Agent23
Ни шагу назад!
Blah-blah, yadda-yadda, muh civilians killed by evil Muskov Russkies....
Sure, care to provide actual proof of that, or will this MSM-genereted PR "atrocity" be memory holed like the others.
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Sure, care to provide actual proof of that, or will this MSM-genereted PR "atrocity" be memory holed like the others.
Megadeath
Well-known member
Are you fucking stupid? Your earlier post is literally celebrating missile attacks on civilians in a city, now you're asking for proof Russians killed civilians?
Like Mega said, we literally have an example right here and you were cheering for it. You are really twisting yourself into pretzels here.
Agent23
Ни шагу назад!
Mega who?
In any case, you are cheering for genocidal UkroNazis that use a Coked up clown crossdresser as their facade, so I don't give a ret's ass about your so called moral judgement.
Batrix2070
RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
Fuck, get over yourself.
They're murdering people with rockets in the street hitting whatever they can and you act like nothing much has just happened.
But no, Ukronazi, ukronazi. And the fact that the Russians behave like a barbaric horde doesn't bother you.
Batrix2070
RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
Yes, and they have just shown that for them important strategic targets are literally anything that represents any value. Especially since in terms of accuracy they didn't show off.
It would have been better if they had just carried out a simple air strike.
Nordstream 2 is still somewhat functional. Sorry about that. Maybe you glowie fucks can come back for another round and try to finish the job?
The other guy you are talking with, how would you not catch a shorthand version of the handle of a person you are arguing with?*
The only genocidal ones are the Russians, you know the people who literally deny the Ukrainian people's right to exist and kidnap Ukrainian children so they can be raised residential school style. And, "UkroNazi", that is a laugh. Russia is literally taking pages out of Hitler's playbook, with his nibbling off parts of other countries and then going after bigger targets...until finally sticking his hand into a metaphorical bear trap. Though, I am sure the argument can be made that it is Stalin or Napoleon's playbook and not Hitler's. But none of those men should be aped.
Yes, I am sure some of them are. Unfortunately, the Russians keep on bombing playgrounds and apartment builds among other things, and those are not valid targets.
*It has been brought to my attention that you might have not seen that post, so if you didn't that perfectly explains it.
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Megadeath
Well-known member
Oh no, he's not arguing with me. I wasn't nice enough to him, and kept pointing out his stupidity, inconsistencies, and fallacies so he put me on ignore, along with half the rest of the forum.
Carrot of Truth
War is Peace
Ah it looks like the drama and lulz is still going strong. I haven't seen this kind of flame war in awhile.
One needs to remember that Putin was scares of COVID and has a vaccine of his own called Sputnik that iirc was mandated for anyone who would have to come into contact with him.
And one needs to also notice that two of the biggest leftist players in Europe, Macron and Scholz tried to stop putin through peace.
Nothing happend.
Ukraine is on the defensive. They did nothing wrong but just happen to be an ex Soviet country.
The whole "US SUPPORTD THEM SO THEY MUST BE BAD" is a horrible take. Because guess what.
Russia is committing genocide on children and jave raped then ad well.
They are exporting children from families in Ukraine to places in Russia.
These things are worse then anything the US did in any of its modern wars.
Yet the US is bad because if our horrible government?
I find it funny, that if Trump was in charge and this happend no one would be saying this and be all for it.
But since it is Biden it is America bad Russia good
And one needs to also notice that two of the biggest leftist players in Europe, Macron and Scholz tried to stop putin through peace.
Nothing happend.
Ukraine is on the defensive. They did nothing wrong but just happen to be an ex Soviet country.
The whole "US SUPPORTD THEM SO THEY MUST BE BAD" is a horrible take. Because guess what.
Russia is committing genocide on children and jave raped then ad well.
They are exporting children from families in Ukraine to places in Russia.
These things are worse then anything the US did in any of its modern wars.
Yet the US is bad because if our horrible government?
I find it funny, that if Trump was in charge and this happend no one would be saying this and be all for it.
