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United States Anti-Semitism in the United States (and elsewhere)
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DarthOne
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I wonder if they'll try to make her a unsung heroine who 'fell victim to the alt-right's rising influence' in a couple years when people have forgotten stuff.
Mind you, we might all have more pressing concerns by then.
Look, if I was part of a demographic that has been hated on throughout thousands of years I would seriously wonder if maybe- just maybe- it was something I was doing.
Or I could say the problem is with every other demographic, civilization, and time period.
As a white straight male where does the bashing against me ultimately come from?
Problem is, you cannot save a determined suicide. I have first hand experience with THAT.
Or I could say the problem is with every other demographic, civilization, and time period.
As a white straight male where does the bashing against me ultimately come from?
Problem is, you cannot save a determined suicide. I have first hand experience with THAT.
We jews are a middle man minority.
Other middle men minority like the armenians, lebonese, and koreans in north america and the chinese in south asia deal with the exact same issues.
AnimalNoodles
Well-known member
That's unfortunate. I was hoping for her to last at least through the election. As it is, the golem got a good yank on its chain, and whether or not its actually still under control, I suspect most American Jews will think it is.
After all, nobody thinks Gay would have gone down if she'd actively advocated white genocide, much less merely equivocated over others doing so.
After all, nobody thinks Gay would have gone down if she'd actively advocated white genocide, much less merely equivocated over others doing so.
King Arts
Well-known member
Well on the bright side with your own state hopefully the Jews will stop being a middle man minority and be just like every other group since they have their own country.
That's certainly part of the home, further one of the reasons that, despite the recent uptick, the US has been more welcoming to Jews and less anti-semetic is they don't have that same history of being the middle-man minority in the US. Rather, the Jews were historically one of the earliest examples of a successful US integration and multiculturalism, and I don't mean in the modern sense.
Bear in mind, there's been a Jewish minority community in the US since the Colonial Period, and those Jews were very much aware and worried about the direction of the fledgling Republic, to the point that the largest synagogue at the time actually wrote to President Washington. In the exchange Washington made it clear that he, at least, thought that the Constitutional right to Freedom of Religion, etc. applied to Jews and that he hoped that the Jews would find prosperity and security in the new Republic.
And... well... that more or less set the tone for Jewish/American relations going forward up to the late 19th / early 20th century. While there was some cultural antisemitism and certain institutions did things to try and keep Jews out, the governments of the US never supported it and by the mid-19th century there were openly practicing Jews serving in the Federal Senate. So integrated as a community were the Jews that they too were divided by the Great Question of the 19th Century: that of slavery. With Jews who lived in the South siding with their fellow Southerners (like said aforementioned Jewish Senator, who later went on to be a part of the government of the Confederate States of America serving as both the Confederate Secretary of Treasury and later Secretary of State... yeah... not exactly a strong culture of antisemitism in the US) while Jews in the Northern states sided with the northern States.
You didn't see a massive rising in antisemitism in the US until the later 19th century and early 20th when Jews made up a major part of the immigration from Europe, specifically part of the waves from Eastern Europe, and even then this was more generic anti-immigrant sentiment that was directed against all the major waves of immigrants that came over at that time (see how Polish and Irish immigrants were treated in the same period and it wasn't that different from the Jewish).
Like those waves of immigrants those Jews too integrated into the US culture, arguably easier than the Irish or Poles did, as they already had a foundational group to attach to.
This is a big reason why Jews in the US are so caught up by the idea of multiculturalism. The US was the first major western nation to treat them even marginally well, and they attribute that to the ideal of multiculturalism, and so tend to continue to support it without realizing that a large part of the success of US multiculturalism comes from later integration and Americanization. Because the Jews have always been part of the American Republic though, and its laws and structures were literally constructed with them as a minority in mind, they were inherently integrated without realizing they were integrated, and so they don't push integration as they misunderstand what it means to be integrated...
Except the other groups aren't pushing leftism like feminism nor groups like the SPLC saying only white people can be racist, or...
