Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[Atarlost]

Pushing into Russia sounds like a great way to make a lot of people into smoldering, radioactive husks.

If that's going to happen it's going to happen just for Ukraine pushing back into fraudulently annexed Ukrainian territory. If Russia gets away with that they'll take another bite in a couple years and another after. Even after Putin dies he'll have proved it works and his successors won't stop.

But Russia won't launch because everyone in the nuclear chain of command would have to be suicidal fanatics and most of them are corrupt plutocrats. A nuclear exchange is not just an existential threat to Russia it's a certainty. Ukrainians marching into Moscow isn't an existential threat at all. Some mild reparations, maybe some scapegoats for warcrimes trials, and acknowledging Ukrainian sovereignty and its right as a sovereign nation to join whatever alliance it wants and Russia is still there. Ukraine doesn't want Russian land any more than the AHE wanted more Serbs and its allies wouldn't let it take any even if it wanted to.

 

[ATP]

Yep, Russia made a huge mistake in not simply taking the Donbass in February of this year, instead preferring to go all-out in an unsuccessful and expensive attempt to conquer all of Ukraine.

Especially,that Biden 19.2.22 told that small agression mean small sanctions - which mean no real sanctions.
Moscov could eat Ukraine in next 20-30 years that way.
But,they wanted everything.

P.S @Atarlost ,Putin and his clique must fight to the end,becouse if they do not conqer something their kgb friends would kill them.So,they still could fire their nukes - our hope is in other kgb dudes stopping them.

 

[ATP]

I can not tell you how much I appreciate every one of your posts. I wish I had the time and attention span to do what you do, but I'm glad someone is making more of an effort than me to point these things out. I ran out of fucks to give HL quite a while back and now just randomly shout at him.

Indeed,He look like best proffesional here.

Honestly, the only mistake you're making there is giving the iota of a fuck required to still yell at him instead of laughing. If you can laugh. I think HL's biggest crime is being dull. That type is bad enough on its own but when they're mendaciously boring it's infinitely worse.

However, I am not wise enough to stop wasting my life and as a sperg, I must establish my bona fides as Alpha Sperg. So it goes.

Good argument. @Chiron was funny with his soviet sources about evil spirits fighting for ukrainians,becouse all cowardly nazis arleady run for their lives.I hope,that he do not get killed by kgb.

On another topic - kgb do not care about how many of their soldiers die,so they still keep one or two hidden elite armies.
How good chances for that ?
Or for 200 hidden underground cities in which their elites survive war and repopulate world ?

@History Learner - good,that kgb do not killed you.Do not meet them alone.And write something about ukrainian evi spirits,please !

 

[Sailor.X]

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[Captain X]

Russians are taking a page out of the Nazi's book, I see.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

Russians are taking a page out of the Nazi's book, I see.

You mean the targeting of civilians in retribution for the Ukrainians hitting a legitimate military target and intentionally limiting casualties? At this point, I am getting rather tired of anyone supporting the Russians and at this point, there is no legitimate reason to support the Russians. They are invading a sovereign nation under false pretenses, in breach of treaty, have invaded other countries before using the same false pretenses, butcher innocent civilians, kidnap civilians, loot everything not nailed down, shoot defenseless animals for pure fun (as in shooting caged zoo animals)...

 

[paulobrito]

You mean the targeting of civilians in retribution for the Ukrainians hitting a legitimate military target and intentionally limiting casualties? At this point, I am getting rather tired of anyone supporting the Russians and at this point, there is no legitimate reason to support the Russians. They are invading a sovereign nation under false pretenses, in breach of treaty, have invaded other countries before using the same false pretenses, butcher innocent civilians, kidnap civilians, loot everything not nailed down, shoot defenseless animals for pure fun (as in shooting caged zoo animals)...

So, doing what the US and friends do for several decades already?
Funny how the double standard works.

 

[Captain X]

 

[Bacle]

So, doing what the US and friends do for several decades already?
Funny how the double standard works.

Ah yes, Vatnik 'whataboutism', the old standby for when they've been caught in their bullshit and want to deflect from the horrors the Kremlin is engaging in.

Edit: Putin is going to be remembered next to Hitler by history, and Putin's Russia will be remembered the same. Don't be too surprised if you and your Vatnik friends end up in front of the next Nuremberg Trials.

 

[paulobrito]

Oh, I forget - when the US and friends do a thing is no problem at all. When Russia (or China) do it, is a war crime.
I see that brainwashing works well with some people.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

So, doing what the US and friends do for several decades already?
Funny how the double standard works.

