materialism, but that has run its course. Video games, movies, tablets, smart phones, ect--they're all boring now and people are looking around and realizing that their lives are empty and meaningless. What's the point of having an amazing career? So you're a better tool for a multi-national company that had to be strong-armed into granting you time off to have a kid? So you can spend an entire life without a family? With men and women who value you less every year?

When I look back on the Atheist movement now, what once seemed like a growing ideological force has effectively died. In 2012, it was pretty much the consensus of the media and the internet at large that Christianity was a spent force gasping out its last dying breath. Now, not only is Atheism not even talked about, it was devoured by its own liberal party. Ironically, Christianity may have remained down for the count. It had been regularly humiliated and proven to be poorly adapted to the early 21st century issues. It had suffered scandals.

Then I think liberals made a mistake. Having, in their mind, broken the back of Christianity, they moved onto the last broad group identity; nationalism. Starting around 2015-2016, we saw a greater focus on racial issues, greater focus on LGBT issues, an even greater focus on gender issues (which had interestingly, wrecked Atheism), and sexual orientation (not to mention, identity). When you look at all the Hispanics, Black, and European groups that live within the United States, what do we have in common?

We aren't allowed to share a history anymore. Our history has been turned into a weapon into which to attack each other. We aren't ethnically the same, because we're a settler society with recent spikes in immigration. We aren't even allowed to enjoy our hobbies, because that needs to become political as well. From Marvel to DC to Lord of the Rings, nothing is allowed to remain free of politics. Everything has to be a commentary or rather, a condemnation of another group.

The only thing left is...religion. Blacks, Whites, and Hispanics...we are all Christians. It's a concept that surpasses nationality. Even if you disagree on specific policies, religion is a uniting idea. And where as Liberal tendencies push people towards breaking away with religious groups (as they're low in Authority, Loyalty, and Sanctity--but high in Liberty and Caring), I think you'll have weakening liberal churches replaced with conservative churches.

Which leads me to assume that liberals may try to bring back the Atheist movement. But I think they'll be met with less success. We already saw what was on the other side of secular life; lonely, empty materialism in a world with less and less wealth.
 
I suspect it's a result of liberal's habit of destroying group identities, out of the interest of protecting individuals and their feelings. I think that has led to a sense of emptiness and loss. In the 2000s and 2010s liberals tried to address this with materialism, but that has run its course. Video games, movies, tablets, smart phones, ect--they're all boring now and people are looking around and realizing that their lives are empty and meaningless. What's the point of having an amazing career? So you're a better tool for a multi-national company that had to be strong-armed into granting you time off to have a kid? So you can spend an entire life without a family? With men and women who value you less every year?

When I look back on the Atheist movement now, what once seemed like a growing ideological force has effectively died. In 2012, it was pretty much the consensus of the media and the internet at large that Christianity was a spent force gasping out its last dying breath. Now, not only is Atheism not even talked about, it was devoured by its own liberal party. Ironically, Christianity may have remained down for the count. It had been regularly humiliated and proven to be poorly adapted to the early 21st century issues. It had suffered scandals.

Then I think liberals made a mistake. Having, in their mind, broken the back of Christianity, they moved onto the last broad group identity; nationalism. Starting around 2015-2016, we saw a greater focus on racial issues, greater focus on LGBT issues, an even greater focus on gender issues (which had interestingly, wrecked Atheism), and sexual orientation (not to mention, identity). When you look at all the Hispanics, Black, and European groups that live within the United States, what do we have in common?

We aren't allowed to share a history anymore. Our history has been turned into a weapon into which to attack each other. We aren't ethnically the same, because we're a settler society with recent spikes in immigration. We aren't even allowed to enjoy our hobbies, because that needs to become political as well. From Marvel to DC to Lord of the Rings, nothing is allowed to remain free of politics. Everything has to be a commentary or rather, a condemnation of another group.

The only thing left is...religion. Blacks, Whites, and Hispanics...we are all Christians. It's a concept that surpasses nationality. Even if you disagree on specific policies, religion is a uniting idea. And where as Liberal tendencies push people towards breaking away with religious groups (as they're low in Authority, Loyalty, and Sanctity--but high in Liberty and Caring), I think you'll have weakening liberal churches replaced with conservative churches.

Which leads me to assume that liberals may try to bring back the Atheist movement. But I think they'll be met with less success. We already saw what was on the other side of secular life; lonely, empty materialism in a world with less and less wealth.

No. they will converge the churches. Real iconoclasm, edited bibles, gay stuff everywhere, female clergy, massive heresy etc.
etc. Non conforming churches will be physically attacked, deplatformed and sued. CRT will be applied to theology and religion to divide the white and non-white parishioners.
 
No. they will converge the churches. Real iconoclasm, edited bibles, gay stuff everywhere, female clergy, massive heresy etc.
etc. Non conforming churches will be physically attacked, deplatformed and sued. CRT will be applied to theology and religion to divide the white and non-white parishioners.

And what evidence do you have to support that this will be the case? Catholics have been sliding over towards Republicans for decades. Evangelicals are closing ranks with Catholics in the US. Liberals have really no good hold on religion...because they've worked to destroy religion and denounce its importance over the past decades.
 
They are significant though; enough that it may cause yet another schism.


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