You have to stop whining about being blameless victims. If you ever want me to speak up for you then YOU had better start doing so for me, even against your own. If not...why should I?
You are right.
You also are right.Koreans minority do not support lgbt madness.
Allanon, chill out a bit. Cherico can't phone up the Elders of Zion and pass your warning along, or anything like that.
And while Diaspora Jews seem to have a knack for making themselves unwelcome, they are far, far from the worst offenders in that regard.
An old man in a village somewhere in Eastern Europe was asked to tell what he remembered of World War 2:
"When the Germans came looking we hid the Jews. Then we went out and helped the SS round up the Gypsies!"
Look, it's about time Jews realize that their behavior causes them a lot of their misery. I've been banned just for criticizing them while my demographic gets bashed endlessly, and guess what names I usually find behind it? Make a list of prominent feminists and you won't see many Japanese Buddhists there.
It also did not help European Jews that Jews were prominent in funding and forming the Soviet Union, this giving the world the Holodomor. Germany, if you look at a map of the WW2 era, had a front row seat to it all. Had European Jews protested the Soviet Union's cruelty instead of often supporting the Soviet Union and Communism then things would surely have gone much differently.
Yes, I'm saying this. Think of me as the guy trying to keep someone from driving drunk again- that does NOT make me an enemy, but someone trying to prevent trouble in the future.
It also did not help European Jews that Jews were prominent in funding and forming the Soviet Union, this giving the world the Holodomor. Germany, if you look at a map of the WW2 era, had a front row seat to it all. Had European Jews protested the Soviet Union's cruelty instead of often supporting the Soviet Union and Communism then things would surely have gone much differently.
Yes, I'm saying this. Think of me as the guy trying to keep someone from driving drunk again- that does NOT make me an enemy, but someone trying to prevent trouble in the future.
One of many reasons,why we poles could be antisemites:
Izrael Ajzenman ,commie before WW2 in Poland,4 times send to prison for common crimes.
Commander of commie band,which bigger achievent was attacking small town Drzewica 22.1.1943 and murdering 7 civilians there.He also steal furs,wedding rings, and wrist watches.
In commie history it was written as attack on german post/which never existed there/ and killing 7 germans/there was no germans there/
He also say that he fight 44 times with germans,destroyed 19 trains,and in only one fight killed 40 gestapo agents.
All of that was of course bullshit.
After WW2 go to soviet secret police which tortured poles,but he stealed and raped too much even for them,so they send him to prison - but,becouse he become informer and had friends in upper eschelons,they let him go.
After that,he changed name and as Julian Kaniewski become rich man thanks to working for commies.
Sad thing is - that was average history of average jew who remained in Poland.Honest one mostly left for Palestine after 1945/not 1968 - then our commies go there/
Izrael Ajzenman ,commie before WW2 in Poland,4 times send to prison for common crimes.
Commander of commie band,which bigger achievent was attacking small town Drzewica 22.1.1943 and murdering 7 civilians there.He also steal furs,wedding rings, and wrist watches.
In commie history it was written as attack on german post/which never existed there/ and killing 7 germans/there was no germans there/
He also say that he fight 44 times with germans,destroyed 19 trains,and in only one fight killed 40 gestapo agents.
All of that was of course bullshit.
After WW2 go to soviet secret police which tortured poles,but he stealed and raped too much even for them,so they send him to prison - but,becouse he become informer and had friends in upper eschelons,they let him go.
After that,he changed name and as Julian Kaniewski become rich man thanks to working for commies.
Sad thing is - that was average history of average jew who remained in Poland.Honest one mostly left for Palestine after 1945/not 1968 - then our commies go there/
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
The problem with what you're saying isn't that there are not individuals who fit the description; a number of notable early communists, and hell, even fascists, were jewish!
The problem is that you're subscribing to collectivist ideology when you treat it as 'jews' in general, not specific individuals. Ben Shapiro is no more responsible for what George Soros does, than I am for what Joe Biden does.
Don't let that kind of thinking get to you. If specific individuals are causing problems, focus on that problem. If specific organizations, even organizations that have ethnic membership requirements, are responsible for certain problems, focus on the organization that's the problem.