There is no double standard, you just claim one as you have no standards of your own. And really it isn't what the USA and its allies have been doing, anyone with half a brain or honest would know that.

When has the USA invaded a nation to take its land and subjugate its people in the last century? We all know Russia has done it plenty of times. To start the invasion of the nations freed by the treat of Brest-Litvosk (and Germany failing to make them puppets), their invasion of Poland in WW2, their Invasion of Finland during the Winter and Continuation Wars, their occupation of the Baltic states then, their invasion of Europe during WW2 (if they were liberating the lands, they'd allow the people to set up their own states) their invasion of Afghanistan, the Russian crackdown on separatist states wanting to exercise their own right to self-determination (odd how it is okay when Russia does something), Russian invasion of Moldavian territory, Russian invasion of Georgian territory, Russian invasion of Crimea and then other Ukrainian lands...and then invading Ukraine again.

Oh and wait, whenever supposedly free countries under Soviet influence wanted to even slightly control their own destiny? RUSSIAN INVASION! So don't give me that crap, under any reasonable standard I can condemn Russia and its actions. As much as I get upset at the USA's antics, at least they don't butcher civilians intentionally, they don't literally kidnap people*, they don't stage false referendums so they can pretend their unjustified actions are righteous.

And, as I was more or less saying. The USA and its allies haven't done this at all. As much as I oppose the interventionism of the USA, I can say that most of it is actually predicated on noble reasons. The Warmongers believe or pretend to believe that they are doing this to FREE the people that they invade, to spread a system (Western Democracy) that they deem good, and to stop terrorists and madmen from oppressing and murdering their own people here. There is no double standard, because Russia is being held to the same standard. One part of that standard is that, "Killing is badong". Another part is that countries should respect each other sovereignty and work together for mutual benefit. Also, I follow the Just War theory, so I can 100% condemn Russia, and I also condemn the USA's actions when they are not praiseworthy...but rather blameworthy.

Want me to say it, the USA was wrong for invading Iraq. It was wrong for interfering in Syria, and in Libya and that their fuckery in Iran is partially to blame for what happened to it. And the war in Afghanistan should have been a much more restrained operation, to go in, shoot up Al Qaeda and then leave. And we shouldn't have got involved in Kosovo. Happy?

*To resettle in their own country. The USA does literally kidnap people in other ways, which is also Badong.

 

[Captain X]

I'm not surprised that you're cheering on this Nazi-like strike against civilians - it's so you.

 

[TheRejectionist]

I will support the Russians since the other side is the one which pushed the vaxx that poisoned my mother, my friends and so many other good souls. Russia's government did more good than any potential harm to Italy and Brazil, and the first time it happened was of course under a pro-EU, pro-USA government of the bastard banker... not to mention that the USA favorite candidate is Lula, who has turned progressive, globalist and was the one who said that the pandemic was a blessing.
Thankfully, it seems that with the new potential government in Italy we are going back to be friendly commercial partners on the same level Hungary and Turkey are.
The EU with Von Der Leyen already threatened us before the elections, Ukraine's President told us to "make the right choice"... but I guess with vague promises to help Euro-American-Israeli backed Zelensky we are going to get the same deal as Hungary and Turkey.
Hopefully, those promises will not be kept towards Kiev.

My main concerns is we don't pay for the , while historically and ethically and morally justified, thirst of revenge the former Warsaw Pact countries has. If they want to fight Moscovians, they can be my guest and be the first to be sent to fight against them. I don't want working class Italian or Iberian working class good souls' blood to be spilled because they want the Ukraine to be a crossover between Vietnam, Afghanistan and Cuba.

My main concerns are these beyond heating and food on the table so that my mother can be healthy after chemo.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

I will support the Russians since the other side is the one which pushed the vaxx that poisoned my mother, my friends and so many other good souls. Russia's government did more good than any potential harm to Italy and Brazil, and the first time it happened was of course under a pro-EU, pro-USA government of the bastard banker... not to mention that the USA favorite candidate is Lula, who has turned progressive, globalist and was the one who said that the pandemic was a blessing.
Thankfully, it seems that with the new potential government in Italy we are going back to be friendly commercial partners on the same level Hungary and Turkey are.
The EU with Von Der Leyen already threatened us before the elections, Ukraine's President told us to "make the right choice"... but I guess with vague promises to help Euro-American-Israeli backed Zelensky we are going to get the same deal as Hungary and Turkey.
Hopefully, those promises will not be kept towards Kiev.

My main concerns is we don't pay for the thirst of revenge the former Warsaw Pact countries has. If they want to fight Moscovians, they can be my guest and be the first to be sent to fight against them. I don't want working class Italian or Iberian working class good souls' blood to be spilled because they want the Ukraine to be a crossover between Vietnam, Afghanistan and Cuba.

