Election 2020 Beto O'Rourke says churches should be taxed if they refuse to support gay marriage

[CarlManvers2019]

Not much you can do about that one however. At the end of the day you can't force a church to change it's religious dogma unless it feels like doing so. In their position I'd just settle for making civil marriage have the same legal and tax status as religious marriage and be done with it because that's about all the government has the ability to do.

It's not the government's job to butt heads with various churches about religious matters beyond obvious extremes like human sacrifice or the like.

I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure your American Government, especially the Left aligned part, does NOT like public defiance

They feel they need to show this power and look like they're doing something.

Making Churches be pro-Gay Marriage is less of a task compared to fighting China economically

 

[Big Steve]

Not much you can do about that one however. At the end of the day you can't force a church to change it's religious dogma unless it feels like doing so. In their position I'd just settle for making civil marriage have the same legal and tax status as religious marriage and be done with it because that's about all the government has the ability to do.

It's not the government's job to butt heads with various churches about religious matters beyond obvious extremes like human sacrifice or the like.

He's not talking about forcing churches to do jack. He's only defending gay couples being allowed to say "we're married" and to have the same rights to marry as straight couples.

Beto's idiocy aside, you can have gay marriage without forcing churches to do anything.

 

[Isem]

I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure your American Government, especially the Left aligned part, does NOT like public defiance

I'm not an American, although yes, governments tend not to like certain sections of the population not doing what they tell them to do.

He's not talking about forcing churches to do jack. He's only defending gay couples being allowed to say "we're married" and to have the same rights to marry as straight couples.

Beto's idiocy aside, you can have gay marriage without forcing churches to do anything.

I mean that's perfectly fine, I'm responding to the idea that you can't just solve the problem administratively and be done with it. As far as anything physical is concerned then sure they can say they're married and for all normal purposes it'll be true. Now if you include church recognition in the "saying we're married" part that's when you're out of luck.

 

[Scottty]

Making Churches be pro-Gay Marriage is less of a task compared to fighting China economically

Any US government that starts openly persecuting Christianity would have alienated about half the population, right there. And that would include the military people.

As for fighting China, or anything else.... Putin and Xi would love it if the USA were to implode into flat-out civil war over something like gay marriage.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Any US government that starts openly persecuting Christianity would have alienated about half the population, right there. And that would include the military people.

Aren’t they already sorta attacking Christianity or have problems with it unless you align with the politics of highly pro-Islam Pope Francis?

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

Aren’t they already sorta attacking Christianity or have problems with it unless you align with the politics of highly pro-Islam Pope Francis?

Pope Francis is a fool. The opinion of the palpacy can and should be discarded until he's replaced with a saner pope.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Pope Francis is a fool. The opinion of the palpacy can and should be discarded until he's replaced with a saner pope.

Pope's stepping down is VERY rare, I'm pretty sure this "Stupid Good" Pope will be around and affecting the world for decades.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

Pope's stepping down is VERY rare, I'm pretty sure this "Stupid Good" Pope will be around and affecting the world for decades.

Unfortunately, but a much saner pope and his council already declared that the pope is, in fact, NOT infallible. So discard everything Francis says in regards to "refugees", climate change, and general pro-leftwing matters.

EDIT: I do believe the only reason Francis didn't approve of abortion and condoms is because he knows the catholic church would tar and feather him for it.

 

[Porkchopper]

Eh if Beeto were to enforce this over every Church Mosque and Synagog then that would be fair. Still extremely stupid and self destructive but fair. I doubt that would happen thou.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Eh if Beeto were to enforce this over every Church Mosque and Synagog then that would be fair. Still extremely stupid and self destructive but fair. I doubt that would happen thou.

He’ll bow down for the Mosque

But will look like a Nazi for doing it to the Synagogue

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

Eh if Beeto were to enforce this over every Church Mosque and Synagog then that would be fair. Still extremely stupid and self destructive but fair. I doubt that would happen thou.

Please, he will only attack churches and synagogues because he knows some imam will call a bounty on his head if he tries anything with mosques. He's a coward, a bully who goes after victims who can't or won't fight back as hard as possible.