I don't want to hear 'the jews' any more than I want to hear 'the whites' or 'the blacks.' Tell me about the ADL, or the New Black Panthers, or the KKK.
Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
Rather than the "jews" or the "blacks", problem is with "inclusion".
No matter how hard you try, minorities will never feel fully included. Leftist civic nationalism, globalism and multiculturalism can never work. So unless minorities are willing to accept culturocide (and ethnocide) by basically merging into majority and ceasing to exist, they will always have a higher proportion of leftists than the general populace.
So in order to have a functioning society, you need to have ethnic sequestration. Not necessarily ethnic nationalism, but rather, basically the way Romans (and medieval Hungarians) did things: each group (race, ethnicity, whatever) keeps to its own and has its own territory and government, and then these various essentially autonomous groups are included into larger whole.
Otherwise you get a mess.
TL;DR: Smaug for the President!
King Arts
Well-known member
This is either a hypocritical argument or a delusional one that does not understand how humans work. Humans are tribal and collective otherwise we would die one human is weaker than other species it has neither claws nor wings nor sharp teeth and strong muscles. But as a group the human is the master of nature. Thus we identify with our in group and we treat other individuals as representatives of their group. Libertarians won’t like it but Ben Shapiro represents Jews just like George Soros does. Just like Bibi is a representative.
Biden is a representative of America just as much as Bush or Trump is. Also Lords fire you are a representative of America if you go to foreign lands. If you go to Japan and make an ass of yourself the locals will think less of Americans and other American tourists will have it worse.
Wanting everyone to adhere to libertarian individualism and not group up is delusional.
On the hypocrisy level what about Muslims? The argument you are using now can be turned around “oh we shouldn’t look at what groups of Muslims or refugees do.” Not every refugee is a rapist we should look at each of them as individuals and not judge collectively. If you seriously follow what I just said I’d shake my head at the delusion but I’d respect your consistency. If however you don’t then I’d think you were making bad faith arguments.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
You're assuming humans must identify with a group on ethnic grounds, and that is simply not true.
I have more in common with an asian Christian or a jewish Christian than I do with a white satanist.
I have more in common with Dave Rubin as a fellow American than I do a 'christian' episcopalian hyper-feminist.
People are part of groups, yes. People identify with groups, yes.
But people can also choose which groups they primarily identify with, and whether that's groups based on things they have no control over, or things they do have control over.
To drive home my point, I have more in common with this pastor:
Than I do with most people on this forum.
You can choose to identify with people who happen to look like you all you want; I'll choose people who believe like me every time.
King Arts
Well-known member
Did I say you have to identify with race? Please don't put words in my mouth. I said people have to identify with something. Identification with race to me is dumb, because someone being born of the same ethnicity as you does not mean you can get along. Religion is a much better identifier.
But you yourself just said you identified with something that someone doesen't have control over. You gave said American. If you are born in the USA or not you have no control over that. So my question then becomes which do you prefer a traditional Catholic migrant from Mehico or a liberal American from San Fransicso. Many on the right will go without thinking and want to kick one out and protect the rights of the other.
South Africa Crickets U-19 team relieved their Jewish Team Captain of his position for reasons of "safety."
Keep in mind he'll still be playing and participating so technically not any personally safer... Just relieved of Captaincy so they hope to avoid protests.
Keep in mind he'll still be playing and participating so technically not any personally safer... Just relieved of Captaincy so they hope to avoid protests.
The Palestine Solidarity Alliance (PSA) filed a complaint with the South African Sports Confederation and Olympic Committee (SASCOC) in response to Teeger's remarks. While the youngster was cleared of any wrongdoing said:He did make comments at a Jewish organization stated he supported Israel though which probably traumatized people.
South Africa remove David Teeger as U19 captain days before World Cup over possible 'protests' on Gaza conflict
David Teeger, who was subjected to an inquiry over his comments in support of Israeli soldiers in the Gaza conflict, was removed as SA's U19 captain.www.hindustantimes.com