My main concerns are these beyond heating and food on the table so that my mother can be healthy after chemo.

No, the other side is the Ukrainians. If anything, I'd suspect the WEF, if anything, controls both sides. How wouldn't it be in their favour to run Russia and Ukraine against each other? To block off all those important resources?

And, the Ukrainians had much the same concerns before their nation was invaded, and so did the Georgians. Also, the Russian people did before Putin put them into a costly war. In the same situation you'd probably be feeling the same way that they are. And, so have people been in the same position as you. Saying the same thing. But we all know how that has ended, either they become the victim of the same monster, or cry out for the same help that they would deny others when their own monster comes for them.

edit: But, yeah, you are probably only at risk if the Russians don't get emboldened and decide to go after one of your actual allies. Though, what is the chance of that happening? And another thing to remember, is that unlike me or some of the other posters- you don't have a moat between the Russians and you.

 

[Agent23]

I'm not surprised that you're cheering on this Nazi-like strike against civilians - it's so you.

Nazi-like?
You mean like all the strikes that your pet UkroNazis conducted on civilian convoys and civilian infrastructure like the Kerch strait bridge, murdering innocent people?

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

Nazi-like?
You mean like all the strikes that your pet UkroNazis conducted on civilian convoys and civilian infrastructure like the Kerch strait bridge, murdering innocent people?

Bridges are legitimate targets, and it is clear that the Ukrainians timed the attack (if it wasn't some other party) for when there would be the least amount of people on it and for maximum damage. That is entirely different than intentionally targeting residences. Infrastructure is a legitimate target in a war. By your logic the Dambusters would be murderers.

 

[Megadeath]

Fuckwit.

 

[Agent23]

Bridges are legitimate targets, and it is clear that the Ukrainians timed the attack (if it wasn't some other party) for when there would be the least amount of people on it and for maximum damage. That is entirely different than intentionally targeting residences. Infrastructure is a legitimate target in a war. By your logic the Dambusters would be murderers.

All I see in your post is Ree, muh Ukraine! Coping and whataboutism, and conveniently forgetting that the UkroNazis have been bombing and shelling the hell out of DonBass civilians for 8 years now, and that Putin told them the Kerch bridge is a red line long ago.

Keep leaving in MSM and Twatter bullshit land.

 

[Megadeath]

All I see in your post is Ree, muh Ukraine! Coping and whataboutism, and conveniently forgetting that the UkroNazis have been bombing and shelling the hell out of DonBass civilians for 8 years now, and that Putin told them the Kerch bridge is a red line long ago.

Keep leaving in MSM and Twatter bullshit land.

Actually, they are going to great lengths to keep casualties down to a minimum, see what Ritter had to say about the entire situation.

Oh, how much raping, murdering and enslavement have the Russians done?

Ukraine still has power, internet, phone service, etc.

Scott Ritter, a person with actual military experience, explained that the Russians are going to great lengths to keep civilian losses and damage to civilian infrastructure to an absolute minimum.

A good poker player hides his best cards until they are needed, IMHO, Russia is doing that.

I doubt we will see the TOS-1, the Russians have tried to keep civilian and even regular Ukrainian military casualties to a minimum, something that shoots barrages of thermobaric, aka turn your lungs inside out even if you don't get blown up or smashed, type ordnance probably has quite the potential for collateral damage.

>Russians are limiting their strikes to military targets, allegedly the situation in Kiev is not all that tense.Electricity and internet is fine in most of Ukraine, Russia stays away from civilian infrastructure.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

All I see in your post is Ree, muh Ukraine! Coping and whataboutism, and conveniently forgetting that the UkroNazis have been bombing and shelling the hell out of DonBass civilians for 8 years now, and that Putin told them the Kerch bridge is a red line long ago.

Keep leaving in MSM and Twatter bullshit land.

You claim whataboutism, and then immediately engage in it. And I am pretty sure that you are just again projecting Russian crimes onto the Ukranians. And, Putin can talk about redlines all he wants, he is the one who invaded another nation unprovoked, butchered its citizens, abducted them, disturbed the fucking exclusion zone, took a nuclear plant hostage. His "redline" is just the talk of a bully who wants to strike at others, and does not want to be struck back. I say strike hard and strike fast against the Russians and drive them out of Ukraine.

It is living. And I don't give a fuck what the degenerates on s'witter or the talking heads in the MSM say. If anyone is living in a fantasy land it is you. And the only one is reeing is you, because you are shellacked harder than Justine is.