 

[Christi]

yes, BUT.

There's video of Chuck Schumer calling for "border barriers" the year before Trump started campaigning.

Trump, with similar/same views as he has today was a registered Dem a decade ago.

I know this was a page ago but there is video of President Obama doing the same.
Democratic Congresspeople were happy to vote for fencing along the border. Mexico has a border fencing in places (part of it was damaged by a migrate caravan).

Any US government that starts openly persecuting Christianity would have alienated about half the population, right there. And that would include the military people.

As for fighting China, or anything else.... Putin and Xi would love it if the USA were to implode into flat-out civil war over something like gay marriage.

It isn’t going to happen. The military, cops, gun owners and a significant part of the population would be against fighting one for that.
This is Beto giving voice to the 8 percent of progressives who make up the party and sinking everyone on Democratic side chances as he goes down in flames. Maybe he wants a book deal or needs the fame/love he got. When reporters were lovingly describing his sweat as he spoke at a rally. Maybe he’s just that spiteful or dumb.

All Trump has to do in the general election is play Beto saying, “Hell yeah we are going to take your guns.” And “Churches should be taxed for not supporting gay marriage.” To thunderous applause from Democratic voters in the audience.
Then Trump gets the Midwest, the Bible Belt, the South and most of the West.
Then play ads with Warren supporting the GND and most of the country follows.
Right now Trump is shooting himself in the foot but the Dems.
The Democratic Party is actively murdering itself.
By the way, he’s done in Texas. After the gun grabbing crap. Maybe he could have held onto his district but after the church comments he is fucked.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Please, he will only attack churches and synagogues because he knows some imam will call a bounty on his head if he tries anything with mosques. He's a coward, a bully who goes after victims who can't or won't fight back as hard as possible.

A bounty on his head? I think he’d be more afraid of being called a White Supremacist

I think by now people think of Jews as mostly being white anyway.....they look to only care about Jews during WWII, not them or their descendents afterwards

This is Beto giving voice to the 8 percent of progressives

8% can look like a larger percentage if you look at things more selectively or on specific internert echochambers

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

A bounty on his head? I think he’d be more afraid of being called a White Supremacist

A fatwa is pretty much a bounty issued by an imam.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

A fatwa is pretty much a bounty issued by an imam.

Not that stuff ever happens today(sarcasm)

Besides he’s more scared of all those bible loving southern republican KKK hicks who are definitely a huge percentage in the USA and are crucifying nonwhites and nonchristians daily and stuff

 

[UltimatePaladin]

A fatwa is pretty much a bounty issued by an imam.

Somewhat misleading...

I'd prefer if someone with more knowledge about the topic comes on, but from a quick look online, a Fatwa is essentially a (non-binding) religious ruling on a certain situation. Strictly speaking, it's meant to be used if there isn't a clear religious answer to a problem, or to determine if there is religious justification for an answer. It could be to call for the death of an individual (Jerry Falwell.) It could also be something less violent, like if you're in space, how do you observe religious rites?

I mean, yeah, I guess it could be a bounty (in the sense that the writer wants the reader to kill this person), but it depends on what exactly it's talking about.

But yeah. Beto extending the statement to Mosques would probably get some Mufti (the people who actually write Fatwas,) in the world angry enough to write one up.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

But yeah. Beto extending the statement to Mosques would probably get some Mufti (the people who actually write Fatwas,) in the world angry enough to write one up.

And surprisingly, most of the non-Islamic West won’t even know that one was even made when it’s not even kept a secret

 

[ReeeFallin]

My hot take is that churches should be stripped of tax exempt status regardless of their positions on anything at all.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

My hot take is that churches should be stripped of tax exempt status regardless of their positions on anything at all.

Same for Synagogues and Mosques? What about Charities?

 

[ReeeFallin]

Same for Synagogues and Mosques? What about Charities?

Sorry did you think that 'church' was somehow just narrowly defined as christian institutions?

Let me clarify: religious tax exempt status should not exist.