But since it is Biden it is America bad Russia good
paulobrito
Well-known member
Only an American can call Macron a leftist...
He is though.
Like, he has always been a member of a left leaning party.
They were obviously military strikes Curtis.
It is just celebrating destruction of Ukrainian military things/s
Of all things, this? It's one thing to believe in conspiracy theories that may or may not have a grain of truth in them, but it's another to be just plain wrong while doing so, and base your whole geopolitical orientation on that.
Russia's Unprecedented Mandatory Vaccination Push Divides Society - The Moscow Times
On the morning of June 16, employees at Moscow coffee-shop chain Skuratov were told they’d have to get vaccines against the coronavirus if they wanted to keep their jobs. “We got a message from our management that we’ll need to schedule our appointment,” said Masha Zubrilina, a...
www.themoscowtimes.com
Fine, leave the EU and NATO then, guess how will that work out for your economy. 20 years later you would have such an economic mess that you would rather never buy a single canister of gas from Russia ever than have this.
paulobrito
Well-known member
From your point of view, any European gov must be leftist... Showing how different our perspectives are.
The swedeish just elected a right wingers as has Italy.
Let's see, he is a doormat to the greens, he is a doormat to diversity, he is a doormat to illegal immigrants, he is a dove to Putin, he is a vocal eurofederalist, what's not leftist about him? That he doesn't go full socialist on the economy? Guess that's one thing.
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Tiamat
I've seen the future...
Friendly reminder if you’re being sarcastic you want to note that. Doesn’t always translate well in the forum threads.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
1. The US goes into Afghanistan. It supports the rivals to the Afghanistan, pumps money into building infrastructure and education, tries to train up the local military to resist the Taliban once they're gone. They fail miserably at dealing with corruption and it all falls apart, but during the US presence in Afghanistan, quality of life improved. Education, access to health care, utilities, etc.
2. The US invades Iraq. It destroys Saddam's brutal dictatorship, and tries to set up a democratic government to replace it. This fails miserably and the country basically collapses into anarchy once the US pulls out, rise of ISIS and all, but while the US was still present there, the standard of living rose, much in the same way it did in Afghanistan.
In both cases, the US never intended to annex territory, wanted to get out as soon as reasonably possible, and it was only once it left that everything went to shit. Many reasonable criticisms can be laid at how things there were handled, including some collateral damage taken during the ini but any honest look at the situation will say that things were better while the US was there.
Russia, on the other hand, starts bombing cities indiscriminantly from the start, and later moves on to deliberately targeting civilians with its missile strikes. The areas they occupy tell many tales of war crimes, mass graves are found, children are abducted, people are tortured, etc, etc.
It's explicitly a war of territorial conquest, Russia has formally declared it's annexing parts of Ukraine, they claim that Ukraine isn't a real nation in the first place, they openly state intentions to slaughter the entire government because they're all supposedly nazis...
Yes, these things are definitly the same as each other. This is totally a double standard, not a false equivalency.
Or, shall we look at what happened to North vs South Korea over the last 70 years?
The communists started a war, trying to invade and conquer South Korea. The US and allies go in to protect South Korea, and a very bloody war is fought over several years, ultimately ending with a heavily-fortified border and a cease-fire, but no formal peace treaty or normalization of relations.
North Korea, the Soviet proxy state, is infamous as one of the most brutal and contemptible regimes in existence. Almost the definition of a failed state, with large swathes of the country constantly on the verge of starvation, it would arguably have imploded already if it weren't for humanitarian food aid.
South Korea, the American ally/protectorate, one of the most prosperous nations in the world, with a democratic (if really weird ) government, a peer or leader in advanced technology and industry. It has its share of corruption issues, but although there has been a continuous garrison of US forces in there for almost a third of the USA's existence, it still somehow manages to be the polar opposite of what became of various Russian/Soviet client states.
Funny, the difference in what happens to nations the US moves its military into, compared to those that the Russians move their military into.