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bintananth

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People were still blaming things on Dubya in Obama's 2nd term.
People are still saying that Obama wasn't a "real American" because his dad wasn't born in the US.

He and Dubya are 10th cousins once removed and direct descendants of some bastard guy named William who was born in Normandy roughly 1,000 years ago and the great-up-whatever grandfather of Queen Elizabeth II.
 

Bear Ribs

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People are still saying that Obama wasn't a "real American" because his dad wasn't born in the US.

He and Dubya are 10th cousins once removed and direct descendants of some bastard guy named William who was born in Normandy roughly 1,000 years ago and the great-up-whatever grandfather of Queen Elizabeth II.
Dude, after 1000 years all humans from the same continent (and a fair chance across continents assuming any travel whatsoever) will share an ancestor, that's how lineages work. Over 1000 years you can count on having roughly 50 generations which means 1.02 trillion ancestors. Needless to say, since that's vastly more than the entire population that has ever lived it effectively guarantees consanguinity. You actually only have to go back about 600 years to find a common ancestor for all living Europeans.
 

bintananth

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Dude, after 1000 years all humans from the same continent (and a fair chance across continents assuming any travel whatsoever) will share an ancestor, that's how lineages work. Over 1000 years you can count on having roughly 50 generations which means 1.02 trillion ancestors. Needless to say, since that's vastly more than the entire population that has ever lived it effectively guarantees consanguinity. You actually only have to go back about 600 years to find a common ancestor for all living Europeans.
I have absoulely zero traceable European ancestry. One of my brothers-in-law is a 2nd cousin once removed and about as mixed-race as someone can be. His surname is actually older than Jesus Christ.
 

BlackDragon98

Freikorps Kommandant
Banned - Politics
I honestly think were in the slow burn phase of things, before the current establishment loses and loses hard. They have simply put had too many major fuck ups right in a row.
Nazi Germany had several fuckups in a row (Battle of Britain, OP Barbarossa, North African campaign, Stalingrad), but it didn't collapse until the Allies literally battled their way to Berlin.

I think you underestimate the survivability of evil.
 

sillygoose

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Nazi Germany had several fuckups in a row (Battle of Britain, OP Barbarossa, North African campaign, Stalingrad), but it didn't collapse until the Allies literally battled their way to Berlin.

I think you underestimate the survivability of evil.
Most of those 'fuck ups' were still mostly victories. Other than Stalingrad, which still ended up with a successful counterattack victory.
 

BlackDragon98

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Most of those 'fuck ups' were still mostly victories. Other than Stalingrad, which still ended up with a successful counterattack victory.
BoB caused unsustainable losses in aircrew.

Barbarossa started the beginning of the end for the Germans, a blackhole that kept sucking in more of their manpower and military strength.

North African ended in utter disaster at Tunis and directly led to the collapse of Italy, opening another front and losing the entire Med.

Stalingrad, I think is obvious.
 

sillygoose

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BoB caused unsustainable losses in aircrew.
Yet the Luftwaffe was capable of fighting on for 5 more years. Meanwhile they inflicted pretty massive damage to the RAF too, larger proportional damage relative to their starting strength, as well as the 55,000 civilian casualties.
From wikipedia, British on the left, German on the right.

Casualties and losses
Strength
1,963 aircraft[nb 3]2,550 aircraft[nb 4][nb 5]
1,542 killed[9]
422 wounded[10]
1,744 aircraft destroyed[nb 6]
2,585 killed
735 wounded
925 captured[12]
1,977 aircraft destroyed[13]
23,002 civilians killed
32,138 civilians wounded[14]

It failed to knock Britain out of the war, but put them on the back foot. Hard to call that a fuck up given the damage inflicted.

Barbarossa started the beginning of the end for the Germans, a blackhole that kept sucking in more of their manpower and military strength.
Barbarossa didn't have to cause Germany to lose, even if it failed in 1941. Still, the entire pre-war Soviet army was destroyed, millions of PoWs taken, over 40% of the Soviet economy destroyed or captured, and tens of millions of Soviet citizens captured, not to mention several states freed and their manpower made available to help Germany, plus of course resources which were vital to the war effort were captured and denied to the Soviets. Were it not for L-L the USSR would have economically collapsed as a result. The failure to take Moscow was significant, but paled in comparison to the massive gains. No one at the end of 1941 thought Germany was destined to lose at that point.

North African ended in utter disaster at Tunis and directly led to the collapse of Italy, opening another front and losing the entire Med.
In 1943. By that point the unconditional surrender demand meant that the Axis had to fight to the bitter end.
Until that point though the Axis inflicted disproportionate losses on the British and had scored pretty massive victories in the theater. Maybe if not for the Allied demand for unconditional surrender the war could have ended years earlier, but the broad scope of the entire campaign tied down the Allies for years for a fraction of German strength and inflicted pretty severe damage to the Allies.

Stalingrad, I think is obvious.
Of course, but losing a single German army was not nearly the disaster Barbarossa was for the Soviets. Yet they kept trucking too. Turns out losing armies is survivable in the context of a brutal world war in which the enemy refuses to negotiate to end the war.
 

bintananth

behind a desk
BoB caused unsustainable losses in aircrew.

Barbarossa started the beginning of the end for the Germans, a blackhole that kept sucking in more of their manpower and military strength.

North African ended in utter disaster at Tunis and directly led to the collapse of Italy, opening another front and losing the entire Med.

Stalingrad, I think is obvious.
During the BoB the British were actually building Spitfires faster he Germans were building Bf109E's and they weren't fucking around at all because the Hurricanes and lesser fighters were tasked with shooting down the bombers while the Spitfires dealt with the Bf109E's.
 

sillygoose

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During the BoB the British were actually building Spitfires faster he Germans were building Bf109E's and they weren't fucking around at all because the Hurricanes and lesser fighters were tasked with shooting down the bombers while the Spitfires dealt with the Bf109E's.
All those US machine tools were a big help and the Germans had to focus on bombers while the Brits could focus on fighters. Still not sure why the Germans didn't bomb the Spitfire factory harder and sooner despite knowing where is was in Southampton.
 

strunkenwhite

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I have some opinions here but I think the question of whether Nazi Germany "lost" the Battle of Britain or anything else is pretty firmly off topic.
 

bintananth

behind a desk
Still not sure why the Germans didn't bomb the Spitfire factory harder and sooner despite knowing where is was in Southampton.
They were either dumb or the Luftwaffe leadership writing the orders knew that they couldn't successfully breach the British air defences and were just trying to minimize the casualties while keeping the Nazi leadership from executing them.
 

sillygoose

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They were either dumb or the Luftwaffe leadership writing the orders knew that they couldn't successfully breach the British air defences and were just trying to minimize the casualties while keeping the Nazi leadership from executing them.
You have a quite flawed understanding of how Germany worked in WW2.
 

Sobek

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Hmmm I wonder what the senile old man is up to...

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